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Bongzilla
Stoned On The Mountain
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Location: Mountains in E Oregon
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Spent six years on the road, stoned daily. You first gotta remove any personal feelings that you are doing anything wrong. Be friendly with the oficer without seeming to try. If they ask to search communicate to the officer you are late and don't need to be any later. If they persist I always kept a dog in the truck for security, and claimed he didn't like uniforms, and I couldn't find his leash. As no cop in his right mind will willingly search a semi with a potentially hostile "GUARD DOG" present. Finally I would in a friendly manner offer to go to the officers residence to have a frienly peek, starting with his wives' panty drawer. At the time they are requesting a search it is no different than my "request" to rifle through his personal belongings! And then tell him that after you finish searching his personal belongings you will gladly allow a search. There are many ways of creatively refusing a search without outwardly seeming to, and ways which put the officer off guard. Think fast, say it with a smile and DON'T BE DEFENSIVE!!!
Happy Highways. |
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douchefun
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: FORMER TRUCKER |
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| Bongzilla wrote: | | Finally I would in a friendly manner offer to go to the officers residence to have a frienly peek, starting with his wives' panty drawer. At the time they are requesting a search it is no different than my "request" to rifle through his personal belongings! And then tell him that after you finish searching his personal belongings you will gladly allow a search. |
I wouldn't advice this. |
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narcdet
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| Hmmm, interesting. The dog idea is not a bad one. As for the rest...well, if it has worked for you and you feel comfortable with it then I would never tell you not to. As a cop I don't think it matters why you refuse, or even if you do it in a good-natured manner, it's still a refusal and it will still make me want to get in the car even more. |
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Superj1975
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| Thats the stupidest thing I ever heard. |
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douchefun
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| narcdet wrote: | | Hmmm, interesting. The dog idea is not a bad one. As for the rest... |
The officer could tell him to use his belt. He could ask the K9 unit to bring a leash. |
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Bongzilla
Stoned On The Mountain
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Location: Mountains in E Oregon
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| Keep in mind I never dealt with a highly trained interdiction officer. Mostly DOT or Barney Fife locals who were good at bragging at how they've got the means to hang your ass over nothing. A well informed citizen can put a belligerent idiot in his place. While a highly trained intelligent LEO will have a different approach that is very hard to handle. A dumb bully is easily distracted and redirected. |
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Dutch_john
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Location: Florida swamplands
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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I think Bongzilla has a great technic. His comfortable with it, its natrual for him, works for him and he knows it will work for him again.
Berry says concent to search if your stuff is hidden well. So if its not what are you guys going to do?
Bongzilla said something like ... there are many creative ways to refuse a search with out setting alarms, or seem like your refusing.
I don't know about you guys are going to do but I'm going to work on my own routine and practice it, in the event my stash is not so hid. |
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Barry
CEO/NeverGetBusted.Com
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Finally I would in a friendly manner offer to go to the officers residence to have a frienly peek, starting with his wives' panty drawer. At the time they are requesting a search it is no different than my "request" to rifle through his personal belongings! And then tell him that after you finish searching his personal belongings you will gladly allow a search. |
I absolutely love this approach and would endorse this tip with the NeverGetBusted stamp! (There's really no such stamp. ha ha)
I know if this approach had been used on me during an interdiction stop, It would have actually taught me the importance of our 4th Amendment right to refuse consent. I would have seen the value in being able to refuse a search after picturing the motorist rifling through my drawer of intimacy.
This approach would probably have thrown my overwhelming drive to find drugs off balance a bit meaning I might not have bothered to bother you any longer because I would have thought you really believed this principle which would explain your refusal to search.
I am certainly going to add this tip to my future book, "Tips to Never Get Busted!" because it certainly causes thought!
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socrateez
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| Bongzilla wrote: | | Keep in mind I never dealt with a highly trained interdiction officer. Mostly DOT or Barney Fife locals who were good at bragging at how they've got the means to hang your ass over nothing. A well informed citizen can put a belligerent idiot in his place. While a highly trained intelligent LEO will have a different approach that is very hard to handle. A dumb bully is easily distracted and redirected. |
Have you ever seen LEO's on COP's nearly assalted by people pulled over for minor traffic infractions? WTF? Others haul them out of the car at the first hint of anger or resistance. Whats the difference here?
