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unuyh
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 28 Jul 2008
Posts: 51

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject:

orale dude, thanks for the feed back on the baking soda tech, but like i said i know people have tried it and succeeded so i think it might work,i have also heard about people doing the same baking soda tech (which i think you misunderstood,you dont stabb it all the way through the process just the first couple to compress it then only wrapp it in serram wrap a few more and then add the baking soda and serram wrap dont forget to be tapping it...any way, i have to show you personally or i dont know how to explain) and at the end when completely wraped they have another layer,but instead they have oil, i mean they put the oil on the serram wrap and wrap the bud over it so the oil is on the inside of the serram wrap so when you roll it its on the inside and add like 6 layers of those to make it blend in with the car smell .....you think it is possible to have it blend in with the way the car smells you know metal and gasoline and oil, mostly oil.... i have also heard of a stash in a certain kind of car i think it was a chrysler it was in the motor, and they told me like 30 keys fit in there, its somewhere in the motor, a part that you can open and they take a certain part out its not that necessary and fill it up with bud and then close it up again, they told that this stash or clavo works because it gets hot, since its the motor, so the dog doesnt even try to get close to it because it dont wanna get burned so the stash is safe...you think that would work? it makes sense since the dog has to put his nose on the object its smelling to give a cue that it found something, but if its hot i dont think itll even bother with that he'll just ignore it, the dog probably thinks i dont think getting hurt is worth playng for like a second...some feed bak man

unuyh
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 28 Jul 2008
Posts: 51

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject:

ALSO i dont think your Barry friend is trustworthy,...the one with the videos...tss i dont trust him, i dont trust no cop or ex cop for that matter,common you going to trust a cop to tell you what works to stash your bud and what doesnt as far im concerned he probably still a cop and is undercover to throw people off,telling them a good idea dont work so people dont try it....it dont make sense, its like a video that shows people how to trick the law...the law dont want you to trick them a video like that would be illegal, but if its part of an operation to throw people off the law would allow it, alot of things about that guy are off, i dont trust him, just a thought though Confused

socrateez
Stoned Philosopher

Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 1225
Location: I'm the person to your right.

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject:

unuyh wrote:

Go to www.instructables.com and you can find instructions for just about any illegal device or activity. Not illegal to discuss illegal things as long as you are not conspiring to commit a crime. It's not illegal to learn what the cops learn either.
Ignorance is oppressions greatest tool.
Hightimes and Cannabis Culture checked Barry out and endorse his "cred".
Check out this video of him and Marc Emery Ripping Marcs giant Bong. big grin

Google around about the dude and what he does.

I understand about the holes now thanks. I think the shear number of layers is what your barrier is. The baking soda and oil may slow the process further.
Time and distance is what you have to factor. How long would it have to sit before a dog Could smell it? You stated you have known several people to have mixed success/failure doing this. Could you give us some times on how long the product had been packaged?
Also, if your hands or work surface are contaminated at all, you will provide the contamination on the outside. Barry states this is very common type of cross contamination that dogs hit on.
How are the outside of the packages decontaminated?

unuyh
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 28 Jul 2008
Posts: 51

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject:

the packages usually leave as soon they are "cured" or stashed in the car and then leave all in all i think its some 6 hours before the first dog tries to sniff it out and the out side well i dont think the out side is wiped i think that if you are careful about the environment you doing this in a clean room virgin to the smell and smoke of marijuana and with gloves on i dont think theres no need to wipe it down...righ?or if you do it in 2 different clean rooms, you know cause the bud is originally open so it leaves odor particles floating around even after you are done, the bud is cured, but the floating particles can stick to the finished product, cure it once and when you are done take it to the next room and wrapp it again skip the shanking part and just start with the baking soda again, i mean the finished package wrapped in baking soda again a couple of those layers and then the oil layers that should be it wouldnt it? , but i think alcohol would work or acetone, so you think wrapping it in oil will work to throw the dog off? some feed back man

also i still dont trust no cop i'll listen some and take into account his ideas and stuff but no, no trust

socrateez
Stoned Philosopher

Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 1225
Location: I'm the person to your right.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:05 am Post subject:

I don't know if this used by anyone or not but...It could be compressed by using a vertical Automotive Bearing Press with a box form. Then no need to stab and wrap and much better compression results. (5 tons hydraulic)Here's a pic of one.

