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Vendico
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| whiskey_pen wrote: | 10 points to the first entrepreneur who develops a stash box with a positive pressure system--lol.
Anyhoo, none of this theorizing will do any good unless we can test them out! How much does it cost to rent drug dogs? |
omg I was soo thinking about this 2 months ago. I was thinking about how CDC does it with buildings, then just downsize it. |
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FZRaven
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Vendico wrote: | | whiskey_pen wrote: | 10 points to the first entrepreneur who develops a stash box with a positive pressure system--lol.
Anyhoo, none of this theorizing will do any good unless we can test them out! How much does it cost to rent drug dogs? |
omg I was soo thinking about this 2 months ago. I was thinking about how CDC does it with buildings, then just downsize it. |
Why would you want a positive pressure system? It's going to push the smell out of the container. A better system would be a sealed container under vacuum. You would need to filter the output air of the vac though.
A system I was thinking of would work this way....
You build a container out of milled alum, a cylinder would be nice. One end would have a removable cap, that would be vented. The other end would hold a vacuum and a respirator cartridge. it could plug into your cig lighter outlet. The air would come in the front pass through the vac exhaust and out through the filter. I imagine a resp filter that can filter out toxic gas should be able to filter out the smell of cannabis.
Just an idea I had, no clue how well it would work. |
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Vendico
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What about a container enclosed in fluid or gel. Can the oder go through that?
What about aerogel? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel |
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FZRaven
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| aerojell would be the worst thing you could use, it's mostly all air. The scent would permeate out of that very fast. |
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Vendico
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| FZRaven wrote: | | aerojell would be the worst thing you could use, it's mostly all air. The scent would permeate out of that very fast. |
lol good point on aero gel. |
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wiccannabis
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I did recognize that douchefun was using steel as an example but found the whole tone of the first two pages of posts funny, in a sad way. Frankly, I think if he made an effort to spellcheck his work so we could all read AND understand it, he might get feedback he was happier with.
What if one used Rubbermaid-type containers - hold on, I know they are not impervious or impermeable. What I mean, as my example, is a series of plastic containers, like Russian nesting dolls. If one was careful to minimize exposure on the outside of the smallest one, then stopped and washed thoroughly between each container, could it stop the odors? How about if one used contact paper - the sticky kind - and wrapped each container before it went in to the next larger one, along with the washing in between packing each? Would there be a point at which it would work or would the number of containers needed become prohibitive?
Not to be arrogant or anything, but at least my example is testable by anyone, as the containers are easily available.
Thank you, narcdet, WildChild, FZRaven, Bongzilla, Barry - thank you everyone who takes the time to write coherently, spell check, etc. I usually stay away from any and all forums as they just demonstrate how poorly the educational system in this country is working. That and it's often too much effort trying to understand what some semi-illiterate is trying to say. Also very sad - who knows how many good ideas are being lost because the person can't articulate well enough for others to comprehend. |
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YouAreOurVoice
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| Quote: | What if one used Rubbermaid-type containers - hold on, I know they are not impervious or impermeable. What I mean, as my example, is a series of plastic containers, like Russian nesting dolls. If one was careful to minimize exposure on the outside of the smallest one, then stopped and washed thoroughly between each container, could it stop the odors? How about if one used contact paper - the sticky kind - and wrapped each container before it went in to the next larger one, along with the washing in between packing each? Would there be a point at which it would work or would the number of containers needed become prohibitive?
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All i can say is go watch Barry's dvd and you wouldn't even have asked that.
And as far as spell checking, your talking to people that are smoked up sitting on the pc late at night,LOL.We are not writing a letter to the president here.Its the Internet buddy chill out a little bit.Did you sit next to the teacher in school and correct everyones spelling?God i would hate to see you trying to text message someone on a cell phone. |
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socrateez
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I use spell check no matter how baked!  Wait, I'm usually baked. |
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dawsonspaw
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I use Firefox,it spell checks as I go.  |
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socrateez
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All you really need is something impermeable enough for X amount of time required to transport. Problem is there really is no accessible data on the odor permeability of various substances at various thicknesses and pressures. Guess work without a dog to verify or electronic sniffer.
