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chudder
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 Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: north texas |
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| does anyone know when marijuana buds in the north texas area? |
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Lushh
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Depends when they plant it. People plant it in Late April to Early May and then the plant buds in about 2 months. I would say June,July or August is the expected time for harvests.
Grow indoors man, much safer and all year round.
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Joe
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Thousands of strains, each with different triggers.....
If talking about strain selection you start with finish dates, and work back from there (Texas allows many things up north does not due to first frost, if applicable).....
Majority of things out will ease in gradually, not like indoor, and, August more or less is what your looking at, but, what might help is what is the question behind it?...Are you asking when you can plant till?, when you can plant?, when will finish?....start of flower...well, lot of angles and answers to that....
But, again, varies with genetics your running....ie: earlier finish, later finish.....general finish...(late Sept/October)......when picking your strains for outdoors, you always start with finish times, and work your way back from there (what you might want to do might not fit your needs, schedule, etc.....)
Then you throw planting times on top of this....but, aside from AF's (autoflowers,10 weeks from seed, yr round if good climate),your looking at earliest early September...mid/late September for most "early" things....
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socrateez
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Considering variables, does this affect flowering by a large time factor? Or can we say that generally plants in the ground will bud within X amount of time of X Date for that Latitude, climate, etc? The variables noted giving us the ends of the bell curve?
Are these factors variable enough so that say a thousand random seeds were sown in a field, they would flower at seemingly random times?
Genetic predisposition for latitude and climate makes sense. I wouldnt expect corn to grow the same in Kansas as in Guatemala. |
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Joe
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| socrateez wrote: | Considering variables, does this affect flowering by a large time factor? Or can we say that generally plants in the ground will bud within X amount of time of X Date for that Latitude, climate, etc? The variables noted giving us the ends of the bell curve?
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Strain dependent.....ie: Something that finishes October 20th not going to finish either way (N/S) at , say, Sept 10th, or, Nov 15th.....give or take (week or 2 here and there) will come in the same, and, variables also are if talking seed, all individuals, that, while might be "stable and uniform", will still vary.....as below:
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Are these factors variable enough so that say a thousand random seeds were sown in a field, they would flower at seemingly random times?
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Let's say one was to take 1,000 seeds of the same strain.......call it an Oct 7th strain....(in your region)...key being seed...you would have "individuals" come in a week earlier, a week later, etc, and, traits also would vary (from seed)...if a 60/40 for example, some might be more sativa leaning, some more indica leaning, some shorter, some taller, some more resin, some less, some stinkier, etc...(as in other thread...the same if a couple was to have 1,000 kids.....they would not all be identical....would all contain a different mixture of traits....(of course, all all clones from same mother, then of course, all exact, but, many things would still vary due to placement and such..(ie: ones with better sun might be denser.....one with less sun might be looser, some taller, etc.....so.....while would be from same mom, porency and such, and characteristics the same), still a variance determined by above.....
All strain dependent....as above.......thousands of strains, all with their own triggers, and, when from seed, variance from there........(large group...even if considered stable and uniform, would still see some variety.....)
One could look through catalogs, breeders, strains all day long and see all the individual characteristics......every single one having different finishing times, yields, taste, growth patterns, etc....
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Genetic predisposition for latitude and climate makes sense. I wouldnt expect corn to grow the same in Kansas as in Guatemala. |
If the same strain, it absolutely would, although Guatemala conditions immeasurably better.....so....greater yields further south..longer season...(strain selection for outdoors, your looking at finishing times vs. first frost as primary guidelines...lot of people select strains on personal preference without ever checking if their region will allow it to finish....
You take anything.....anything at all....plant 10 different areas.........will still be fairly the same in the end, because that is the genetics your working with......(I have done same things in many areas and situations many, many times.....sometimes a little quicker finish, sometimes a little later, but, all strain dependent..)...some might finish little later, some little earlier, and all factors and variables above and then some....but, all in all, as before  Genetics are genetics.....
One can run things that finish later in regions with a later, or no first frost, but, all depends on style and what the grower is after...ie: Longer season, more exposure, more exposure, more risk...so, one could be in a good yr round climate and still end up running AF's or late season planted rounds...(less veg time, smaller plant, smaller plant, less exposure, less exposure, less risk, etc....and on it goes
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Joe
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Additional notes of importance:
When one is talking strain selection, it is never unwise to go to sites and research results for strain in different regions....some sites might have 50 people who have grown same strain in 50 different areas, and you can get an idea of response, finishing times (in addition to things such as is it a light feeder, heavy feeder, did it respond well to topping, is it a hard strain to grow, etc...)
