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hilarleo
Concerned Citizen

Joined: 04 Jul 2008
Posts: 2

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: New England- recent changes in law

Hey Barry, big guy,

Hooray :-)
Heard you on Sirius Radio "Howard101" this am.
Good show- good hearing the libertarian basis of your viewpoint.
I love what you are trying here.
May honesty fairness and truth flourish
like the green fields of the lord.

Sadly tho' you din't quite 'connect'
with the brainwash in Howard101's room.
The poor woman was even sayin' she din't want to see you elected :-(
Sad aint it? 'Pinks' can get confused, so stay on point &just remind us all:
Their Truth = money.

Now you may have also heard some fallout from your appearance. You said:
"You have to be crazy to become addicted to cocaine".
I agree, this seems true enough from my middle-class,
over-educated postion of a racial-protection and privilege.
But in some worlds, it's demonstrably _not_ "just crazy people"
who fall into addiction )-:

I suppose ex-cops may not get much medical training, but..
#1): First, "crazy" is not a term recognized by the courts or medical professions.
I will grant you that [former regular cocaine user]
Resident Bush is "crazy" by many lights.
Still, people habitually involved with addicting drugs and behaviors
are now considered by professionals to have the "addictive personality type"-
not "crazy".
True or not in the "real world", your statement only serves to make your
position appear uninformed.
As well it appears untrue to anyone who's known a 'sane' addict
(that is, sane as perceived by solid economic criteria).

#2): Many "sane" addicts simply hide their addictions better than others-
and such hiding is one indicator of sanity used in courts.
Not only do "addicts" have varieties of complicating diagnoses,
they have infinitely varied lifestyles,
even holding great, professional responsibility.

Now I ask: Is "Crazy" a solid catch-all
for a group including every profession and class- from Authors,
Computer &Software professionals, Doctors, Homemakers, Lawmakers,
Musicians, Preachers, Policemen, conservative Radio Host/Demagogues,
Students, etc etc... -
to just about everyone but 'compulsive capitalists'
like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet?
But of course, wouldn't Capitalist St. Malcolm Forbes
have failed any "no addictive narcotics" test, too??

Ex-street cops have tended to see only the out-of-control addicts,
who have burned-out their alternatives &support systems.
But can you believe- 'it happens' to *good* people too?
Maybe you yourself must know it's easy enough to become addicted-
to caffeine, nicotine, sugar.. whatever. It's a spectrum of experiences,
and only the situation makes it difficult to address rationally.

Me? I say it's society that's crazy, not addicts in general.
• • •

You also seemed uninformed about recent MidWest &New England
persecutions in the latest DUID rulings [ie., the "mandatory blood tests" stories].

Zero-Tolerance "DUID" [Driving Under the Influence of Drugs]
laws certainly seem unconstitutional to Boomers.
But when did state lawmakers demand 'constitutional' on the bus?
Currently these types of blood-screening technologies and laws
are being applied primarily to cases involving fatalities.
But... Every refusal to submit to these invasive blood tests continues to result
in automatic charges - and compulsory convictions.

It's up to us to change every obscene law and practice.
For the ongoing story of the [effectively] compulsory blood
tests for metabolites, we should all subscribe to and read
http://stopthedrugwar.org/news .
Here's one discussion of such recent changes in Michigan:
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/441/michigan.shtml

Of course it's a matter of time before we see growing abuses of these laws.
The current situation actually makes refusal to give consent appear pointless.
But our insistence on any belief in our rights, or complaints about every violation
of our rights could ...*could* help- in any appeal case-
once these laws are revisited by saner courts or legislatures.

Changing the situation,
leo, berkeley

Mr.C
Problem Child

Joined: 15 Jan 2008
Posts: 615

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject:

awesome post,,,great info,,,i missed this interview but hope to catch a replay.

welcome to the forum

dawsonspaw
Pink Floydian slip

Joined: 11 Apr 2007
Posts: 344
Location: Somewhere in the temporal space inside my mind

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject:

Outstanding post.........and a Big welcome to the board cool

shortyflow
M.I.A.M.I

Joined: 24 Apr 2008
Posts: 587
Location: Porter Pot in Brazil

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject:

I asm a recovering addict so this hits home. I was not able to catch the interview but all I can say is that getting addicted to cocaine is easy. The hard part is deciding to smoke pot instead.

