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stopthemadness
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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: Brand New Crop, Brand New Grower |
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| Alright fellas, and some ladies I'm sure, I have read here and other sites and am beginning my journey as a grower. I have two babies and 8 in the germination stage. I am hoping all are beautiful girls, but time will tell. Almost finished with my hydro set up, so, I'm about a month away from beginning the vegetation stage. Many people offered very helpful info in my "Sexing" topic post. Any key tips for me at this time. I am going to start off with homemade mixes of nutrients, but will be moving to the B'Cuzz product line after a month of growing. Any suggestions on other nutrients/mixtures to use? Oh, also I heard about this stuff also made by Atami called Bloombastic, has anyone used this stuff yet? |
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High Man
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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I have also heard good things about Atami's bloombastic.
B'cuzz bloom is supposedly a good line.
Superthrive is also a good additive to use.
Cannzym
Look into the "Lucas formula"... (GN floranova series uses this).
Hmm I'm gonna check my notes... Which are all scattered about lol... LoL lots of stuff I've used and not used...
Hmmm.. Keep in mind this info may not be accurate in terms of names/brands and is not all inclusive.
Optimum brand, hydro nute solution, A, B bloom hardwater... Liquid silicone, Liquid oxygen (supposedly very good for hydro/aero applications).
Earth Juice Bloom is an organic fert.
ESU greenleaves: Boost juice for veg growth.
Hmmm... Other stuff, whole lines of products you can use:
General Hydroponics nutes (lots of people seem to like flora nova series veg and flower nutes).
Dutchmaster nute line, heard is good, donno much specifics.
Advanced Nutrients line is very good, very popular and pricey, got stuff like micro grow bloom (very important to have a complete micronutrient formula(s)), overdrive, big budd, chingching, sweet leaf, carbo load, etc.
Fox Farm line is also good, cheaper than AN, got stuff like liquid gold, beastie bloom, tiger bloom, big bloom, coolbloom.
I'd check nutes and stuff on every bottle, and I'd try to compile a list of ALL the nutes you will need in ALL of the optimum levels you will want, and pick and choose the nutes from the lines you want, or just use one set line.
I like organic stuff a lot though, its cheaper and more forgiving, stuff like unsulfered molasses, 1-2 tablespoons per gallon of water is very good. Also miracle grow or shultz ferts isn't so bad for the el cheapo route.
Add some C02...
Also look into getting an arc fault circuit interrupter, they are sold at home depot/lowes, and use one where you are plugging in lights. They prevent fires from faulty circuits. |
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High Man
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Also, high nitrogen levels during flowering have a negative correlation with THC production... So drop N levels during flowering LoL
Adding UVb or UVc is said to increase THC production... In searching though for a source for UVb light, I have found lamps that actually put out the kind of UV light you use are difficult to obtain (especially for cheap).
People have been trying reptile UV lamps as well as UV lamps used in clubs, concerts, etc., but in my research I've found that these UV bulbs only put out harmless, useless UVa radiation, which will do nothing to the plants in terms of upping THC production. It is difficult to get actual lamps/bulbs that produce UVb or UVc because they are harmful to humans/animals (ie. they can cause sunburn, cancer, etc.). HID and other kinds of lighting DO put out a small amount of UV radiation (I donno what kind(s), could look it up), but not the amount the sun puts out. |
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Joe
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Brand New Crop, Brand New Grower |
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| stopthemadness wrote: | Alright fellas, and some ladies I'm sure, I have read here and other sites and am beginning my journey as a grower. I have two babies and 8 in the germination stage. I am hoping all are beautiful girls, but time will tell. Almost finished with my hydro set up, so, I'm about a month away from beginning the vegetation stage.
Any key tips for me at this time. I am going to start off with homemade mixes of nutrients, but will be moving to the B'Cuzz product line after a month of growing.
Any suggestions on other nutrients/mixtures to use? Oh, also I heard about this stuff also made by Atami called Bloombastic, has anyone used this stuff yet? |
My suggestions would be to first, completely ignore everything above.......
2. If this is your first, do not start off with "home made mixes".....Just don't.....
The number one source of new growers issues is varying from tried and true simple solutions........and going with mixes less than adequate, and, if this is your first, your not going to create a mix which is adequate.....
3. Familiarize yourself with the nuances of whatever you decide to run.....(Many mixes will fall short on Mg.....and are supplemented with Cal-Mag, etc......)
4. You state you will be moving to Bc a month after veg.....
Why a month?.....If that is what you are deciding to go with, then why switch over after a month?.....