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As above, and, corresponding with global distribution of stock, and regional issues.......
All stock is sold worldwide....one could pick any strain and find people on any continent growing it, so, as above Kansas vs. Guatemala....this is not as unusual as one might think......
Take a strain, any strain, and, you will have people in Spain running it, in the UK, in Canada, in NY, in Virginia, in Texas, In Brazil, In Argentina, etc...
General rule is always the further south one moves, the better many things will do..further north, finishing times are an issue, as can things such as mold be, etc...(cold and wet late season/harvest conditions....), which again feeds into above, strain selection....some like to go a little earlier depending on climate, but, to achieve such starts with strain selection...
Strain selection always starts at first frost and you work backwards from there. Know what your running.
Again...always wise to check breeder notes first, then research second, then make decision.....
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socrateez
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Interesting. What criteria are finishing times based on? I mean outdoors, the light cycle and light quality are latitude dependent and known qualities. What is the "standard" if you will that flowering is measured against? Is there a farmers almanac of sorts to tell you when native varieties flower?
So pick the plant and create the necessary environment, or create an environment and pick the best fit genetically?
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Joe
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| socrateez wrote: | Interesting. What criteria are finishing times based on?
I mean outdoors, the light cycle and light quality are latitude dependent and known qualities.
What is the "standard" if you will that flowering is measured against?
Is there a farmers almanac of sorts to tell you when native varieties flower?
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Well, to all of above.....
None.
Literally thousands of strains, each with their own trigger (genetics)....
One can go to any larger outlet (say, doc chronic.....www.drchronic.com and look at every single one, and all will be different....
The majority tend to be between late Sept and end October (still a 6 week window right there with variance when talking seed)...(I guess the late Sept-end Oct would be the closest thing to a "standard"......which tied in also to projects...one wouldn't be unwise to do a run of various things, to spread out harvest time....different approaches (lot to be said for little here, little there, vs. having to pull everything down at one, and, if one is doing any kind of volume?, well, that is sometimes a problem...
Nah, between breeder and others who have run it, should get a fairly good idea......and then you adjust from there....ie: Some may not be able to visit , or should often, so, then you try and assume a finish date, so, if you ran something with an estimated Oct 15th....you might establish going to cut down Oct 19th, etc, but, might want to get to them to keep an eye last 2 weeks due to mold issues anyway, etc.....
Check out above site..(or others), you scroll through, check, and, should find breeder stats on almost everything.......but, baseline is usually above....any earlier, it's "early" (not many things)...and, any late, considered "late"....
Another problem is lot of people move from indoor to out, and fix their interest on when 12/12 hits, which is not accurate...(if one was to check, 12/12 in many regions hits late september, which, as we said above.....most have things near finishing....
Another aspect dealing with strains, individuals is some will go into flower faster, some slower, etc....so...was another question somewhere here about when they start to flower...some are slower, finish quick, some vs. versa, and, again, I mean (can be seen from above selection).."thousands" is not an exaggeration....(most sites one will find do not come close to stocking everything....one might have to get something from one source, something from another etc.....also, lot of people run indoor strains out, which there is no data for, so, in such a case, as above, one would seek out those who have run it outdoors and try and get an idea of finish times......since breeder has no estimates....
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So pick the plant and create the necessary environment, or create an environment and pick the best fit genetically?
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Ask all you want man, no problem.....
As above...first and foremost one wants to check finish times on what interests them, and then from there, check ones first frost (ie: You pick strain you want to do that finishes Oct 31st, but, you check your first frosts to find out it comes Oct 10th, well, can't run that....so, back to selection....)
Now, of course, when one looks up frost dates, you will find an "average"......in a region with an "average": first frost of Oct 15th...one year might be Oct 25th, next might be Oct 5th....it's an "average", so...but, a good starting point......
This is like,"square one" for outdoor..(really, most people never think of this, do things that can't finish......whole season of time and effort and expense wasted......)
From there one can focus on other things (mold resistant, etc), but, problem in general is some seek a strain(s) that have "everything" they want.....ie: heavy yielder,fast finish,mold resistant, highest potency,.....
It does not exist...
Always a trade off......the best things are never the highest yielder's....the highest yielder's always have the potential for mold issues, (size and density combined with temps and humidity is mold risk).....
Note: Regarding first frost dates.....how does one find out?
It's as easy as entering "your city and state+first frost dates" will have detailed answers in 10 seconds.....
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Joe
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I know, I ask lots of questions. |
That's the purpose of a grow forum, yes? To ask questions, to have discussions, to share.....somewhere where one can have all questions answered....
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