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4change
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| The bags in that dog article looked like the really thin ones used for chips. I think there are different types or grades of Mylar/Foil bags; the ones I have are a lot thicker and stiffer than most pototo chip bags, with a wide sealed rim, not as chrome shiny as those look either.. I'd sure like to see a full comparison, in a well-run test, Mylar-Foil to various "turkey bags"; using the same vacuum sealer, cleaned identically, etc. A report of the various grades or types would be helpful to know what to look for. Seems somebody must've reported on this by now, or maybe a technical journal article somewhere.. |
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Legalize420
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| 4change wrote: | | The bags in that dog article looked like the really thin ones used for chips. I think there are different types or grades of Mylar/Foil bags; the ones I have are a lot thicker and stiffer than most pototo chip bags, with a wide sealed rim, not as chrome shiny as those look either.. I'd sure like to see a full comparison, in a well-run test, Mylar-Foil to various "turkey bags"; using the same vacuum sealer, cleaned identically, etc. A report of the various grades or types would be helpful to know what to look for. Seems somebody must've reported on this by now, or maybe a technical journal article somewhere.. |
Exactly the kind of response I was looking for. Them bags, to me, don't look the same as the ones I have experience with.
Now as far as that bust, I believe it was either...
a) due to a tip and the dog could have false alerted
b) outside residue on the bag could be a VERY reasonable explanation.
4change, you seem to have knowledge of what you are talking about and seem to use a similar material as the one we do. Ours is the best of the best. If you'd like to compare sources for bags, please feel free to PM me. Hopefully mine will be a better choice and you could switch over.
The bag that we use is vapor and oxygen proof to a level that is undetectable to machine. This means it is less 6 ten thousandths of a gram of vapor emmitted every 100 feet every 24 hours and less than 5 ten thousandths ccs oxygen per 100ft.
It doesn't get much better than that, but we triple layer anyways with oxygen absorber packets (kinda like the things in beef jerkey bags or shoes but way better) in between layers. This means that you can take the .0005 and .0006 numbers and divide them by 3 since it would have to pass through three layers. We also pack in as much of a clean room envirment as possible. if anyone wants more details, please PM, I'd like to keep info out of public eye. |
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Joe
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| 4change wrote: | | A report of the various grades or types would be helpful to know what to look for. |
Here's a breakdown of materials and common OTR ranges.
One problem is finding a supply to match machine one has, the other obtaining a machine compatible with bags.
The other issue is regarding travel, as all know, sealing right before trip, but, also freezing product before also doesn't hurt. Exterior temps on the colder side will also further reduce OTR rates, for example, in climates with winters, in a sub zero trunk.
Some will even claim OTR rates with an already low packaging may very well be reduced to zero in such temperatures. |
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Joe
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| It is noted by machine manufacturers also that vegetables are recommended to be frozen before sealing as they do release gases if not which interferes with the seal and packaging.This could also apply to marijuana, similar to what takes place in the curing process, and, could explain many things. |
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4change
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Joe, good link and good points. Have you any idea what the polymer material is for Food Saver type bags, the ones commonly available for using with their vacuum sealer machines? I cannot personally detect any smells using the thicker ones sold as an 11'x 16 ft. roll. All are superior to "sandwich bags" as they actually attract molecules to them, wasting flavor and smell, not to mention being quite permeable.
Still, anyone having info on comparison of "Turkey Bags", which seem to be simply thicker food sealer bags - and foil/mylar type bags, would be most helpful. I have some good industrial foil/mylar bags, though they do not seal sufficiently with a single seal-bar attempt; they take hotter temps to seal. I use an iron to produce about a 3/4" wide sealed edge. Another guy said he triple-bags, likely overkill but surefire it would seem.
Good Topic! |
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unuyh
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| hey what happened to barry? did he already post what his k9 handler friend said about the turkey bags? im listening to what hes got to say about that...it sounds like it might work with the cellophane wrapped all around it with gloves on and stuff....im listening |
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WildChild
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| unuyh wrote: | | hey what happened to barry? did he already post what his k9 handler friend said about the turkey bags? im listening to what hes got to say about that...it sounds like it might work with the cellophane wrapped all around it with gloves on and stuff....im listening |
Barry's very busy right now, don't know when he'll be back haha |
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unuyh
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| oh.....did he tell you about those results with the turkey bags? peoples liberty is hanging on those results man i dont want anyone getting caught because it was a mistake and theyre not that odor safe after all....some f.b. |
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socrateez
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Noone has submitted results if they have experimented. Hmmn.  |
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unuyh
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| i think they do work and his friends asked him not t divulge any of the results because its too dangerous of information for just anyone to have so my conclusion....yep they do work if done properly,....hmmmm still gotta think about it though like i said hes a cop |
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