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littlenut
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 Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: Lots of questions and need opinions |
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If one were thinking of starting to grow a few plants and given the following options, what would be best for not getting raided?
Grow inside on your own property and here are the options. The house sits sideways on a hill, under the master bedroom is a dirt cellar that the only access to it is in the garage. Or another part of the basement that is accessed from the back yard and the only door is under a deck and fairly hard to see from anywhere off the property. The backyard is only seen from one side and the basement is only accessible from inside the garage or the opposite end and down the hill from the only place you can see into the backyard. Another option is a wooden shed that is very well built with electricty already in place. It is basically used to store pool equipment and summer furniture. There is also a metal shed against the chain link fence in the backyard that has a wooden floor. There is also an empty bedroom that faces the street. And a bedroom that faces the back of the house. There is also a 4 car garage that is attached to the side of the house with an apartment above it and a farily large area under the steps towards the back of the garage that is only seen when you come to the back of the garage or from the back garage door. It is used for storage right now.
I am not talking a huge grow operation but maybe 6 to 8 plants being ready to harvest every month or so.
If on were to have an operation of this size, would one be better off to make your own grow room or purchase grow rooms that look like say speakers or a computer that fit farily well into the house decor?
Or would growing off the property be better? Less than $20,000 equity in the house right now with the economy being what it is. Owe on vehicles, but are not upside down in the loans - so some equity in a 2002 truck and 1995 Eagle Talon. A camper and boat with financing on both but ready to be paid off in next 8 or 9 months. Wife self employed and husband works under the table right now, so no job looses at stake. Nobody will know except husband and wife. Husband does not smoke but is unsure if plans should move forward or not. Giving it some thought.
Suggestions, opinions and more questions welcomed. Just don't say it is stupid without giving a reason.
I have a dream !!
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Joe
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Lots of questions and need opinions |
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| littlenut wrote: | what would be best for not getting raided?
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First and foremost, that is up to you...
Reread.......
That's not a cute comment or exaggeration....
You are responsible for your security...
I know, and have known 10 times more people who have not gotten cracked than who have...
Common denominator among those who have is multiple lapses in security.
You have "X factor" (true acts of nature beyond your control), but, aside from that, you have total and complete control over whether you will be caught or not...
Stick to the rules  , and it's something which very well may never occur, no matter the location and/or scale....
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Grow inside on your own property and here are the options. The house sits sideways on a hill, under the master bedroom is a dirt cellar that the only access to it is in the garage. Or another part of the basement that is accessed from the back yard and the only door is under a deck and fairly hard to see from anywhere off the property. The backyard is only seen from one side and the basement is only accessible from inside the garage or the opposite end and down the hill from the only place you can see into the backyard. Another option is a wooden shed that is very well built with electricty already in place. It is basically used to store pool equipment and summer furniture. There is also a metal shed against the chain link fence in the backyard that has a wooden floor. There is also an empty bedroom that faces the street. And a bedroom that faces the back of the house. There is also a 4 car garage that is attached to the side of the house with an apartment above it and a farily large area under the steps towards the back of the garage that is only seen when you come to the back of the garage or from the back garage door. It is used for storage right now.
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Lot of people grow in sheds, could do some in yard.....could keep them small, (train/LST), could do only a few...me?...I'd go with the garage ....(Could clean out small portion, etc...)
Now, first thing you have to be aware of though are heat issues that come with your region.....Some of the above may not be practical......(sheds in Southwest, etc.....yard might be best for summer, garage for winter, etc)
Garage you could also clean small portion if used for storage, etc, might help also....
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I am not talking a huge grow operation but maybe 6 to 8 plants being ready to harvest every month or so.
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2 issues....
1. 6-8 plants?...you have to remember means nothing...are they 1ft?....or are they 2 x 2?.....or are they 4 x 4's?........are they trees? (6' x 6's?).......
Plant count is your legal position worse case scenario, so...you might want to go fewer larger, more smaller, etc...which is all personal preference, style, etc.....otherwise, means nothing.....could go smaller, larger, etc.......method dictated by the space...
2.Every month or so isn't going to happen unless your running multiple rooms/flip flops.....(2 rooms, staggered on timing.....flip flopped is where ballasts run 24/7 and flip between rooms, etc...which you might not end up doing unless a little more work and budget put in.....
(Best case scenario....your looking at from seed to cut in 10-12 weeks.....you can maintain mothers, and cut your time down (root clones, flower, no veg...), but that's still about 8 weeks for the most part per run....2 rooms running putting you every 30 days...(3rd for veg, clones, mother(s), etc....
Could also run straight 12/12 from seed, which a lot are doing now to keep things quick, short, etc.....
But, yeah, pulling rounds down every month, your looking at 3 spaces....(2 flower, 1 veg), which brings up power issues....which is something requiring awareness/attention, but, can also be kept under control.....(house, 4 car garage, etc...extra 2-3k isn't a big thing......One can also watch other consumption....ie: Lower existing while increasing new......little thought here and there can go a long way....
