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joe now you have touched my heart.
do you grow? do you want to grow? do you have something to share? do you want to learn?, well then do so, otherwise?... well... that applies to you. the topic was 'grow questions and grow answers'. all that you posted were insults, & arrogance. you say everything but really you say nothing.
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Joe
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| von wrote: | joe now you have touched my heart.
do you grow? do you want to grow? do you have something to share? do you want to learn?, well then do so, otherwise?... well... that applies to you. the topic was 'grow questions and grow answers'. all that you posted were insults, & arrogance. you say everything but really you say nothing.
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Hmmmm.....I must have saw a different thread.....you mean the "with all due respect"?......  Yes, quite insulting.
What the topic was, was "I won't, and can't provide any input, but, here's site's that will"
Arrogance? Certainty of your knowledge and experience is not arrogance, but, point taken.....(speaking beyond ones level and experience is actually arrogance...
The touched your heart wasn't as cute as you may have thought.....
Some of us actually grow.....and some of us actually spend a lot of time teaching others, and we take it quite seriously.....and we don't like being undermined by pretending amateurs... |
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joe why do you want to go back and forth with high man or anyone. you always have to challenge us, we may not know as much as you, but dont make us look like fools . why?
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Joe
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| von wrote: | joe why do you want to go back and forth with high man or anyone. you always have to challenge us, we may not know as much as you, but dont make us look like fools . why?
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Well, that was/is not my intention, and, I would truly apologize if was taken as such....
I consider all merely discussions, nothing more....and don't taken them as anything else......
All also readily know I would never make someone uncomfortable because they are not aware of something (you learn it, and, then you are, very simple...)
I do, as above, have a problem with people not qualified making comments about areas which they are not well versed enough to be. As said, some of us take it very seriously (and, rightly so, it's quite hard work sometimes to get someone through a batch depending on how many problems they have....)
I've trained personally, in real life, over 300......I take my efforts seriously, and, as above, don't like my efforts, or anyone else's being undermined by someone who hasn't taken the time and effort many others have.......
Or should we google that for an answer? 
(c'monnn, that was funny
Yeah man......it's called "light hearted banter" as far as I am concerned.........web isn't the place for thin skin, ya know? (If one can't take a little here?, well, then life will be a serious problem
Frankly, the true foolishness and absurdity is me having to answer to someone ho has clearly never grown a plant, and lacking the most basic of knowledge....Not the first time someone such as that popped up on a site....but, almost all sites, they're gone in a blink of an eye....(cause admin knows what is fact and fiction......cause admin possess such knowledge also...so......) |
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joe i think i understand where you are coming from. the way you post you sounded like a teacher, you know many people dont like to be told different from there beliefs. i'll leave this alone. no harm done.
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| i myself am an amateur pot grower, im in the middle of my first garden and things are going well but does anyone know if a 400 watt hps bulb can be put in a 250 watt socket and work alright? |
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Joe
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| von wrote: | joe i think i understand where you are coming from. the way you post you sounded like a teacher, you know many people dont like to be told different from there beliefs. i'll leave this alone. no harm done.
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No harm at all brother |
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bobdylan, from my understanding YES, if the bulb screws in. but you need a 400wt ballast, not the 250wt ballast. good luck
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High Man
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Its refreshing to see I am not the only one who has their eyes open to joeblow's antics.
Its great when joeblow says I have no input, or this and that... I can bring up pages and pages of threads with plenty of input. Especially in this forum, much of it deals with having to correct incorrect information that has been posted by joeblow. For shame.
He talks all mighty, like he is the only one with any knowledge of anything, that he has done this and that, yet his words and demeanor prove otherwise in what he says.
| Quote: | | What the topic was, was |
Actually joeblow the topic was about websites that offer treasure troves of cannabis knowledge and how people can use those websites as a resource of information.
Not senseless name-calling, idiocy, trolling, etc 
| Quote: | | grower call other growers "reeferhead" "slacked jawed dopers" |
There you go making things up again! I called YOU a reederheaded slacked jawed stoner, because you are, not growers. Man you are a buffoon
When you have nothing to try and fight with you just lie and make things up off the top of your head! Again, HIGHlarious!
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joe why do you want to go back and forth with high man or anyone. you always have to challenge us, we may not know as much as you, but dont make us look like fools . why?
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I wouldn't worry or deal with him von, he only claims supreme knowledge, he is not actually able to back any of it up when push comes to shove. He only serves to make himself foolish, not show others to be such. He'll tell you this, that, and the other thing, but proof of that is lacking.