Your right about particles floating around and landing on the finished product. Some have suggested additional step of alcohol or other solvent to clean the outside. Also I would suspect that using a different pair of gloves each time would be necessary.
I'm going to look further into the gut stashes and permeability. I'll see if anyone has been sniffed this way.

unuyh
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 28 Jul 2008
Posts: 51

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject:

wow that thing looks expensive.....ill stick to run it over with a car tech, also i heard of this new spray called wee cleaner it supposed to completely eliminate odors so your animal dont wee in the same spot again, something about it having enzymes to eliminate the odor particles or something, i also thought about maybe hurting the dogs nose.....fuk it....i heard dogs dislike the smell of white vinegar ,solvents, mustard too, i guess its too strong maybe if wraped the bud and surrounded it with the smell of vinegar in a closed box so that the officer wont smell it but if there is any leak the dog will get that vinegar smell and just stop smelling that i think vinegar will over power bud,
oh yea about compressing the bud you dont wanna get carried away, too much compression and youll squeze the thc right out of that

socrateez
Stoned Philosopher

Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 1225
Location: I'm the person to your right.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject:

Those arent expensive and most Auto Parts Retailers carry them. Harbour Freight would have them the cheapest.
Also, things like pepper or other irritants will cause the dog to make a specific reaction that K9 Handlers are trained to notice.

unuyh
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 28 Jul 2008
Posts: 51

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:42 pm Post subject:

that damn nose!!!!!!! Mad

farmboy
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 20 Jun 2008
Posts: 25

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject:

great converstations here... i see the logic in the multiple layers technique but as far as punching holes in it... errr... i see what you're trying to do, punching holes will allow greater compression of the product until you're ready to completely wrap it up with multiple layers. This is a typical type of packaging and works so so. like you said though, a few hours is all you really have with this method.

anyways updates on what i've been up to in my abscence.

I have two labs and two aggressive dobermans who love smelly fish (closest i can get to a crazed narcotic k9). I've been packing the fish with different methods i've pulled of the net and some concotions of my own. let me tell you packaging old fish thats been out in the sun all day is not easy! stuff smells bad which is why I chose it! ok so i packaged the fish in PVC pipes wiped it down ceram wrapped it cleaned it showered myself down scrubbed the whole nine yards... went out to the country where i figured there would be no contaminating scent in the air and laid it out in the open. went back home and next day took my dogs out there. I picked it up myself first sniffed it and was delighted to smell nothing. confident, i tossed it in the back of the truck with the dogs... damn things were on it like maggots on shit trying to crack it open and fighting over it... definitely some permeation going on.

more successful method however was keeping it COLD... i mean dry ice cold.

i got a cooler took a pound of fish and sealed it inside pvc dunked it under water checked for bubbles... no leakage all was good. next after cleaning i submerged it in denatured alcohol and threw a few pounds of dry ice in the mix. the denatured alcohol will cool to the same temp as the dry ice after some bubbling and fizzing while it cools. one it balanced out 2 hours later i introduced the dogs... no alert... even prodding and pushing them to sniff harder gave no interest... doberman even took a snap at me like back off there's no fish lol.

let 24 hours pass, checked temp of solution around pvc... still good -20 degrees in cooler while sitting outside. introduced dogs... no alert... so far so bueno!

finally took pvc out and let it sit in the dog kennel and watched and waited... dogs were just interested in the ice at first then pushed it to the side.. finally after 3 hours the lab got interested started pawing at it and few minutes later once again they were tryin to rip it open gnawing at the pvc.

