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palerider7777
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| Joe wrote: | | palerider7777 wrote: | | again i agree with the first part of this but again i have to diagree with u when u say it won't effect potency as the brick seeds i did went from brick to mid's and all the people i gave it to thought it was good mid's till i told them what it was and they could'nt believe it so i know what i know. |
Nothing goes from anything to anything....(You guys still talking the magical genetics touch......sorry......
You dried, clipped, and cured as one should. Period. (I assume from your claim
Your crediting your touch and skill to a miraculous outcome.
Doesn't work that way.
Never will.
G13xGF in, G13xGF out.
That's how it works
Period.
I'd be glad to discuss with anyone what they think they know.....as log as they realize that
I'm well aware of what I know, and don't.
And these topics are not one of em
Well aware
It tasted better and cleaner because was fresher and got better dry and cure so it therefore hit better and had more of a punch.....
Your talking apples and oranges....any way you slice it, same bud.... different dry and clip/cure.
With the reason and logic presented in this thread, maybe we should get everything in 20's we can get our hands on, grow it out, and, due to our magic and skill turn it into the worlds first 40%'ers
Doesn't sounds likely, does it
Cause it's not
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must be nice to know what everybody elses exp are why r u on here u should be rich by now with all the stuff u know u sound full of urself.i need to take sum advice i heard b4 "never argue with an idiot cause they'll bring u down to there level and beat u with exp" as im gettin dumber the longer i talk to u im out. |
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Joe
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: lmfao |
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| palerider7777 wrote: | must be nice to know what everybody elses exp are
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When you have some knowledge and experience, you'll understand Either one does, or the do not. Nothing discussed is above even a novice year grower. All are the basics, I assure you....
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If you were but a fraction as intelligent as you believe yourself to be, you would have learned something instead
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palerider7777
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: lmfao |
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| Joe wrote: | | palerider7777 wrote: | must be nice to know what everybody elses exp are
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When you have some knowledge and experience, you'll understand Either one does, or the do not. Nothing discussed is above even a novice year grower. All are the basics, I assure you....
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im gettin dumber the longer i talk to u im out. |
If you were but a fraction as intelligent as you believe yourself to be, you would have learned something instead
Back to class. |
same goes for u too |
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Joe
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| palerider7777 wrote: | | same goes for u too |
I tried, but I was too busy correcting you 
You can't even teach me how to spell
Aren't you supposed to be in class bagseed boy?
(If you were also but a glimmer as intelligent as you think you are, you would also see the humor in someone growing out brick seed debating potency and genetics and proclaiming their vast knoledge
Now THAT IS funny....
Sorry to sound like a prick, but, you got people walking around spreading completely bogus info and then trying to "set me straight" ......Good luck....and, from what I have seen (grow labs, all the other ridiculous stuff)...We're not doing fantasy camp....kiddie board is 3 doors down....I'll talk reality, but, not for a moment going to let BS slip by (by non growers, by amateur growers, etc) Only 1 or two have actually indicated any knowledge...You don't have it? Fine, first step to getting it is listening instead of talking....no shame in not knowing.....everyone starts somewhere....The greater offense is one proclaiming they do know when they don't..... |
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socrateez
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Perhaps of note.
I have been fortunate enough to sample quite a few modern popular varieties grown indoors. Smoking that is, not growing. Most of my experience with out door grown are mexi-weed. Whatever that is. I started in the early eighties in Cali. Mexi was real trash then compared to Skunk and others grown at that time.
OK, back to modern times. Recently I been trying Mexi-weed that has been grown indoors. Lots of experimenters here. I gotta say its pretty damn good when taken care of. It's sold cheaper here cause it seems to be mostly Sativas and the buds are alot looser than most smokers here prefer when buying "Dank". High quality is near that of any indoor bud Ive tried. I can see the quality/yield relationship if perhaps from a little different perspective.  |
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| socrateez wrote: | Perhaps of note.
I have been fortunate enough to sample quite a few modern popular varieties grown indoors. Smoking that is, not growing. Most of my experience with out door grown are mexi-weed. Whatever that is. I started in the early eighties in Cali.