Also, you have to be careful if attempting to redirect someone considered a dumb bully or similar. Sure this person is relativley easily redirected, but even more easily insulted or empowered. It's no coincidence that Bull is in Bully. Bully's feel more at ease percieving someone as an equal, or they percieve that you are not one to be pushed easily. They smell weakness of character, your hit.
A good officer can weave a line of questioning as intricate and confusing to the average person as a prosecutor can. Most people will trip themselves up because they don't even know what their rights are let alone able to verbally dance tha tango with the officer who wears his badge as his belt buckle.
Bullies and thugs look for victims. Period. |
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Dutch_john
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| socrateez wrote: |
Have you ever seen LEO's on COP's nearly assalted by people pulled over for minor traffic infractions? WTF? Others haul them out of the car at the first hint of anger or resistance. Whats the difference here?
Also, you have to be careful if attempting to redirect someone considered a dumb bully or similar....
A good officer can weave a line of questioning as intricate and confusing to the average person as a prosecutor can. Most people will trip themselves up because they don't even know what their rights are ....
Bullies and thugs look for victims. Period. |
Socrateez your point taken  The questions that arise in making your point but lets look at the situation we're contemplating. In this hypothetical traffic stop we are at quite a disadvantage from the start, liking to wrestling from the bottom or a poker player with a bad hand, I think we're more looking for options here.
Above you ask "whats the difference?"
I here what your implying but I'm feeling this situation with the hypothetical officer just asked to search your vehicle and a decision has to be made what to say?
We know from Berrys videos a refusal sends alarms so one option is playing the defusing card as Bongzilla describes, in answer to your question I think the difference is that this type of refusal can break the officers rhythm/stride so to speak, for me I see it working.
Besides what else you going to do, if you got an ounce or more of marijuana Easily found by LEO if you consent to search? |
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socrateez
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Good points. 
1)Attempt refusal through redirection tactics if stash may be easilly compromised.
2)If stash is secure from LEO consent to search. |
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4change
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I appreciate the boldness and creativity of that approach too, depending on how the officer takes the joke.. Having a BIG dog that I can't seem to control, well that could work in either direction..
But, there is also a need to stand up to frivolous searches, especially when there isn't anything to find. I tend to agree with Barry's advice of allowing IF contraband is well-hidden; but I would also take the opportunity to practice defending my RIGHTS when I can, to both educate the officer, as well as gain some insight firsthand. Though I have never been asked to be searched in my history of mainly speed-stops, I will be prepared to uphold the Constitution of our country, lest it slip away in the dark.. |
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Bongzilla
Stoned On The Mountain
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Location: Mountains in E Oregon
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| BTW I woke up late that morning and just jumped behind the wheel. I was doing nothing wrong, by watching the profile section I now KNOW this was a profile stop (parked perpendicular). There was a bong and bag in the open in my sleeper compartment. I gave my dog a verbal cue to "let's go out and play" so he was fighting to get to the passenger door where I usually let him out. Yes he was aggressively trying to get to the door where the officer was... not the officer. The officer was quite obliging to my situation, being caught off guard. This was just an example of how quick thinking may possibly save your ass. |
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wiccannabis
Concerned Citizen
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Location: Richmond, CA
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Refusing searches |
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Barry obviously knows what he's talking about. I got busted 12 years ago because I was foolish enough to have not cleaned out my purse (found out after the fact that the cop's search of my purse was illegal, I had consented to a search of my car - also foolishly but that's another story)
Anyway, the same cop approached me about a week later and asked to search my car again (I have to say, I was living in my car at the time, so I was frequently parked in random places) When he asked, I refused to allow the search. He came back with the "nothing to hide, no worries" cop-talk. I told him that the US Constitution protected me from unreasonable search and seizure as well as from incriminating myself, and reminded him that he had taken everything I had a week earlier (not true, but why dicker over it)
I have to say, if you don't have anything for a cop to find or you have it well enough hidden that even a K9 won't find it, you should definitely refuse to consent to a search and cite the Constitution as the reason. Cops need to be reminded there are fundamentals in this country that protect citizens. What hurts us all the most are the people who do NOT do drugs or drink and drive who fall for the "if you have nothing to hide, why won't you allow a search?" ploy. If more Joe Citizen types said no, we would all be better off and the cops would be less likely to pull dirty tricks, playing on people's ignorance of the laws. |
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