I went to 12 step help meetings, rehab, interventions. The only thing that helped me get off Cocoa was the birth of my daughter and pot.

Maybe pot should be tried with other recovering addicts. I bet if you switch and it works out someone will take notice.

Barry
CEO/NeverGetBusted.Com

Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Posts: 596
Location: Texas

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject:

I'm glad you liked the interview. I'm a bit confused though because I did that interview a long time ago? Did they re-air it?

I have not heard any "fall-out."

You quoted me correctly when I said "You have to be crazy to get addicted to cocaine" but you took it all wrong. Here is what I meant and I'm going off memory from several months ago. All the interviews tend to mix-in together but I'm pretty sure I remember this one.

I used the word "crazy" in the same sense as "You have to be crazy to eat all the popcorn." I didn't mean crazy like clinically crazy. The idea was in the air that cocaine was a dangerous drug that needed to remain illegal. I commented saying "you have to be crazy to get addicted to cocaine" meaning it is not nearly as addictive as we were taught and a person must ingest copious amounts to get addicted. My generation was taught if a person snorted one line of coke, they could become addicted and I was trying to dispel the myth with that statement. There is a big difference in addiction and craving. I think a lot of people in the past have been improperly diagnosed with cocaine addiction after they partied a few times on the drug, craved it and drew the conclusion they must be addicted because they "snorted a line." I know people who have partied with that drug for years and never became addicts.

I think I remember this particular interview being very heated with everybody trying to talk at once. This type of setting makes it very difficult for me to explain everything so I hope my answer above will guarantee the peace in your mind that I have never thought only clinically crazy people become addicted to coke! I know some very sweet and successful people who got addicted to coke. Even though you took me wrong, I'm glad you posted this because it taught me to not use that term anymore! LOL. Your post was sweet! Thanks.

[quote]But... Every refusal to submit to these invasive blood tests continues to result in automatic charges - and compulsory convictions.
[/quote]

I remember saying something like "As far as I know, the only legal way the police can take your blood is if your are involved in an accident that results in serious bodily injury or death."

I think the caller stated citizens in his state were being punished for not giving blood when asked.

Are there cases of citizens refusing a blood test for drugs who are charged if consent is not given? Of course it would have to be a person NOT INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT.

Please be specific. If there are cases, I want to start changing my answers!

Barry

psykl0n
Activist

Joined: 21 May 2008
Posts: 207
Location: BACOIMA!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:21 am Post subject:

Since we're on the subject of cocaine here. I have had a lot of questions about cocaine and adderal. I'll admit I've tried both.

Here are effects for amphetamines:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amphetamines/amphetamines_effects.shtml

Here are effects for cocaine:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/cocaine/cocaine_effects.shtml

Having tried both of these drugs, I can say they're pretty damn similar(except adderall tastes like candy and coke def does not :-D). I just had a few questions if anyone can answer them...

What exactly does adderal do to your brain to make you focus more?

If someone diagnosed with ADD tries cocaine, would it help them?

Brute4291
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Joined: 01 Dec 2007
Posts: 621
Location: Zion

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:16 am Post subject:

To my knowledge cocaine would probably not help with ADD, i have never tried it so im not totally sure.

Cocaine releases all the adrenaline into your body, long term uses can lead to severe and sometimes fatal heart problems.

Adderall i'm not familiar with at all.

psykl0n
Activist

Joined: 21 May 2008
Posts: 207
Location: BACOIMA!!!

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject:

If I were to (preferably) snort 30mg of Adderal, it would feel almost the same as snorting 2 lines of coke, but that's me.

shortyflow
M.I.A.M.I

Joined: 24 Apr 2008
Posts: 587
Location: Porter Pot in Brazil

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject:

psykl0n wrote:

If I were to (preferably) snort 30mg of Adderal, it would feel almost the same as snorting 2 lines of coke, but that's me.

Body buzz and energy wise, Numbing sensation only comes out if you do some things with the microwave and some certain tooth numbing medicines. I got the recipe and it is crazy.

There is no numbing from adderol.
Elavil, if you chew it your mouth is numb for about 20 minutes. They prescribed this to me in jail and it was the craziest pill I was legally prescribed it turns you into a Zombie.

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