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Joe
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Should let him post whatever he wants......
Because he can call me doper......reeferhead :lol; (my personal favorite), and all other sorts of things....
He can lift my own phrases (woefully out of his depth), which is no surprise....he cuts and pastes everything also.....
And........
In the end?....
He still won't have addressed this: 
| High Man wrote: | So say for example a grower sent out samples of his plant for lab testing and they came back saying they contained 22% THC by dry weight then it would be safe to say the plant as a whole contains 22% THC by dry weight.
25%!!! ONE FOURTH (just about, science is never exact), of an entire plant is just THC. |
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A strain that been altered to grow fast and low, like lowrider, allows you to flower it after only a few months vegetation time.
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Drying and curing will do nothing if the plant wasn’t grown properly.
Drying and curing does not increase trichome or THC production in any way, nor will it convert THC acids to usable THC. It only dries the bud out. This may make it smoke better and may improve taste, but no real study has been done on such factors.
the ratio of THC to CBD in a plant remains fixed.
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High Man
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I think there is more than just one side here, and I also feel I am being confused with numerous other people who have tried to have discussions with joe. I don't know why I am being singled out but I have remained civil to joe (even though he has not to me).
Why don't you remove his posts where he has personally attacked me and others?
Removing probably his last 3 or so posts would be a pretty good start, so long as we are in the act of removing posts and censoring people now.
Cause seriously, if your going to let his stuff stay up, I may as well repost what I said since it is much more civil than the strings of ad homs he posts. |
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Joe
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| dawsonspaw wrote: | I tend to agree with Highman,BUT the personal attacks on BOTH sides need to be abated,I have kept up with this ongoing flame job,and think that Joe needs to back off,pressing his knowledge,if he wants to start a new post,and giving step by step instructions,and not freaking out if somebody disagrees with him.  |
Freaking out?........
Maybe you should read through thread again.......
While your at it?....read through his comments above ........(that were not addressed....that won't be addressed.....because that is what trolls do......)
He wants to address something?
How above the above before new round |
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Joe
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| High Man wrote: | I think there is more than just one side here, and I also feel I am being confused with numerous other people who have tried to have discussions with joe. I don't know why I am being singled out but I have remained civil to joe (even though he has not to me).
Why don't you remove his posts where he has personally attacked me and others?
Removing probably his last 3 or so posts would be a pretty good start, so long as we are in the act of removing posts and censoring people now.
Cause seriously, if your going to let his stuff stay up, I may as well repost what I said since it is much more civil than the strings of ad homs he posts. |
Here ya go buddy:
| High Man wrote: | So say for example a grower sent out samples of his plant for lab testing and they came back saying they contained 22% THC by dry weight then it would be safe to say the plant as a whole contains 22% THC by dry weight.
25%!!! ONE FOURTH (just about, science is never exact), of an entire plant is just THC. That is beyond anything in nature. It just would not happen under most natural circumstances. |
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A strain that been altered to grow fast and low, like lowrider, allows you to flower it after only a few months vegetation time.
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Drying and curing will do nothing if the plant wasn’t grown properly.
Drying and curing does not increase trichome or THC production in any way, nor will it convert THC acids to usable THC. It only dries the bud out. This may make it smoke better and may improve taste, but no real study has been done on such factors.
the ratio of THC to CBD in a plant remains fixed.
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Bet you weren't addressing these, we're ya?
Why don't we stay on 3 above |
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High Man
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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I don't need to address those joe, I already showed you were wrong.
THC within cannabis plants has increased over time, this is a well known fact. Maybe you should read a high times magazine or something?
Curing doesn't necessarily do anything to harvested cannabis other than dry it more (again see my posting to come in the curing thread). There is no evidence to really suggest otherwise. Claims that CBD is converted to THC acid and that THC acid is decarboxylated to THC during the curing process but I would put the burden of proof on you to show the exact mechanisms as to how this is done. I have tried to find them and am unable to find anything in scientific literature.
I don't know what kind of point you are trying to make about lowryder, other than that perhaps I misspoke. I probably should have said that it allows one to harvest after a few months time.
I don't know why you have to repeat your vapid nonsense over and over. Moderator where are you to delete these postings of joes huh?
You have failed to address any of my points I have made concerning THC content, the THC/CBD ratio, Mexican brick weed, Amsterdam, etc., etc, joe.