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Well, if your in Cali than surely you understand the earlier "Amsterdam is for tourists" ...(if your 215 I assume you really understand ...Amsterdam ....yyyyyeah...Try Oaksterdam instead You guys produce a lot out there also, southwest also (US)..Oregon,Washington,etc...so, that's another thing...that finds a lot of it's way further North and East and since packed down, people assume really nice mexibrick when really domestic....
Same as above...people assume Mexico, but, could be anywhere central America, further down, Phillipines, etc.....lot of farms also changed over genetics last couple years and worked a little more on their skills a little, ya know? Whole world produces it, so, unless your pulling it off the freighter down there, you really have no idea origin...ya know? (Lot comes in Canada docks also....can't ship straight into US, so, Mexico,central America or Canada....lot easier to get loads in there instead of US...
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Mexi was real trash then compared to Skunk and others grown at that time.
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Skunk what I was referring to earlier......you got several breeders working on it.......can't really be found (true RKS....) Great example of something 80's now almost extinct and prized/in demand...
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OK, back to modern times. Recently I been trying Mexi-weed that has been grown indoors. Lots of experimenters here. I gotta say its pretty damn good when taken care of.
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I totally agree man, 100%....I just disagree with the fact that ones magic skills can turn a 7% into a 14% (genetically not possible....anyone who even hints it IS possible then can NOT argue turning a 25 into a 50
which is, impossible
It's the cure and care (because, as anyone would agree....can't compare sun, outside , near the equator to a 1k
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It's sold cheaper here cause it seems to be mostly Sativas and the buds are alot looser than most smokers here prefer when buying "Dank". High quality is near that of any indoor bud Ive tried. I can see the quality/yield relationship if perhaps from a little different perspective. |
Well, yield starts with medium outside (hole, then nutes), indoors, light (same as out), genetics...nutes...(in without nutes of course not compared to out..a lot of soil possesses something....so....)
It's more though I think that it's not to bad to start out with...(WW mentioned earlier.....well, WW from, what Brazilian stock?....so......)
Lot to be said for a good dry and cure....as you obviously see, because, it's the same when cut there....so...(genetics are genetics...)....anything bad, and most of the time it's merely the trip, since cut, etc...people don't know...loads can sit for 9 months before reaches a paper...so.....
floros............a 400.....a 600.....a small hole up north....a large hole down south........1k's......
All going to produce different sized plants...(density is light related...and genetics.....out?...also hole.....so...small hole, lot of sun?...might be smaller due to hole alone, but will be tight.......600's?......fine.....good results......slightly larger/sender if under a 1k?...absolutely.........nice 4 x 4 hole, fully prepped, northern sky?...huge plant, enormous yields, but, would be higher yield if 4 x 4 hole prepped on equator.....
All common knowledge.....
But......
It would always remain the same bud/genetics.
While my black and white kid analogy above was obnoxious......it is true
This is why genetics are what they are (as far as what is preferred, what is available, etc......)
Because each and every strain produces a certain plant, and certain characteristics, and people want those specific characteristics...
Like saying no, or minimal difference between SSH,SB,BB,WW,etc, etc......
All would agree each and every one has distinct characteristics...from growth, color, aroma,potency,characteristics of the buzz...
This is why people select specific genetics to run.
Because you want something specific
(one guy earlier...all brick is same strain...."the mexican strain"
50-60 countries, 5,000 farms, 10,000 strains....(plus all strains available on retail market, then strains unique to US over time....the new being developed, etc...
Each with individual and specific characteristics genetically determined.
"All wine is from Europe...it's European wine"
C'monnnnnnnnn ....same thing...if anyone said that you'd question where their medication is...
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And frankly all of that is what makes this topic as a whole, ridiculous....
You grow out 100 of a "uniform" strain, "12%"" strain, and, what do you think your gonna get?
One might be sweet, one might be sour........one might be taller?...one might be shorter......if a 60/40?.and 80/20?..one side might lean to sativa.....and one side might lean more indica........some will be 13.5%...some will be 7%....some will be 9%....
What are known test figures of strains?
Test figures for strains are a specific single individual that the breeder submitted....what you grow may be exact....may be better (if lucky)...or, may be worse......even if things are "stable"...and "uniform".....