ok so this is my conclusion... pvc is NOT a good method in itself but when cooled and submerged it works well. The con is the the cooler you keep it in is quite large... it took 3 gallons of denatured alcohol, about 10-15 pounds of dry ice to keep it cool, and one of those orange cooler containers all for one pound of product. I am convinced that the entire time it is submerged odor permeation of the product is happening but the denatured alcohol and the below 0 temps are keeping the smell at bay. the entire container costed me roughly 50 dollars for container, dry ice, and denatured alcohol.

my next experiment will be to see just how much product i can get away with submerged under alcohol before the wee doggies catch a clue... another issue i'm dealing with is that they are starting to put it togther that pvc = food so i'm trying to figure out how to handle that.

thanks everyone for all the input its really helped in my experiments... until next time!

farmboy
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 20 Jun 2008
Posts: 25

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject:

socrateez wrote:

I'm going to look further into the gut stashes and permeability. I'll see if anyone has been sniffed this way.

holy smokes that tool looks better for pill pressing than anything! Razz

no i've seen that before for making nice 1 pound bricks...

gut stashes are ok but how much do u think a person can swallow? if you know someone thats swallowed a pound let me know! haha... o how bout i swallow some fish and let my dobermans sniff it out they'd rip me open on alert lol!

Vern
Jerry Garcia

Joined: 04 Mar 2008
Posts: 370
Location: Oklahoma

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject:

My friend ordered some seeds and they came in a small zip lock baggy with the words "SMELLY PROOF" on it. Never heard of it

unuyh
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 28 Jul 2008
Posts: 51

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject:

interesting,..now what if you had a bag of bud ceram wraped and everything, then that in a slightly bigger bag; and connect a vacuum to it to suck all the air out, and put that vacuum in a bag with another hole connecting it back to the bag of bud, wouldnt that keep the smell moving and harder for the dog to sniff out? so basically youd have a circle and the smell just going on circles in that same little system, so itd be: bag with bud, to vacuum back to bag of bud, everything would have to be tightly sealed, so from bag of bud to vacuum sealed tightly, and from vacuum in bag to bag of bud tightly sealed also... i mean if you cant keep the smell from moving out, at least let it move to where you want it and keep it there, that way the smell wont travel outside that system and stay there....

some f.b pos crticism welcom

or what would be the PERFECT way, to keep smell from going out even if seemed impossible, the ideal way....maybe wrap bud in a million trillion layers of ceram wrap? would that keep the dog from smelling it out?

fibble
Concerned Citizen

Joined: 14 Aug 2008
Posts: 1

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:18 am Post subject:

How about:

A few hours before a dog encounter (I'm thinking about 5 hours) wrapping the goods in ceram with as little air as possible. Then put it in a condom, put some vodka (or other spirit) in, wrap in another condom, then more vodka, then another condom, etc. So you have condom layer, vodka, condom, vodka, (could try a layer of water), condom, etc..

Put some weights in so package sinks, then put the lot in a water container like a thermos flask. Change the water/coffee fluid in the flask just before crossing to flush out any scent molecules that have escaped into the flask liquid?

Would this stop enough scent molecules escaping in 5 or 6 hours? Might this work for a small amount?

Vern
Jerry Garcia

Joined: 04 Mar 2008
Posts: 370
Location: Oklahoma

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:35 am Post subject:

farmboy wrote:

socrateez wrote:

I'm going to look further into the gut stashes and permeability. I'll see if anyone has been sniffed this way.

holy smokes that tool looks better for pill pressing than anything! Razz

I think I seen Curly get his head stuck in one of those!

unuyh
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 28 Jul 2008
Posts: 51

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject:

yea sinking it in water i dont think works at all...i heard dogs are also used to find pipeline gas leaks under the ocean like a few thousand meters under and the little mother fu@ers find em!or maybe its because the leaks let out bubbles and the odor is able to reach the surface this way....so dog doesnt really smell it under the water but when it reaches the top......i dont know they never specify....its a conspiracy to deprive of certain info.... Confused

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