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High Man
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 Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: All About Helicopters |
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I've previously started a thread on ways to spot unmarked and undercover police vehicles, but this is a question I just thought of having seen the first chapter to your video as well as watching another movie entitled "In Pot We Trust".
What are some of the ways that could be used to spot a (undercover?) police helicopter from a civilian helicopter?
And do local and state units generally use helicopters to spot outdoor grows (and FLIR neighborhoods) or just the DEA and their METs (mobile enforcement teams)?
I know black unmarked helicopters are a dead giveway as to not being civilian, but especially in my area these kinds of helicopters are just the military running training exercises (as there are several bases in my area).
What kinds of colors will they use? Will they generally stick to blues and whites?
Noticable flags or insigneas that may be on the helicopter?
In the documentary "In Pot We Trust" I noticed a strange looking radar like device on the front of the helicopter, would such a device usually be indicative of a police helicopter? How would a person know that helicopter they saw is a police vehicle and not a civilian one going out for a tour?
Also in the documentary I mentioned, it tells how the San Fransico MET is led by a man who has a special "disability" allowing him to see many different shades of green, whereas most people can only distinguish between a few shades. This allows him to be high in the sky in a chopper and spot outdoor grows easily by seeing the varying shade of green that cannabis is from the other plants and trees. I was wondering if you know of other techniques/people like this that the DEA may employ, aside from the ones mentioned already in your video. |
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socrateez
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Hmmn, good question. 
I'm going to find that movie. |
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von
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: |
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thats true it played on showtime. ' in pot we trust' Det. Steve Reed San Diego sheriff California. he was credited for eradicating and arrest with assets last year of 11. millon. he said he has a special vision that can see a cannabis plant from a plane when no one else can, he said because the color of the plant is different than regular brush. 
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High Man
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| You can find it in parts on youtube if you search for it but I would just *Deleted reference* sorry we cant refer to those.(socrateez) its a much better quality. |
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socrateez
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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 I know what you mean though. |
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Barry
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What are some of the ways that could be used to spot a (undercover?) police helicopter from a civilian helicopter? |
If it's in the air, assume it's a cop! Police borrow choppers from the U.S. Military, hospitals and private individuals if they don't have one of their own.
| Quote: | | And do local and state units generally use helicopters to spot outdoor grows (and FLIR neighborhoods) or just the DEA and their METs (mobile enforcement teams)? |
All agencies who work drug enforcement will use choppers. It is illegal to FLIR a residence without a warrant but cops FLIR and keep it a secret. After discovering an indoor grow with FLIR, they use another reason to raid such as "I smell the odor of marijuana coming from the house."
| Quote: | | In the documentary "In Pot We Trust" I noticed a strange looking radar like device on the front of the helicopter, would such a device usually be indicative of a police helicopter? |
The device sounds like a FLIR camera. Was it globe shaped and mounted underneath in the front? In NeverGetRaided I have great footage of one of these FLIR set ups.
| Quote: | | Also in the documentary I mentioned, it tells how the San Fransico MET is led by a man who has a special "disability" allowing him to see many different shades of green, whereas most people can only distinguish between a few shades. This allows him to be high in the sky in a chopper and spot outdoor grows easily by seeing the varying shade of green that cannabis is from the other plants and trees. |
I don't believe this and think it is BS but am not discounting it. It is more likely this "specially gifted cop" is receiving tips from a person in the military who can fly at 50,000 feet and use certain technology to find cannabis by using color differentiation. The military WILL NOT testify in court about this technology because it is classified. This prevents the military from using the technology to make arrest because courts cannot examine the effectiveness of the technology. There have been reports that upon landing, the military secretly gives a police friend the info. The police friend then climbs into a chopper and flies over claiming the pot plants as if he discovered them unaided. I would love to have the chance to cross-examine this so called "bionic vision officer."
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von
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: vision |
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i dont want to push this subject but its good info. Det. Steve Reed with super vision. ' in the documentry he said. quote: he has a vision color problem that allowes him to see about 50 shades of green and the normal man can see 5 to 10 shades of green. he also said he can go out to look for marijuana and have long hair and be a hippie and a cop too. 'unquote'
i think Barry is right on the nose, Det.reed knew about it before hand.
peace & stop eradication |
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High Man
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The device sounds like a FLIR camera. Was it globe shaped and mounted underneath in the front? In NeverGetRaided I have great footage of one of these FLIR set ups. |
Yes it was globe shaped if my memory serves correctly.... Good to know...
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I don't believe this and think it is BS but am not discounting it. It is more likely this "specially gifted cop" is receiving tips from a person in the military who can fly at 50,000 feet and use certain technology to find cannabis by using color differentiation. The military WILL NOT testify in court about this technology because it is classified. This prevents the military from using the technology to make arrest because courts cannot examine the effectiveness of the technology. There have been reports that upon landing, the military secretly gives a police friend the info. The police friend then climbs into a chopper and flies over claiming the pot plants as if he discovered them unaided. I would love to have the chance to cross-examine this so called "bionic vision officer." |
I have heard of this classified technology but I didn't give it a second thought until now!
I had heard that Canadian (not American) police/government was using specially developed satellite technology that can differentiate between colors and pick out fields of cannabis from other vegetation. I forget where they said the technology was developed, but it does just what you describe. I believe they said they use satellites in space though, they don't need to do fly overs with planes. I wish I could find the article I read on it now...
I would not discount what you say and assume that our military has that technology and uses it and gives information to police agencies. I would also agree with you that the police officer I previously mentioned probably has no special disability to see color as he describes, he is rather getting his information from military sources using that technology.
I know this question will seem rather up in the air, but in your opinion, how much would you say that this military technology is being used? The technology I believe is better for picking out large fields rather than single plants, but from what I read about what the Canadians use they can even find smaller, more sparse patches.
I wish you could test this officer and his vision claims, that would be a hoot!
Thanks for answering my questions, I have a million more but I won't ask them all now LoL[/i] |
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TwiztidK
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Today I was doing this internship thing at the local power company. Oddly enough, I ended up spending some time with a guy who's job is to fly around in a helicopter with FLIR and look at the poles and wires to see if any are losing too much heat. Which just goes to show that not all FLIR'ed up helicopters are police. |
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von
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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twiztidk, thanks for spreading that good info. someone may incounter a chopper and see that they are looking at poles and wires not houses and not panic. way kool. 
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socrateez
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| TwiztidK wrote: | | Today I was doing this internship thing at the local power company. Oddly enough, I ended up spending some time with a guy who's job is to fly around in a helicopter with FLIR and look at the poles and wires to see if any are losing too much heat. Which just goes to show that not all FLIR'ed up helicopters are police. |
Knowing that just makes me wonder if surveillance is easier for Law Enforcement because it doesnt look unusual to scope out neighborhoods using Utility Company flight patterns. |
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