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trober
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Location: oregon
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so we have a new member on the boards. sharpend43.
he is a cop. i am a grower. we will be discussing both sides of the coin in a RESPECTFUL manor. first off, i would like to welcome him AND his knowledge here. I am a firm believer in knowledge being power. |
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sharpend43
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Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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Location: Newark DE
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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like I told trober, I will discuss some tactics/
or any legal issues etc, but will never attempt to give you tips to avoid arrest if you are committing crimes. Nor will I ever divulge any info that I feel would ever place any LEO in harms way.
With that said, I guess with me, its out in the open. I am a cop and I love being one. i believe cops are the most visible representative of the govt and should always act above board.
I will be respectful and will only use a little sarcasm. With that said, I would expect the same. |
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trober
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Location: oregon
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| so how did you hear about barry's video and what brought you to the website. have you seen the video? |
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dawsonspaw
Pink Floydian slip
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Location: Tennessee
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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welcome to the board sharpend43,it is good to have another LEO on board,sometimes a little sarcasm isn't a bad thing.  |
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trober
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Joined: 12 Mar 2008
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Location: oregon
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| so sharp...have you ever smoked AND inhaled marijuana? Do you believe there IS medicinal value in the plant if used properly (vaporizing pure thc hash). do you think if it were legalized AND regulated like "they" are so good at doing with every other lucrative industry, that it could end the deaths and neggative side effects you see all so often. like barry said, LOGIC. Do you think all 18 million americans that smoke pot are criminals? they had to get it from somewhere right, so they should ALL be caught in sting operations and put in jail away from family and have a conviction follow them for the rest of their lives. my felony is 15 years old and i still cant get a job cause of it. Do you as a cop really take everyone to jail fer a little weed reguardless of their personal circumstances? As a medical marijuana patient here in oregon, i can tell ou that people ARENT exploiting the program as much as the MEDIA wants you to think. IF you use reason and logic like barry says, the people growing weed for the money, DONT GO TO THE STATE AND GET THEIR MEDICAL MARIJUANA CARD TO EXPLOIT IT. WHY? they want to grow way more than the program will allow, so they say fuk it and go stealth. Most of the folks in the medical marijuana program are elderly people to even my surprise, who are good people who use the drug for the right reasons. this is getting too long, so ima stop here....... |
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sharpend43
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Location: Newark DE
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | so sharp...have you ever smoked AND inhaled marijuana? Do you believe there IS medicinal value in the plant if used properly (vaporizing pure thc hash). do you think if it were legalized AND regulated like "they" are so good at doing with every other lucrative industry, that it could end the deaths and neggative side effects you see all so often. like barry said, LOGIC. Do you think all 18 million americans that smoke pot are criminals? they had to get it from somewhere right, so they should ALL be caught in sting operations and put in jail away from family and have a conviction follow them for the rest of their lives. my felony is 15 years old and i still cant get a job cause of it. Do you as a cop really take everyone to jail fer a little weed reguardless of their personal circumstances? As a medical marijuana patient here in oregon, i can tell ou that people ARENT exploiting the program as much as the MEDIA wants you to think. IF you use reason and logic like barry says, the people growing weed for the money, DONT GO TO THE STATE AND GET THEIR MEDICAL MARIJUANA CARD TO EXPLOIT IT. WHY? they want to grow way more than the program will allow, so they say fuk it and go stealth. Most of the folks in the medical marijuana program are elderly people to even my surprise, who are good people who use the drug for the right reasons. this is getting too long, so ima stop here....... |
I had to quote you cuz this is so long and you asked a crap load of questions... lmao.
first, when i was in high school, yes smoked weed a few times. not my thing, but cest la vie.
As far as medicinal value in marijuana, I dont have enough expertise to really say. Some chemical engineer friends seem to think so, obviously I see its value as a chronic pain remedy for chronic patients.
If it was legalized, many of the social ills may be able to be addressed b/c it will be regulated. But I think if it is ever legalized we should be prepared for other back end costs. like tobacco, it will be abused and there will be costs to our society as well. Overall, I do lean towards controlling marijuana as a legal controlled item like tobaccco. With that said, that is not the law of the land, nor do I ever think it will be.
Much like alcohol during prohibition, the illicit profits and the like that marijuana now generates are at the root of its social ills.
As far as arresting everyone who has a joint, of course not, or that is all I would ever do. Reality as to factor in here. As far the 18 million who smoke marijuana, what if they didnt? think of all that money that would not go to criminal enterprises that now flows right to their coffers. We need to look at the economics of that and be honest.
Is that money helping our country, state, city, town?? what if all that money went into the legit economy ? would that be better, of course it would.
as far as distributing it, you get what you get.... I mean if yr state is anything like mine, they give you 2 -3 plea bargains for marijuana distribution before you actually get a felony conviction. Trust me I have argued with many prosecutors over significant marijuana busts that were pled down to almost nothing. lets face it, marijuana gets brushed aside at most trials, you are much more likely to get a harsh sentence for crack, X, or heroin.
Medical marijuana, hmmmm
i know i said its ok with me, but would really need to be regulated big time, in the right way. And the DEA will never give up going after the distributors, at least not now. just look at CA.
