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progrocker
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: Christians please read

This is in response to the many Christians here on this site, posting their beliefs.

I am not going to sit here and tell you no god exists (Even though I believe that). I am just going to tell you to abandon the Christian religion.

You can't be a Christian without being a hypocrite, because the Christian religion contradicts itself and gives mixed messages many-a-time.
The next time you learn something about your religion, or god, try to catch yourself doing something, which we psych-majors commonly (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/blowhard.htm lol) refer to as, accommodation. When we accommodate, we have to change our schema. We have to rethink our own knowledge on a subject to accommodate for a new piece of information.

In order to believe in the Judeo-Christian religion, you have to rationalize and make excuses for god in order for the words of the mind enslavers to make sense. You do this with one thing, and then with another, and another, and another... Before you know it, your schema of the Christian religion includes many things that do not agree with each other. You accommodate for, make excuses for, and compensate your own rational thinking to believe in a higher power.

Pot smokers in particular must learn what they have taken from their "journeys" and apply it to their religious beliefs. When we smoke pot, we often see bigger and bigger pictures around subjects, so that we include other perspectives, and eliminate cognitive dissonance. We make connections and think of possibilities that have not yet occurred to us. This is the thought process of a RATIONAL human being. This is why kids usually make mistakes, because they can only focus in on a small portion of the picture and can't make connections. (i.e. What will occur after this occurs.)

Once we have made enough proper connections about a subject, new information should begin to fall into place with our current understanding of a subject. Assimilation occurs when new pieces of information fit in place, so to say, with old beliefs. When we get a new piece of information that doesn't agree with our current understanding, it means that a bad or false connection must have been made somewhere down the line.

The religious refuse to address these bad connections. Why? Simple, because it's not fun to admit we are wrong. These kinds of people take radical actions and have radical beliefs. This is harmful to our species. Think about the Iraq war. It was conducted by a person with an inability to admit being wrong. These are the people who are so standstill and stubborn in their beliefs that they refuse to look at the bigger picture. What happens? They make decisions without understanding and often act on their primal instincts when threatened.

CRUSADES, WITCH HUNTS, HOLLOCAUST, SPANISH INQUISITION ETC... All caused by people who can't get a grip on the bigger picture. How would this feel if it happened to me? How much pain am I causing? What if I am wrong? These are all questions that that those operating under the notion that god is on their side do not, or cannot address. In the Christian religion, the punishment for working on the Sabbath day is being STONED TO DEATH. That’s right! Ever work on a Sunday? Whelp, under the Christian religion you should be stoned to death and will burn in hell. Hide this amongst a bunch of messages about salvation and god loving us and we eat it up like fucking ice cream cake.

What makes your religion correct? If you read up on Hinduism you would say, “that’s fucking crazy.” The same thing applies when other people read about your religion. A guy died for our sins, rose from the grave and descended into the heavens, sounds just as crazy as any other fairy tale, your just so accustomed with the bullshit propaganda that you refuse to address it’s irrationality. The same thing holds true with this country and the war on drugs. Many are so accustomed to it, they refuse to address the fact that it may be wrong.

You’re being lied to. God is imaginary. WAKE UP.

(I wrote most of this while really baked, so some of it may not make sense)

socrateez
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject:

I don't think you'll make any Christians abandon their faith, but yes to have faith in a narrowly defined system or religious dogma means this: The extinction of the possibility of accepting new information particularly if it is problematic or contradictory.
Fanatics of all sorts have the utmost faith. I can find no actual example of faith or belief of a higher magnitude than this. Except one. A Child.
Most children will fervently defend irrational and illogically held beliefs or ideas. This denial,I believe is the same described by you of the religious and politically adult versions.
A large portion of the population think this way while an even larger portion is just too stupid to perceive the sophistication of the "big picture" let alone fathom a single complex element of politics or religion or society, the list is endless. An equally large group just doesn't give a shit. Don't rock the boat. A smaller portion are seen as madmen for trying to describe what is indescribable to the language of ignorance and faith.
You can lead a horse to water... laughing

socrateez
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject:

By the way, there isn't a single post on here that I haven't been baked. Shhh

Does it show?

dawsonspaw
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Joined: 11 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject:

I appreciate your concern,But just as I am not going to tell you what you should believe in,I would appreciate the same,in God I trust. cool

socrateez
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject:

dawsonspaw wrote:

I appreciate your concern,But just as I am not going to tell you what you should believe in,I would appreciate the same,in God I trust. cool

I'm an Agnostic so that means I don't know shit from a religious perspective!
as long as your not hurting anyone, I don't care if one believes an advanced race of aliens is tailgating a comet to pick you up. I don't even mind if said people off themselves for their faith.

progrocker
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject:

socrateez wrote:

I disagree about children. I feel that the younger they are, the more open minded. As years go on and they experience things for themselves they stick with certain beliefs and opinions. You can convince a child of just about anything.

I feel agnosticism is the most rational, sensible approach. I am an atheist because from what I have seen on the earth, there appears to be no divine intervention in anything. Most things are just random chance. However, I will never claim that there is no god, because I do not have that information.

And demonspaw, if you were born in the middle east, you would believe in Allah. It doesn't bother you at all that your beliefs are geologically based?