"I used a mother(s) and father(s) for a breeding program, made a stock out of it...grew out 500, and picked the best one to test"
% rates on strains are merely rough guidelines....
One finds a special mother?.....all clones will be identical, but, you lose that mother, and, have to grow out again from seed to find another?...(if not a clone only to start with.. Could be hard, could be easy..
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palerider7777
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| Joe wrote: | | socrateez wrote: | Perhaps of note.
I have been fortunate enough to sample quite a few modern popular varieties grown indoors. Smoking that is, not growing. Most of my experience with out door grown are mexi-weed. Whatever that is. I started in the early eighties in Cali.
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Well, if your in Cali than surely you understand the earlier "Amsterdam is for tourists" ...(if your 215 I assume you really understand ...Amsterdam ....yyyyyeah...Try Oaksterdam instead You guys produce a lot out there also, southwest also (US)..Oregon,Washington,etc...so, that's another thing...that finds a lot of it's way further North and East and since packed down, people assume really nice mexibrick when really domestic....
Same as above...people assume Mexico, but, could be anywhere central America, further down, Phillipines, etc.....lot of farms also changed over genetics last couple years and worked a little more on their skills a little, ya know? Whole world produces it, so, unless your pulling it off the freighter down there, you really have no idea origin...ya know? (Lot comes in Canada docks also....can't ship straight into US, so, Mexico,central America or Canada....lot easier to get loads in there instead of US...
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Skunk what I was referring to earlier......you got several breeders working on it.......can't really be found (true RKS....) Great example of something 80's now almost extinct and prized/in demand...
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OK, back to modern times. Recently I been trying Mexi-weed that has been grown indoors. Lots of experimenters here. I gotta say its pretty damn good when taken care of.
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I totally agree man, 100%....I just disagree with the fact that ones magic skills can turn a 7% into a 14% (genetically not possible....anyone who even hints it IS possible then can NOT argue turning a 25 into a 50
which is, impossible
It's the cure and care (because, as anyone would agree....can't compare sun, outside , near the equator to a 1k
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It's sold cheaper here cause it seems to be mostly Sativas and the buds are alot looser than most smokers here prefer when buying "Dank". High quality is near that of any indoor bud Ive tried. I can see the quality/yield relationship if perhaps from a little different perspective. |
Well, yield starts with medium outside (hole, then nutes), indoors, light (same as out), genetics...nutes...(in without nutes of course not compared to out..a lot of soil possesses something....so....)
It's more though I think that it's not to bad to start out with...(WW mentioned earlier.....well, WW from, what Brazilian stock?....so......)
Lot to be said for a good dry and cure....as you obviously see, because, it's the same when cut there....so...(genetics are genetics...)....anything bad, and most of the time it's merely the trip, since cut, etc...people don't know...loads can sit for 9 months before reaches a paper...so.....
floros............a 400.....a 600.....a small hole up north....a large hole down south........1k's......
All going to produce different sized plants...(density is light related...and genetics.....out?...also hole.....so...small hole, lot of sun?...might be smaller due to hole alone, but will be tight.......600's?......fine.....good results......slightly larger/sender if under a 1k?...absolutely.........nice 4 x 4 hole, fully prepped, northern sky?...huge plant, enormous yields, but, would be higher yield if 4 x 4 hole prepped on equator.....
All common knowledge.....
But......
It would always remain the same bud/genetics.
While my black and white kid analogy above was obnoxious......it is true
This is why genetics are what they are (as far as what is preferred, what is available, etc......)
Because each and every strain produces a certain plant, and certain characteristics, and people want those specific characteristics...
Like saying no, or minimal difference between SSH,SB,BB,WW,etc, etc......
All would agree each and every one has distinct characteristics...from growth, color, aroma,potency,characteristics of the buzz...
This is why people select specific genetics to run.
Because you want something specific
(one guy earlier...all brick is same strain...."the mexican strain"
50-60 countries, 5,000 farms, 10,000 strains....(plus all strains available on retail market, then strains unique to US over time....the new being developed, etc...
