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Brute4291
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| How big of a problem is it? |
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psykl0n
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I would guess it's a big problem. Would you want to smoke moldy buds? |
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Joe
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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I think you'd be hard pressed to find any outdoor grower, almost (almost) anywhere, anytime, who would state they have a greater concern.....
Rainfall, humidity, density and size, boom, your a candidate...and, the speed at which it destroys and spreads leaves many in amazement and despair....(Can go from onset to complete loss within day or two in certain cases....)
Several preventative measures and remedies..(Milk,Baking Soda,commercial products, etc....) Recent Thread SB prefers and pushes Greencure.
Lot of factors come into play, as also does season....(each and every season in most places varies from season to season...temps, humidity, winds,strains, conditions of spots....ie: forest spots vs. open spots.......some seasons might have heavy rainfall later in season, some a little, some get away with none.....) |
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smokeablunt420
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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does it happen more while the plant is still growing? or after you harvest?
if i see it on one of my plants what do i do? just cut it off? and how do i know if its mold?
ive got alot of questions!  |
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Joe
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| smokeablunt420 wrote: | does it happen more while the plant is still growing? or after you harvest?
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From mid/late flower on through cure.....(some who bag/jar before dry can also get mold issues...)
Lot of issues, as above....from area, region, rainfall, density, humidity, etc...so....
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if i see it on one of my plants what do i do? just cut it off? and how do i know if its mold?
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You'll know...It will be one of the most horrifying things you will see as an outdoor grower......and quite obvious....(or not.....as sometimes, as above or elsewhere, you have to look inside each individual buds on larger tops.....)
You know, plant itself can also help.....topping can help a little because you are then away from colas like your leg into many smaller ones, but, again, density still an issue, but, less size and mass, slightly less of an issue (and slightly less is sometimes just enough to get by without it...)
Can do preventative measures as above which are fairly sound, and, also should be monitoring weather (always keep an eye on your 2 week forecasts, checked daily throughout........even veg...(might have storms, wind issues, rainfall issues, which, again aren't cut and dry depending on what your doing (Location, no maintenance through full, etc....ie: Guerilla or backyard, etc.....some Guerilla ops might not allow continual access, so, have to plan accordingly...etc...)
Basics though are size and density, which is why with treatments you want to get in before they have become too dense...ie: The chosen treatment has trouble penetrating...
As with many factors.....as above...lot of different aspects to it....(and you have to be aware of all of them....) Lot of deeper forest spots will always have higher humidity issues in most places.....
Also as above, season plays a role.....same location harvest time can be cooler, low humidity, can be hotter with monsoon rains, can not have a storm in 4 weeks and decent temps and fair humidity.....(should be keeping an eye on weather later in season for temps if in a region where your just getting by as far as temps...(frosts, 40's and such.....)
Should always be keeping a firm eye on weather, and, as above...twice daily...ie: Summer systems form and of course dissipate on a moments notice......sometimes you might look in the morning at a 2 week and see next 4 days of rain....look late night, same day, might see forecast changed to 3 days of rain...day later might rain and predict sunny skies for next 2 weeks....
Always keep an eye on it... |
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Joe
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| smokeablunt420 wrote: | does it happen more while the plant is still growing?
or after you harvest?
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Additional notes:
Both represent a different set of issues in themselves.....ie: Could be fine when cut and have issues develop due to drying conditions.
From mid flower through dry (or cure if improper dry), focus changes over....
Drying a whole different set of issues....spacing, circulation, temps, etc....
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if i see it on one of my plants what do i do? just cut it off? and how do i know if its mold?
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Clarification on the above of something quite a few people miss:
1. Most will handle and cut with same gloves and blade......all your doing is spreading it.....
2. As elsewhere, one should inspect the inside of denser top's before bagging! (or, once again, one has mixed questionable with clean)...ie: Might very well look fine on outside, and inside could very well be packed with white cotton (mold)...which is exactly what it looks like....
3. If cutting, try to target base of whatever your cutting to avoid the contamination of hands and blades as above...
4. Lot of debate regarding what can be done with it...some state how ISO/BHO and such will kill the mold, but the issue is, while it may, the toxins from the mold remain...
Can do bubble runs, which carries with it a slightly different process (siphoning and rinsing final product)
Also overlooked by those with a questionable set of ethics and quality, is that it is possible for someone to have a fatal allergic reaction....
Either watch handling, bag separate and process properly, or just get rid of it....all it's going to do is pass toxins onto others, contaminate the clean, or be a testament to your skills (good or bad)....
Key is above though....people have to remember...once touched, it's on gloves and blades and everything else it comes in contact with (accordingly, should not be dried in same place as clean product.....can (and should) also be dried asap...(drying will cease it continuing....so, ISO,BHO,bubble can dry asap.....) |
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Brute4291
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| So if i have a plant in a pot and bring it inside a house when it rains will that help prevent mold? |
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smokeablunt420
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| ^ id say that would probably help. |
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My concern with bringing in would be what has it been doing until that point...ie: Has it been forced and was it/they brought in daily......would it be disrupting flowering......light cycle, etc....