Mr.C
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Joined: 15 Jan 2008
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject:

well it is a tangled web thats for sure regardless of what you believe,,its a debate thats been around since before christ and will be around till the world ends,,i believe thats a fact.

those were good points prog,,ofcourse i personally dont care what anyone believes,,because thats their choice as americans,,however i would suggest you go back over the parts in psyche class concerning devaluing yourself and discrediting yourself with name calling,,its very childish,,,,and not conducive to your points

Rise Above

later

dawsonspaw
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 3:39 am Post subject:

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And demonspaw, if you were born in the middle east, you would believe in Allah. It doesn't bother you at all that your beliefs are geologically based?

demonspaw? thats kinda harsh..........but if you would do a little bit of searching,you would see that the God of Islam,is the God of Abraham.just a little food for thought.

progrocker
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:16 am Post subject:

dawsonspaw wrote:

Quote:

And demonspaw, if you were born in the middle east, you would believe in Allah. It doesn't bother you at all that your beliefs are geologically based?

demonspaw? thats kinda harsh..........but if you would do a little bit of searching,you would see that the God of Islam,is the God of Abraham.just a little food for thought.

Lol, I misread, I meant dawsonspaw. Yeah all the abrahamic religions have the same god (kind of), bu they are very different religions.

I don't recall any name calling except for hypocrite.

shortyflow
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject:

PROG GUY After your second line all i have to say is "Fuck You dude"

xlldo
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:32 am Post subject:

Refuting religion in general and Christianity in particular is tricky business. Why try? Would converting Christians into atheists or whatever make them more likely to be pro-choice about pot?

FZRaven
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject:

dawsonspaw wrote:

Quote:

And demonspaw, if you were born in the middle east, you would believe in Allah. It doesn't bother you at all that your beliefs are geologically based?

demonspaw? thats kinda harsh..........but if you would do a little bit of searching,you would see that the God of Islam,is the God of Abraham.just a little food for thought.

Quran,(The Cow) 2:29-41
[2.29] He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth, and He directed Himself to the heaven, so He made them complete seven heavens, and He knows all things.
[2.30] And when your Lord said to the angels, I am going to place in the earth a khalif, they said: What! wilt Thou place in it such as shall make mischief in it and shed blood, and we celebrate Thy praise and extol Thy holiness? He said: Surely I know what you do not know.
[2.31] And He taught Adam all the names, then presented them to the angels; then He said: Tell me the names of those if you are right.
[2.32] They said: Glory be to Thee! we have no knowledge but that which Thou hast taught us; surely Thou art the Knowing, the Wise.
[2.33] He said: O Adam! inform them of their names. Then when he had informed them of their names, He said: Did I not say to you that I surely know what is ghaib in the heavens and the earth and (that) I know what you manifest and what you hide?
[2.34] And when We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam they did obeisance, but Iblis (did it not). He refused and he was proud, and he was one of the unbelievers.
[2.35] And We said: O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the garden and eat from it a plenteous (food) wherever you wish and do not approach this tree, for then you will be of the unjust.
[2.36] But the Shaitan made them both fall from it, and caused them to depart from that (state) in which they were; and We said: Get forth, some of you being the enemies of others, and there is for you in the earth an abode and a provision for a time.
[2.37] Then Adam received (some) words from his Lord, so He turned to him mercifully; surely He is Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful.
[2.38] We said: Go forth from this (state) all; so surely there will come to you a guidance from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.
[2.39] And (as to) those who disbelieve in and reject My communications, they are the inmates of the fire, in it they shall abide.
[2.40] O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and be faithful to (your) covenant with Me, I will fulfill (My) covenant with you; and of Me, Me alone, should you be afraid.
[2.41] And believe in what I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear.

I'm reading the Quran myself, I've only got to the 3rd chapter, The Family Of Imron.
I don't intend to become a Muslim, But with all that's going on in today's world I'd like to at least have a basic understanding of it.

Vern
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject:

amen

FZRaven
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject:

shortyflow wrote:

PROG GUY After your second line all i have to say is "Fuck You dude"

Well that's not a very nice response, not at all.

But you fail to see that indeed in just your short response you show hypocrisy. Indeed he did say that no God exists, that Christians should rid themselves of a false faith. But is there not a movie currently in theaters, produced by people of faith, that is comparing atheists to Hitler? We as non-believers are seen as a group that follows a false "faith", that of science. Do not the religious people indeed think of all the same things of us, as we think of thee?

Non-believers are followers of science, people of faith are followers of the Lord, but sense they can not talk to the Lord (Literally talk, I understand that prayer is held as a form of communication) they must read the bible. So people of faith are followers of the bible, and non-believers look to science for answers. Non-believers are always pointing out what they see as false in the bible, believers are always pointing out what they see as false in science. So when you break it right down, it's easy to see that both sides have much more in common then they think.

Science can incorporate new knowledge into itself as it is discovered, the bible can never be changed. So if any faults are found, they can never and will never be changed. Indeed some people have put forth what they consider faults in the bible, but just because they hold them as such does not mean that everyone holds them as such.

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Vern
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Location: Oklahoma

Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject:

If your kids were misbehaving would it be acceptable for you to throw then in the fire place? Your religion says that if you piss off God your getting tortured for eternity. You Christians are some sick MF's

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