If i were a smuggler (I'm not) I would invest in something to insure my methods of containment were effective. |
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socrateez
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I also thought I know absolutely nothing on the molecular sizes of the innumerable compounds that dogs might sniffing coming from a stash. So even if we know the permeability for a given material, we still need to know if the odors a dog detects are within limits.
Kind of like trying to catch plankton with a Tuna net. |
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unuyh
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damn a lot of info.,...weird how a bunch of pot heads put together can achieve so much....anyway there were a lot of good ideas that im sure us customs or narcotics cops thought of already the trick is doing it right...now about that scuba tank or even a fire extinguisher sound like a good idea....just the sight of it is bad.....so what about stashing it in the car....like double floor or inside the seat or hell ill shove the mother f@#er inside my gas tank.. ill think about getting the bi@ch out later in a place im comfortable in, i just wanna get through...or maybe use the same technology involved with the scuba or fire extinguisher tank say...more rectangle like or smaller to fit it in my gas tank...im talking about thinking outside the box cause customs and narcotics cops already thought about inside the box and covered all the angles.....  |
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baldhead
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There is a simple way to test how smell proof your packaging is. You will need a dog for this experiment.
1. Leave some meat out for a day or so to get a little stinky.
2. Put the meat into your choice of packaging.
3. Find a dog and do not feed for the day, then at dinner time drop your package in front of the dog and see if the dog does anything.
I am curious how a dog can identify something as cannabis, considering that the odor coming from cannabis is actually a complex blend of a hundred or more essential oils. It is possible they are smelling a particular terpene or group of a few terpenes that are common in cannabis and less common in other plants like myrcene for instance. |
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socrateez
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Welcome 
| Quote: | | I am curious how a dog can identify something as cannabis, considering that the odor coming from cannabis is actually a complex blend of a hundred or more essential oils. It is possible they are smelling a particular terpene or group of a few terpenes that are common in cannabis and less common in other plants like myrcene for instance. |
Probably so. Cannabis odor is distinctive to most humans so we are like K9's in that respect. Our detection thresh hold is much higher of course.
A good question to ask if there are odor analogs in nature, what are they and will a K9 identify as the same. Hmmn. You've given me something to search for.
Perhaps Cannabis odors are mimicked analogs of animals such as skunks to protect the plant while flowering. (Pure conjecture)
Urine and other musky type animal odors seem common to cannabis. I wonder what original strains smelled like now... |
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unuyh
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ok, i asked around and i was told this will do...
wrap bud in a few layers of ceram wrap and after every 3 layers add cellophane tape make sure the cellophane covers the whole bud..like 12 layers,.. so wrap in cellophane tape 4 times.then wrap the wraped bud in baking soda so that baking soda ends up inside the wrap and add cellophane tape after every layer of these...some 5 layers will do..then wrap wraped bud in aluminum foil...a grip of that like...8 layers enough to withstand the hydrochloric acid you about to wrap it in.after aluminum set add the hydrochloric acid and put aluminum over it...so you have hydrochloric acid inside the aluminum...like 8 of those layers...then add ceram wrap over the aluminum to close it nice...then add a couple more layers of aluminum.. then add pepsin powder to outside of aluminum and close aluminum so pepsin powder is on the inside of the aluminum ddd like 3 of those layers and close with more ceram wrap and over that a couple layers of aluminum..like 5 layers of each then get some hydrochloric acid and mix with pepsin powder..once mixed add over the aluminum and close aluminum with more aluminum and HCL mix on the inside of the aluminum add like 5 of those layers and close with like 5 layers of ceram wrap then over it some 4 layers of aluminum..then get some pan-ox-5(rennin) and add to outside of the aluminum and close with more aluminum then close that with more ceram wrap a couple of those layers and then acouple layers of more aluminum then mix HCL,pepsin powder, and pan-ox-5, and put over aluminum mke sure the whole thing is wraped in it and close with more aluminum with mixture on the inside,..then close total product in more ceram wrap and vinegar on the inside few of those layers too...then wrap in more ceram wrap with baking soda..and you are done...dont forget to close in cellophane tape after every layer of ceram wrap or aluminum... then at the end dip in acetone...to decontaminate...leave for a little you are cool... this tech works for any amount of bud that is about or less than 4 kg..i think this tech copys something about the digestive system....so i was told...
feed back on this would be cool...  |
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