Each with individual and specific characteristics genetically determined.
"All wine is from Europe...it's European wine"
C'monnnnnnnnn ....same thing...if anyone said that you'd question where their medication is...
I'm just sayin |
i can see ur brain dead, no one said they could raise the % of a certin strain. i said if it's grown outdoors and picked whenever and not taken care of it's not gonna be no where near it's peak. compared to an indoor grow where everything is being spoon fed to the plant. so say a strain that say has a thc% of 15% when treated like shit is not gonna be 15% but piss poor. due to it not getting what it needs + not being cured dried right +not being plucked at the right time as brick weed is. so instead of 15% it's more like 10% or lower. so when giving the same strain everything it needs and pampered it will be 15%. so tell me im wrong again, mr teacher know it all / u df ur name calling shows ur exp lol |
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Brute4291
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Joe, Living here on the border i know for a fact that the bricks come from mexico. If the drug cartels transported it all the way from central america to the US with these outrageous gas prices the price of the bud would sky rocket.
There have even been reports of the cartels growing around midland TX. Which shows that they want to be as close to the buyers as possible.
And for all we know this bud could be the best we have ever smoked. But because it is grown improperly we will never know how good it really can be. The growers of this drug cartel weed, Dont pick the males, dont let it finish flowering, and pack it into bricks which knocks off many of the tricombs.
Although it is not the same strain they are all pretty much pure sativa. I know this from experience, Sometimes you will get some that is more potent or less, some with more hairs but all in all its the same thing. The same "mexi" taste and the same stone.
As I've watched videos posted on the forum, i see that the potency is not all based on the genetics alone but by the type and amount of light the plants receives. for instance if we took some outdoor grown bud from north cali, and some outdoor grown bud from lets say comlumbia which will be more potent. If the genetics are the same, and they are both grown properly. The answer would be comlumbia, there is mroe sunlight and more UVB. |
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palerider7777
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| Brute4291 wrote: | Joe, Living here on the border i know for a fact that the bricks come from mexico. If the drug cartels transported it all the way from central america to the US with these outrageous gas prices the price of the bud would sky rocket.
There have even been reports of the cartels growing around midland TX. Which shows that they want to be as close to the buyers as possible.
And for all we know this bud could be the best we have ever smoked. But because it is grown improperly we will never know how good it really can be. The growers of this drug cartel weed, Dont pick the males, dont let it finish flowering, and pack it into bricks which knocks off many of the tricombs.
Although it is not the same strain they are all pretty much pure sativa. I know this from experience, Sometimes you will get some that is more potent or less, some with more hairs but all in all its the same thing. The same "mexi" taste and the same stone.
As I've watched videos posted on the forum, i see that the potency is not all based on the genetics alone but by the type and amount of light the plants receives. for instance if we took some outdoor grown bud from north cali, and some outdoor grown bud from lets say comlumbia which will be more potent. If the genetics are the same, and they are both grown properly. The answer would be comlumbia, there is mroe sunlight and more UVB. |
about time someone with a brain shows up. i agree |
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Joe
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| Brute4291 wrote: | Joe, Living here on the border i know for a fact that the bricks come from mexico. If the drug cartels transported it all the way from central america to the US with these outrageous gas prices the price of the bud would sky rocket.
There have even been reports of the cartels growing around midland TX. Which shows that they want to be as close to the buyers as possible.
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US mexi grows have been linked to a dozen states. Being close is nice.Not losing 30% of your loads is even nicer.
So where would you then say the other 50 countries annual production goes to?
$5,000 in fuel is not a problem on a 3,000lb load,...I guarantee.....(actually, what they are doing is they are putting the whitey and H inside the bales for all and one shots and to try and cut penalties for transport......)
I'm sure living on the border provides great inside into world movement
Central enormous producer, half of South America,Large portion of Africa, Europe is the new thing for larger ops, and, Asia always a huge producer, not to mention Carribean. (You can look up production, or estimated for each country if you like....)
We're a the largest global consumer....you can't ship enough through.
