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chudder
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Location: Texas
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 Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: organic and non-organic fertitizer |
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| i'm a first time grower and i was wondering if anyone out there used organic and non-organic fertilizer at the same time and also how and what they use? thanx |
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Joe
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| chudder wrote: | | i'm a first time grower and i was wondering if anyone out there used organic and non-organic fertilizer at the same time and also how and what they use? thanx |
Well, the question is why would you?....
As a first timer...best is to keep it simple and learn more in the meantime (instead of experimenting on first one......)
Reasons for mixing could be preference, fast acting combined with time release.(ie: quick fix, then time release in there)....access, availability, etc.....
Stick with the basics and work your way up from there...chem product available everywhere easily would be Osmocote.....basics of everything you need at any Wal Mart or gadren center.....
Plus you didn't specify if a dry mix while prepping in hole, or a liquid drip, irrigation, etc (see...... easy to complicate it.......keep it simple....many things off the shelf (both, chem and organic) that will work fine......(Many purists might chime in (organic), but, either will suit you fine.....and be fine.......(as far as taste, quality,etc....it's your first run.....never going to be perfect...even when not first.....rarely is perfect....it's an ongoing process all revise as time goes on....... |
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shortyflow
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Joined: 24 Apr 2008
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Location: Porter Pot in Brazil
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| Don't know about the fertilizer. But we were growing alot of plants so my daughters could have flowers and green beans in their garden. I bought 3 different types of organic soil. One Was the miracle grow brand I dont remember the other 2. Well to be short there plants sprouted took off then 4 weeks later died instanley. I grow vegetables all the time and we eat good. I went back to Lowes to find that this organic material was removed from the market and recalled. I will stick to chemical fertilization from now on. |
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dagobaker
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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noob......start with light warrior for veg and then transplant into oceanforest soil......u wont have to fertilize the plants for the first month.....then after u transplant u wont have to fert. for another month
after those 2 months go into 12/12 and use a good blooming/flowering ferts....use about 50% to start and then end up with 100% in the middle and then flush the last 2 weeks....most indicas will be done after 8 to 10 weeks after the switch to 12/12
pm me if u have any questions |
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dagobaker
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| i use to use nothing but miracle grow soil but i like those better and then when u master those.....i use coco and perlite......or just straight hydro |
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Joe
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: |
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He was talking about outdoors.......
I would never recommend FFOF anyway....overpriced, and can create a better mix for cheaper...even if a new grower.....
Which brings up the issue of it all starts with native soil.......native soil will determine where you go from there...(for threadstarter)...
You may need little amending (prep) or, a lot...all starts with native soil and then you work your way backwards from there as far as developing a plan for your prep....
Native soil/rainfall/first frost is the starting point... |
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dagobaker
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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u need to KISS in the beginning and leave very little to chance until u get the hang of it
i say those soils and really good water mostly for creating a good mother or two and then u can experiment with some clones
i only use homeade hydro units and coco/perlite in containers but ive been growing for a little bit of time...........there is no substitute for experience |
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Joe
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Lot of mix's listed lot of places....if native soil not good, some compost, manure, peat etc....some organic nutes........can go to any Wal Mart anywhere and get what you need for pennies.....
Some just dump some feeding soil in holes....
If good native soil...minimal additives......
Key to remember for outdoor is yield is in your hole.....(sun and genetics your running also....)but hole the most important factor because even if good sun and right genetics....well....still will be lacking if the hole is not there....
Yield is in your hole.....
(General rule of thumb is gallon per foot per ounce, but, a loose rule, and, going over that beneficial......some go 2 gallons, etc.....yield is in hole with soil and outdoors.......but should be noted the above more of an indoor rule....as out all conditions superior and multiplied.....but all use that as a guideline.....) |
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