I understand yr point about folks going underground, I really do, My brothers friend had very bad cancer and he did that. That i guess is an individual decision.
And no I wouldnt bust him. He passed away unfortuantely. My brother told me about after the fact. |
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Brute4291
Mod-er-rater?
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Sharp, if your interested in reading about medical marijuana there is a book called "Marihuana the forbidden medicine" By Lester Grinspoon, M.D.
It pretty interesting there are tons of uses shown in this.
If your interested. |
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Bongzilla
Stoned On The Mountain
Joined: 03 Oct 2007
Posts: 243
Location: Mountains in E Oregon
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Sharp, you mentioned the potential problems associated with legalization. What could they really be??? Kids get drugs now easier than they do alcohol, yet alcohol remains the largest health issue. As well as being the largest reason for ER visits associated with any intoxicant for kids? Now they want to outlaw salvia because kids are doing it.
I persoally recognize prohibition as the true menace to our society, it ruins lives and tears families apart.
Please watch this vid. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sq8c_Si8S8Y.
The was on drugs is a war on personal freedom |
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sharpend43
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Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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Location: Newark DE
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: |
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thanks, I will pick that book up.
I appreciate it.
As far as the legalization problems, I see it just like alcohol, we should be prepared for folks to abuse it, crash cars, etc. It is a factor to consider. With no more legal problem, people will have unfettered acess. It will cause some problems.
I mean it could be done, Just a factor to think about. |
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socrateez
Cannabis Castaway
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 1152
Location: Sittin in a cave, high as hell......
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| sharpend43 wrote: | thanks, I will pick that book up.
I appreciate it.
As far as the legalization problems, I see it just like alcohol, we should be prepared for folks to abuse it, crash cars, etc. It is a factor to consider. With no more legal problem, people will have unfettered acess. It will cause some problems.
I mean it could be done, Just a factor to think about. |
Noone will argue that. The number of dumbasses in the world is relatively constant. Logical lesser of two evils if you ask me.
If twice as many people started toking up, i doubt accidents and such will even begin to approach current Alchohol impact levels.
I'm for regulation and minimum age requirements. Hell we can still keep the DEA and go after the foreign traffickers if they play it right. Make money at home protecting and regulating our crops and still make money pushing around third world countries who try to edge in on the black market. See? We could all be happy!
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Bongzilla
Stoned On The Mountain
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Location: Mountains in E Oregon
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| socrateez wrote: | | sharpend43 wrote: | thanks, I will pick that book up.
I appreciate it.
As far as the legalization problems, I see it just like alcohol, we should be prepared for folks to abuse it, crash cars, etc. It is a factor to consider. With no more legal problem, people will have unfettered acess. It will cause some problems.
I mean it could be done, Just a factor to think about. |
Noone will argue that. The number of dumbasses in the world is relatively constant. Logical lesser of two evils if you ask me.
If twice as many people started toking up, i doubt accidents and such will even begin to approach current Alchohol impact levels.
I'm for regulation and minimum age requirements. Hell we can still keep the DEA and go after the foreign traffickers if they play it right. Make money at home protecting and regulating our crops and still make money pushing around third world countries who try to edge in on the black market. See? We could all be happy!
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It sounds like sharpend has been eating up the lies we all have been fed. The least bit of research shows the drug war has always been based on racism and blatant lies. The problem is that the populace bought into the propaganda. The culture is changing slowly... Hell at least the guy is willing to carry on with some debate. |
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progrocker
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Hi sharp.
I have a few statements, then a question.
Cannabis is THE cure for cancer.
http://cannabisculture.com/articles/5169.html
I have seen the HEAVY users, light users and all shades in between. (I am a 4-7 times a week guy)
From what I have seen there is more potential abuse risks for caffiene than there is for marijuana. Hell, it kills more people every year and is more addictive.
Driving abilities are not nearly as impaired with marijuana as they are with alcohol. In fact, some people drive better under the influence because they get paranoid and focus more.
You compared marijuana to tobacco. Tobacco kills hundreds of thousands of people per year, marijuana kills zero.
Marijuana makes me and alot of others I know, MORE peaceful.
In small amounts it can cure depression. Along with a series of other diseases.
Hemp can be used for a multitude of supplies and resourses.
what social backlash are you talking about?
How can you justify arresting people for the best plant to ever have grown on this planet?
(besides corn I guess) |
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trober
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Joined: 12 Mar 2008
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Location: oregon
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: true |
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it's not a matter of convincing the government weed is good and not bad. they know its good...thats why its illegal. |
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socrateez
Cannabis Castaway
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 1152
Location: Sittin in a cave, high as hell......
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: Re: true |
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| trober wrote: | .
it's not a matter of convincing the government weed is good and not bad. they know its good...thats why its illegal. |
That is soo true! |
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trox9999
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Location: Canada
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I haven't even read past the 4th post but I want to say this is a great discussion and also wonder why Marijuana has to be controlled at all, dangerous products should be controlled, actually should not be controlled they shouldn't even be considered by a government it makes zero sense to me.
But MJ is not harmful really so I think because it has no lethal limit everyone should just grow it out like they would a plant in their backyard and then their would be no fuss. I somtimes wonder why the government controlls things the only thing that comes to mind is control=money=power! |
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