Temps, humidity, and rain and such isn't necessarily a guarantee.....conditions have to be right, etc....and, I can tell you 100%, circulation plays a huge, huge role......ie: You can have something subjected to temps and humidity but if serious circulation and air movement might be fine.....(I know this to be an undisputed fact....I have had experience with many identical things, in many different locations and conditions, on many, many occasions.......
You could also go with preventative measures above.....most of which are sworn by some, so......
I'd just be concerned (if it was me) of disrupting light cycle....(which it might, or might not, but, such matters by the time you find out....well, it's already a established problem......but, if only occasionally?.....might very well not be.....ie: Most spend too much time and energy to want to experiment on a batch coming down soon...you know?....
Might be fine....100%....can't say for certain though (don't think anyone can because unaware of all specifics involved......) |
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Brute4291
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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How fragile is the light cycle?
From what I've read it sounds like flowering is a fragile time any extra light can stop the flowering and put in back veg growth. correct?
But how would a little less light effect the plant in flowering. Lets say instead of the normal 12/12 one day you have a 11 light and 13 dark hours. Would this stress the plant? |
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Joe
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| Brute4291 wrote: | How fragile is the light cycle?
From what I've read it sounds like flowering is a fragile time any extra light can stop the flowering and put in back veg growth. correct?
But how would a little less light effect the plant in flowering. Lets say instead of the normal 12/12 one day you have a 11 light and 13 dark hours. Would this stress the plant? |
Well, see, that's kinda of my point on such issues....You really don't know...(unless of course working something you have many times before, know it's reactions and behavior, etc....)
Some things extremely sensitive, some things rock solid (applies across the board also...to every aspect......some light feeders, some heavy, some easy to clone, some not....some things can take everything you throw at it and come out fine...others the slightest issues and your looking at a problem....
Good example on the above: Some people who do/have done urban.....concerned about streetlights, headlights, etc.......which could be considered a bona fide disruption.....but, I've done urban and had things exposed to such issues, and, never a problem really..(Not to mention, people overlook moonlight and such....which on a nice clear night and a fairly full moon, can be significant..(Can be the difference between pitch black and enough light to see what your doing, where your going, an work in, etc.....)
If running unknown (strain), your pretty much left to touch and go, but, if running something readily available, always a good idea to hit boards and find cases of people who have run the same things in then same region (roughly) to give you an idea what your working with.....Can find lot of commentary on the above....feeding habits, stability, vigor, etc....(everything that someone can/does offers....some more than others, but, always gives you a good overview what your working with..)
Then another good example could be frosts and lower temps....(along the same lines...)....ie: In itself not necessarily going to create a problem (ie: more important is what is the extended an the overview...if a single day.....or a couple days of near lows.....but mixed in with otherwise reasonable weather?...Not going to be a deadly serious issue.....)
I mean, as above....you don't necessarily expect it, nor is it guaranteed.....but, being aware it's possible and keeping an eye on weather best thing you can do....
I mean....if i's good where it is?.....you want minimal disruption, so, could go with preventative measures....(which should help and control....) Also.....strain dependent...ie: running a rock solid dense indica vs. something a little looser, etc......size and density is a significant factor....
(Note: Alternative could be to keep outside but move to covered area (outside) instead of in......
I guess I'd focus on preventative measures before I would move it.....
Another note: Thread referenced above, aspirin is referenced......please, please...ignore....don't use aspirin 
Such is the problem when one starts moving things (keeping to light cycle consistently.......a day?....a single day?....probably fine and no problem....but, if you start moving several times, multiple days, busy and missing out time or in time?.....As you see.......we know things happen...(life .....If it's fine where it is, I'd keep an eye on it, maybe hit with a treatment at appropriate times, and, you should be good to go.....(Note: Should always have a recipe and be able to mix up a batch if doing outdoors.....or commercial product on hand, etc.....
Upside to a lot of supplies are, of course, if nor used, can be kept onhand for following season, etc....(everything has a shelf life, of course....but, most things keep fairly well aside from liquid organic nutes.....
Lot of things and issues I try to aim at the overview, as each situation, individual, set up, strains, carry nuances that only you are aware of....so, only you know the specifics and in the end make the call, ya know?....
But, the above, if was me/my situation....I'd look first to moving them to covered spot (outside) as compared to in, and start thinking about preventative....and, your covered.... |
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Brute4291
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice.
Its a lot more complicated than i thought. |
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Joe
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| Brute4291 wrote: | Thanks for the advice.
Its a lot more complicated than i thought. |
Nah...don't make it so.....
Merely be aware of overview and apply to your specific situation...
Mold is temps, humidity, circulation, size and density.....but you can control many of those things various ways and also add prevention.
Sometimes have to "get the hang" of the overview, but, after such, your good to go and prepared for any and every situation and variation.....
Also applicable for outdoors is variations of season........season can turn any way (bad or good) for many areas......storm at right (wrong) time, or lack of any, etc...
Each and every season different (in some areas never a change  , but, anyone with rainfall.....frosts...always a variation.......can be good, or can be bad........)
Most important thing is to get the overview...and, as above, be aware and apply to your own situation...
After overview, you continue to build on that.....always a process.....and, each and very run....you build on previous, etc.... |
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