The basic answers he gives to questions on here can easily be answered with a quick google search or a search of some of the forums I previously mentioned (again why I posted them), and the answers one will find on those forums are much better than any answer he has given anyone.
But he'll claim otherwise about google searches and any other website that doesn't fall into line with his already preconceived opinions, because the REAL info you will find out there contradicts what he claims oftentimes.
He only wants to fight and make himself out to be the best when he is not. Its nothing but an ego contest with joeblow.
He also tries to fish for information, asking people about their grows yet talking big about security in what looks to me like someone trying to gain trust. Any serious grower worth their salt will know and adhere to rule number 1 about growing (I wonder if he knows this rule lol). This tells me he is either cocky and reckless or a piggy.
And its even more funny when he says something to the effect of "High Man would be gone in any other forum cause admins know better" and says things like weather/handling cannot damage trichomes/buds, talks about THC percents without a reference to his name, etc., etc. Even a first time grower who had one plant outside would notice the effects of a hard rain storm on their trichomes and buds, and the mold and other damage that can come, and how especially dangerous this is at harvest time when trichomes will not have a chance to recover from such damage. Early on, not to much of a worry, later on, it can diminish product quality, I've seen it happen many times. He'll tell you otherwise though, or maybe by now he's changed his tune. Its one of the first arguments we got into though, but he didn't have any references (or logical, common sense, seriously!) to back up what he said. But he'll say my references are clearly wrong because they contradict the supreme growing knowledge joeblow possesses
If he's correct, then why doesn't he edit wikipedia, or tell numerous growers, admins, websites, etc, this very simple "fact" and have evidence to back it up? Why do I not see this information in any grow FAQ? Why are there not tons of threads on the issue? Because people do know better and the factual information is right there in a multitude of references.
Another problem is that he will give information that is partly correct but that leaves information out. Like, saying THC is water insoulble. Yeah, this is true, but truely there will be some THC that solublizes in water. Not much, but look at it this way, when you touch a bud or get resin on your fingers from cleaning a bowl, you can wash your hands and get the stickyness off. It takes a few times, but those oils and tars are partly soluablizing in the water. Add heat and agitation, and more THC and sticky resin will come off. This is kind of the same thing that is happening with a hard rain affecting outdoor crops. Oftentimes joeblow seems to forget the grey area that exists with pretty much every situation.
When I point out how he is wrong and when he is wrong he resorts to name calling, calling me a child, novice, amateur, I have no knowledge, etc., etc. Clearly someone who tries to use such rhetoric and then tries to tout their own so called knowledge, claiming they teach people, have done numerous ops, etc. when they have been shown before their eyes to be wrong is either lying about who they say they are and what they do or just delusional.
Its fine to be wrong, everyone makes mistakes, but the key is admitting your mistakes. I make mistakes, I mis-type something or don't proofread what I wrote and something may come out said wrong. It happens. Its happened in one of the threads with joe, I typed the wrong word, and I admit it! But he still can't help but insult me for it and claim this that and the other thing. And thats really all he's got, insults. If I felt the egoic need to rehash everything he has been wrong about as he does then I'd be quoting pages and pages of previous threads here.
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Jerry Garcia
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highman, you are just adding fuel to a fire. i understand your frustration. but ranting and name calling dont help. let it go........... the end.
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High Man
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Oh I'm not adding fuel, and I wasn't name calling, he was.
That post may seem like a rant, but I'm trying to explain that he is not the be all and end all of growing information, and he rather is in fact often wrong and will steer people in the wrong direction because of he touts himself as a god and some people actually believe it.
And the worst part is he will fight to the death and troll threads even when shown he is incorrect. He won't let things go and will start lying and name calling when he is backed into a corner.
And so I will not let misinformation 'just go' either.
I want you and others to understand that and see that, and not just blindly accept what he OR I say about anything. THAT would be foolishness. |
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Joe
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You make the longest posts without saying anything......
I like the little games, but, they do get old. Attack what you like, but, remember, there is a limitation on what can be.....
For example....You want to talk (more) about resin/trich's and outdoors?), well, got about 20-25 kilos of hash from trim last year..(outdoor)...pics of whole process up other places doing 1/12 kilo runs at a time....
Where are yours?
You want to talk ops?....last run alone about 8,000.....pics available...Where are yours?
Very interesting how a whole forum here, but no posts from you except to troll?
You really try and steer any attention away from the fact you've never even grown a plant, don't you?
You make your cute little insults which intend to bother me, but are so ridiculous as to just amuse..My work and experience documented....it's not open to debate....at all. Those kind of attacks are just empty. No effect....(I know your trying hard........sorry...)
Once again....you offer nothing...(except IC links.....which you lifted also from me .....)