Now, furthermore, if one was to entertain for a moment Mexico's annual production, vs. US annual consumption....you might see a little gap
That may be what you choose to believe my friend, but, your thinking very local. The truth is far different, and the world a much larger place
(Simply: You get rid of what you have, you broker the rest ...How it's always been, and always will be.
You can research, you can look it up, you can track major cases and loads, you can check archives....
And you would probably find the same...
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And for all we know this bud could be the best we have ever smoked. But because it is grown improperly we will never know how good it really can be. The growers of this drug cartel weed, Dont pick the males, dont let it finish flowering, and pack it into bricks which knocks off many of the tricombs.
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Your grouping the entire globe under a single practice(s). Do you really believe 1,000 farms run by 500 different or more people run them exactly the same?...
I'm sure you don't, because that would be no different from saying 1000 US, or Canada, or U&K growers are all exactly the same.
If you compact to brick, the only place the trichs fall are in the brick
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Although it is not the same strain they are all pretty much pure sativa. I know this from experience, Sometimes you will get some that is more potent or less, some with more hairs but all in all its the same thing. The same "mexi" taste and the same stone.
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It depends what region and who produced...southern hemisphere is of course sativas if native....different region, different product.... some running different genetics....all strains home to somewhere....
Every region, has different strain.....
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As I've watched videos posted on the forum, i see that the potency is not all based on the genetics alone but by the type and amount of light the plants receives. for instance if we took some outdoor grown bud from north cali, and some outdoor grown bud from lets say comlumbia which will be more potent. If the genetics are the same, and they are both grown properly. The answer would be comlumbia, there is mroe sunlight and more UVB. |
I have not disagreed anywhere a minor different under different conditions is not possible.....(not documented...yet.....never have seen data regarding 2 identical clones done in 10 different regions under as close conditions as possible).
Goes back to original point......take 10 identical clones, different conditions and regions (rooms), and, of course, might see a slight different (10-11....15-15.6....but, not going to see any significant difference.....
I don't consider a .75 percent something to stamp feet about...
Furthermore, we really don't know, which makes this all ridiculous speculation, what harvest times due to potency.....(pick easy, mid, late, etc......can affect characteristics...ut, we don't know potency...something might very well test out highest if someone waited and let something go...but, might mean absolutely nothing at all, because they prefer it 9 days earlier..(the buzz)...so...
I've seen links you've put up before btw.....Mr. "THC content is dry weight" should take a look at em sometime :biglaugh:
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| palerider7777 wrote: | | with a brain shows up. i agree |
Your like those little dogs that nip at your heels......
Like your sig.........why don't you pull up those pants and stand up straight...
I have a unique quality it seems.....I don't make statements unless i know of what I speak.
When I do not, I sit and listen.
Try it some time..(cause you need it man ).... |
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palerider7777
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| Joe wrote: | | palerider7777 wrote: | | with a brain shows up. i agree |
Your like those little dogs that nip at your heels......
Like your sig.........why don't you pull up those pants and stand up straight...
I have a unique quality it seems.....I don't make statements unless i know of what I speak.
When I do not, I sit and listen.
Try it some time..(cause you need it man ).... |
lmfao u talken all that smack about how good and smart u are and tell me i can't spell, and half of what u just wrote is spelled wrong lmao ur a funny lil kid |
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| palerider7777 wrote: | | lmfao u talken all that smack about how good and smart u are and tell me i can't spell, and half of what u just wrote is spelled wrong lmao ur a funny lil kid |
Yep. How'd you know.....add troll school onto grow school
She let you out of that purse tonight?.....
And btw little boy...
Nowhere I made any sort of personal claims.....I'm sorry that I make you feel so inadequate....
It is what it is....I did not discuss what I have done, where I have been, or what I know....
Merely what is......
You wanna talk knowledge and experience?....
Feel free..cause you haven't yet..
Go run your bagseed under floros....
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| Joe wrote: | | palerider7777 wrote: | | lmfao u talken all that smack about how good and smart u are and tell me i can't spell, and half of what u just wrote is spelled wrong lmao ur a funny lil kid |
Yep. How'd you know.....add troll school onto grow school
She let you out of that purse tonight?..... |
ur the troll downing everyone and no matter who talks u talk down to them like there stupid so yea im the troll |
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