Maybe we should go back to the first posting you made where you say that trichomes do not come off due to heavy wind, rain, or handling  LoL ??? |
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Joe
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Why don't we stick with these 3....
| High Man wrote: | So say for example a grower sent out samples of his plant for lab testing and they came back saying they contained 22% THC by dry weight then it would be safe to say the plant as a whole contains 22% THC by dry weight.
25%!!! ONE FOURTH (just about, science is never exact), of an entire plant is just THC. That is beyond anything in nature. It just would not happen under most natural circumstances. |
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A strain that been altered to grow fast and low, like lowrider, allows you to flower it after only a few months vegetation time.
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Drying and curing will do nothing if the plant wasn’t grown properly.
Drying and curing does not increase trichome or THC production in any way, nor will it convert THC acids to usable THC. It only dries the bud out. This may make it smoke better and may improve taste, but no real study has been done on such factors.
the ratio of THC to CBD in a plant remains fixed.
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High Man
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Maybe we should stick with some of these comments you made joe before moving on to another round as you say 
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genetics are genetics
Many will state how outdoors is subjected to the elements, and the resin is "washed off", which is absurd, and, comparable to stating that rain washed one's tar (resin) roof off the top of their home or building.
The medias claims of "increased potency of modern marijuana" is fiction/propaganda,as all modern strains have been bred from plants on the earth for thousands of years.(Actually, the pure strains are coveted over "newer" in many cases)
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I could do this all night but really, I have to get back to my lab  |
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Joe
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know what kind of point you are trying to make about lowryder, other than that perhaps I misspoke. I probably should have said that it allows one to harvest after a few months time. |
You misspoke?....
I have news for you.....
All strains allow one to harvest after a couple months time..... |
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High Man
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Ain't nothing wrong with what I said joe, it's already been addressed.
Why do you have to keep trolling, repeating the same stuff that you have already been proven wrong on  ??
Not mature buddy  |
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Joe
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Quotes above "pro"...(term you used for yourself several posts above)
Quotes above.
Lowrider quote.......misspoke quote.....nothing occurring during cure quote...THC % total plant weight quote.......
Your right......it has already been addressed....
I think your better suited at the "Hannah Montana" forums.......even your trolling is amateur....
Your done man.....nothing else to say.....nice try. |
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socrateez
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I dont know who is right or who wrong. I'm not a grower and claim no expertise in this field. I'm a moderator and will not choose sides. I will however in the future lock this and any other thread that results in name calling or angry rants directed at other members.
When there is no clear way for the posters to resolve differences:
Lets agree to disagree and not let difference of opinion or information become a verbal contest. Let the readers decide fact from fiction.
IF you disagree with a poster, post your reasons and be prepared to show research or reliable information sources supporting your opposing argument. If not, I'll lock the thread if it gets out of hand.
Keep posting I love reading what ALL of you have to say.
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Joe
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I for one.......love talking with "pro's"....(I do it every day
Why don't we let Hymen tell us about how to set up a "lab".......
About his own....
About strains he's running...and their specifics, in detail |
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Mr.C
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High Man
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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With what strains joe?
Maybe you are talking about clones?
Most any seed needs to undergo some period of vegetation and then flowering. You can veg for a month or 2 with any seed before flowering but its not going to give you much bud as there is not enough time for the plant to store up sugars needed for calyx formation (or develop stems, leaves, etc).
Aside from an auto-flowering strain that allows for this to happen, the only possibility I know of would be to grow in an advanced setup such as one employing aeroponics, which will drastically increase production time and does allow for harvest within a few months time (and produces great bud too). Suffice to say, sure it could be done, but it ain't easy. If you have a better way, again you should really show it and provide the resources others can use to apply the knowledge.
As for curing, you should do what I did and search for information about curing, as it is not a cut and dry issue and I found information for both sides that leaves it to be an interesting debate that could go either way, but really does not seem to be answered, and is nothing neither you or I could answer without real scientific study. Suffice to say I will continue to look into the issue over time.
You can continue to show your lack of maturity by name calling (moderator???) but seriously now, even if I was growing, why would I tell you, or anyone, anything about it, in detail, on an open online internet forum? This forum is about NEVER GETTING BUSTED after all.
As a grower shouldn't you know rule number 1 is never say anything about your grow?
I could tell you how to set up a grow lab but I think there is plenty of information online for anyone who really wishes to grow. If someone does my recommendation would probably be an areoponics setup, I think they are real neat and efficient, though a bit advanced. For a strain I'd recommend Blackberry or Fucking Incredible, but thats just a personal preference. |
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