Note: Typically, the guide for when to start feeding (lower dosage) is when the cotyledons yellow (first small set, not true set for simplicities sake), but, many begin lighter feedings before that....
Stick to basics for success (and learn along the way and begin to vary.....) Stick with a recognized mix (nutes...), pH important (hydro, always), and, often neglected also is rez temps...
You don't want to start with your own mixes and regimens....just asking for trouble (as a new grower, first batch...later on might find your self doing so, but, get some runs under your belt first...)
Another big issue you will see often, is to keep in mind: Each and every strain have different feeding requirements.......ie: If your first run is one thing, and, your second run is something else, they may very well have different feeding habits, when all assume the same......Some are heavy feeders, some light, etc...
Many people feed all the same, and first themselves on the forums asking about issues, deficiencies, etc...
On that note: All issues always start with pH, and you work your way from there...
Also of note for later: You do not switch immediately to flower mixes on first day of 12/12......give it a week, or, you can also research certain mixes which gradually work into it (slightly different first week, then different second week, then into 3rd week.....) This is another area people have problems with......
As above though....read in advance and familiarize yourself with any and all nuances of your chosen nutes..... |
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High Man
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Also, if you are mixing your own nutes, why bother switching to any kind of line, especially if what you are using is working.
If you've put in the research and read up on amounts to use, mixing your own nutes is cheap and easy and you wind up with better tasting bud in general.
And its pretty easy to go out and read and do the research.
Mixing is easy, X parts stuff to X parts water. If you fuck that up then you just didn't put in the research.
You can fuck up with a standard nute line pretty badly if you don't know what your doing as much as with organic mixes, and usually fuckups with such nutes are worse since that stuff is highly concentrated.
Always follow directions on the bottle, and when in doubt, use half strength or quarter strength nutes. In fact, thats where you probably want to start, and add as needed until you find the right amount that your plants respond do best.
You don't need to do a ton of grows to learn how to mix stuff like molasses and fish emulsion with water or any other mix (if you fuckup something as easy as 1-2 tablespoons per gallon you are hopeless LOL). Even after a ton of grows if you haven't done it before you still will be in new territory doing such, so if you want to do it now and see how it goes don't let anyone discourage you!
Just watch your plants and don't overdue it. |
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Joe
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: |
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Some additional notes regarding the above:
Lucas formula is not applicable to GH Flora Nova series, Lucas formula is for the GH 3 part, chem.
The entire Earth Juice line is basically organic.
Cha Ching is not an AN product, but a Fox Farm,and KaBloom is not a Fox Farm product, it's part of GH supplemental line...(Doesn't matter if KaBloom or KoolBloom, both are GH..)
Superthrive should only be used early veg,(absolutely never in flower) and molasses utilized mid to late flower. (Molasses is used primarily as a carbo load....but also K and Mg...)
Some other notes, which are quite simple, yet, unless many aware, they have a problem with:
A full line will consist of veg and flowering, then with additional supplements, and most have their full schedules published online (what to feed, from each component, on a weekly basis, from rooting clone/germing through harvest.....)
( An example of a product lines schedule looks like this, page 2 As above and elsewhere, dietary needs will vary with strain, and, as elsewhere, with each and every factor of the op in general. As each and every factor changes, so does it's feeding. Simple doing runs, hopefully, one will get "a feel" of needs and reactions of the plant in general, so one can easier adjust feedings for future runs, different factors (more light, Co2, size, etc), and different strains...)
Another schedule (AN=Advanced Nutrients), bottom of page
I've seen more than once someone go out and buy "some nutes"......which weren't what they needed.....
Veg, and flower, and supplements....supplements are optional and sometimes interchangeable between lines...(done all the time..), as can be the veg and flower, but, it is important one understands needs for each phase...
(To some simple, others not...more than once we have had to respond to "I've been watering them with EJ Catalyst from germ through flower, and don't know what's wrong...." (EJ Cat not veg, not flower, but a supplement...)
Dietary needs, specifically low N in flowering has been known for over 30 years.
Something also all should be aware (and few are until they exhaust all other options....), is that there is a shelf life on all products...Nutes can, and will "go bad" (organics fairly quickly....chems can also, but , a little longer), so.....smaller store.....low turnover......time between ops....etc, etc...Make sure your buying a fresh batch... |
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stopthemadness
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: dead |
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| i had 3 babies in the soil, wife got the bright idea to put maricle grow on them. it worked for a day, but they all died the next, have more being germinating. hopefully something comes out of them |
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