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If on were to have an operation of this size, would one be better off to make your own grow room or purchase grow rooms that look like say speakers or a computer that fit farily well into the house decor?
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Lot of info and examples of cabinet growers....towers, etc.......all depends which way you want to go......most not very large......yields the same.......
Actually......some cabs not nothing..(you can find guys pulling 1/2 p's from 400's in a cabinet....)
All depends what you want to do, where you want to go with it, etc.....(small, 150-250's....400's...etc, but, as above...monthly, your minimum would be 3 spaces......)
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Nobody will know except husband and wife. Husband does not smoke but is unsure if plans should move forward or not. Giving it some thought.
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Minor ps?....safe as can be (as long as all security protocol followed to the letter, 24/7....)
The above not a joke....you don't want to get busted?....then don't do things that will get you busted..
Everyone who smokes should grow if at all possible........I'm sure there aren't many who wouldn't like to save an extra 5-10-20k a yr....
(Plus, your smoking things which you really can't lay your hands on, things you like, things you want, rare, special things, etc........at the smallest level......literally, isn't anyone who doesn't have the space.......(people going 112/12 from seed in computer towers, cfl's, etc.....)
I'm not too thrilled on micro...but, first rule of growing:
You do what you can, when you can, where you can, how you can.....
Not stupid at all......many would be going extremely large with same space........very easy, very simple (once you get hang of it and basics down....) No reason not to for one who smokes....
Growing not some mystical, magical thing.....I've trained people in a single sitting on basics needed.....
Don't listen or give thought to otherwise....
(Key also is on method.....lot of people make a mistake on their chosen nutes........as a new grower, best bet is a very simple, complete mix......(GH FN series, etc, something like that....2 bottles...there you go....additional supplements with series an option.....)
MJ large consumer of micros....(Magnesium, Calcium, etc,..micronutrients)......so, some things lacking..(many not...) |
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von
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littlenut, i think joe covered everything you needed. i cant give any input LOL.
good answere joe. 
peace & overgrow |
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Joe
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks man.
Eh, feel free......we didn't even scratch the surface....but, thought security angle good to address because lot of people don't get that..(ie" Bust not random....it's happens because you allowed it to by neglect.....)
Real issue and where it begins is how much power and what method....(400, soil....600's coco...etc.....) Lot of new growers also start to hop from method to method, etc......better sticking with something simple until you have an overall grasp, ya know?....(and, something easy to utilize with space......)
If you have someone to help.....etc...resource.....one can go with anything they want....but, again...knowing basics to get through in advance never hurts..... |
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littlenut
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thanks so much for the reply. Yes the grower is the only one who can control security. This is in the very early stages of planning at this point. Cash and/or gift cards will be all that will be used to purchase ANYTHING to do with this project. I think the plan is leaning towards the storage area in the garage if it is large enough to accommodate several areas. There is a way to add to that area, so size is not a real big issue right now. There is a wood stove in the garage. Would that be an issue?
Thanks and there are lots more questions coming. I appreciate any and all advice.
Thanks
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Joe
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| littlenut wrote: | thanks so much for the reply. Yes the grower is the only one who can control security.
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Well, many know that to be the case....many understand why that is the case, but sticking to it until further notice is another matter....
Can never stray...
My pleasure..
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This is in the very early stages of planning at this point. Cash and/or gift cards will be all that will be used to purchase ANYTHING to do with this project.
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Well, basics are you accumulate in planning stage.....which allows to take advantage of better times if making store visits...(and never a vehicle registered to op address....many stores under surveillance at this moment.....have been....)...different times for stores might be better than others, regional issues also, and, if online, a whole different set of issues...
Anyway......many rush in......larger you go, the more time you see...(larger ops...can have prep time of a yr or more.....)
You use time during also to gather knowledge, prepare, etc.....
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I think the plan is leaning towards the storage area in the garage if it is large enough to accommodate several areas. There is a way to add to that area, so size is not a real big issue right now. There is a wood stove in the garage. Would that be an issue?
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Sure, could run exhaust through it (scrubbed exhaust, lights, etc.....) All depends also what your running(what kind of room, what kind of lights, ac or no ac, etc), but, could still utilize it one way or another....could pull in fresh air and exhaust through scrubber, could cool your lights....could run closed with Co2 and a/c unit and lights cooled, etc......all depends which direction you want to go, your budget, what can be set up, etc....(picturing and assuming one that vents exterior to begin with....etc...)
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Thanks and there are lots more questions coming.
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No problem....will be quite a while till questions start to slow..... |
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Brute4291
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Here is a video link to a guy that shows you how to build a quick and efficient grow room
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YuOTnI34vCc
And investing in a grow box could be a good investment, much better security
just my two cents |
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socrateez
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Ive seen that vid before.  There tons of vids like that available, detailing small scale indoor growing! |
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shortyflow
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| you should really talk to the husband to make sure he is okay with it. I figure it would put a ton of stress on him everytime he thought about it. |
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