You desperately try to prove you know something, but, again...last I checked....this was a forum without replies from you...
I like the above.....talking about cleaning your bowl (someone who grew would be talking about cleaning hands from product.....which you wouldn't anyway, because you use gloves.....so....)
You remain the ultimate wannabe....
You'll come back with "your wrong, your wrong, your lying"....but you never offer a reason why...
What were you saying about veg time? (needs 2 months?)...what were you saying about lowryder? (less than 2 months veg?) What were you saying about plant being 25% THC?
See...now this is how it's done. Pay close attention:
He claims to be a grower, know about growing, and he speaks of extractions.....
See, the problem there is, that anyone who has ever done an extraction, knows the yield is not 25% dry weight
Let's walk over to IC in the Hash forums and see how that goes over
It's transparent....
Your transparent...
Why admin and mods don't see leaves me amused.....
So...continue.....but, facts remain......your statements signify you have never even done a single run.... |
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Here's a post straight to the point, Joe your a prick, Simple plain and to the point. You need to fucking cool your elitist bullshit, now.
Yes you know a lot, but every post is another insult. People of knowledge should be helping other people, not trying to insult them and belittle them. Yet every post you dig your hole a little deeper, with every post more of your true self makes itself known. |
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High Man
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Wow, you attack me for long posts, what a load of garbage you got going here joeblow.
And now you are calling me a troll? LoL priceless!
You got all these grows with pics, where, where are the links? And how can you prove its you?
You claim you are showing something yet you actually are showing nothing, as usual.
You say I have never done this or that, there must be some Freudian projection going on in your mind 
Anyone can say they have millions of grows under their belt, they do this and that, but truth be told, the information you espouse is oftentimes incorrect.
| Quote: | | See, the problem there is, that anyone who has ever done an extraction, knows the yield is not 25% dry weight |
What the fuck are you talking about? You really don't know how to read and confuse points all the time. I am sure it is deliberate, but it doesn't go unnoticed.
Its too bad you don't know what your talking about and want to confuse a backyard extraction with something done in a lab. Oh well. You also appear very unfamiliar with scientific sampling methods, extrapolation, and the like.
Maybe you should read some of those scientific articles I posted for you.
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What were you saying about veg time? (needs 2 months?)...what were you saying about lowryder? (less than 2 months veg?)
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Once again you misquote me and even the typo I made
I had admitted my mistake, can't you admit your mistakes? I guess not.
This is still the only thing you got to attack me with and its not even anything good. Keep bringing it up, it makes all your arguments look so much better
Laughable. You are a laughable.
| Quote: | | What were you saying about plant being 25% THC? |
Guess you STILL haven't looked it up yet. Oh well.
I give every reason why you are wrong, and I back it up with referenced sources. I know you do not really read my posts, so this is why you claim information that is there is not. It is a poor debating tactic, one that doesn't work and only serves to make you look more foolish for not reading in the first place.
But you want to keep bringing up the past? Ok, remember this?
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Many will state how outdoors is subjected to the elements, and the resin is "washed off", which is absurd, and, comparable to stating that rain washed one's tar (resin) roof off the top of their home or building. |
Yes it is absurd that a "grower" who claims to know stuff would say this. You are a laughable amateur.
Since you are fond of quoting the past lets look at some of these whoopers, and this was just from one single post you made!
| Quote: | Nothing is more applicable than roofing tar.
Quite a suitable analogy. |
Hmmm, you are comparing unsmokable roofing tar to THC. HIGHlarious.
Should we go back to all the quotes about how "Mexican brick weed isn't Mexian brick weed and is actually pretty good" too? Cause those were really funny
But this one is better:
| Quote: | The things you refer to (not applicable since we were addressing outdoor farms) will affect yield, not potency.
A spindly, poorly grown plant grown to proper harvest time will be the exact same potency and quality as a plant grown in one of the most talented growers and constructed rooms.
Genetics are genetics.Potency and quality is potency and quality. All other factors regarding growth affect yield. |
How about this doozy that not only shows your fundemental misunderstanding of genetics and botany and evolution but also is throughly ridiculous to anyone who has grown pot! Yeah, I love that quote.
I guess marijuana hasn't changed in all the years of artifical selection we have put it through. And neither has corn or bananas.
I bet you've never even seen a live marijuana plant |
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Joe
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Hmm....you seemed to have completely skipped over the above questions.......
Where are yours again?
Waiting for you also over there in hash forum.....25% of plant, Chloroform, etc, etc....
Waiting for the above....waiting over there.....waiting, waiting, waiting.......
Ever since you started posting we have been waiting |
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