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FamousH
Concerned Citizen

Joined: 06 Oct 2007
Posts: 6
Location: FL

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: How to Help?

First of all, I'm so very, very grateful to you, Barry, for your courage and intelligence. Since finding out about your mission, I have found hope again that someday we might win against this senseless war on drugs.

I will never, ever understand how so many horrible things can take place; rapes, murders, our babies being kidnapped and all the while, our police are more worried about busting that grow house down the street that feeds 12 families from the profits. I myself, having a family and a "normal" life, would rather live next door to a grow house than ANY murderer, rapist, etc.

My question to you, Barry, is what can WE do? The everyday, average people. What can we do to help LEAP, your mission, and others like yours. What is it going to take to REALLY convince people that this drug war does so much more harm than good? At this point, I'm ready for just about anything.

Thank you, thank you, Thank You!

Heather

Last edited by FamousH on Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:52 am; edited 1 time in total

FZRaven
Activist

Joined: 07 Aug 2007
Posts: 290
Location: Vermont

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:35 am Post subject:

Well a good place to start is www.norml.org

Vendico
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 19 Jun 2007
Posts: 93

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:27 am Post subject:

And check out Ron Paul.

narcdet
Civil Libertarian

Joined: 21 Aug 2007
Posts: 100

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:11 am Post subject:

Heather,

While I understand your frustration I would like to correct something from your post. Police aren't more worried about the grow house than they are about rapists and murderers etc. I assure you that persons crimes detectives are out there working very hard on solving murders, rapes, kidnappings etc. as I type this. So please don't think that police don't care about other crimes.

The problem is that more resources could be put to solving other crimes if they weren't put towards drug enforcement. Realize that police are simply doing the job that the lawmakers AND the citizens hired them to do. While public opinion is changing it hasn't tipped the scales yet in favor of mass drug decriminalization. Until that happens drug enforcement will be a part of a police officers job in the same way that traffic enforcement is. Don't place all the blame on the cops, this is a multifaceted issue in which politicians and citizens share some of the blame as well.

FamousH
Concerned Citizen

Joined: 06 Oct 2007
Posts: 6
Location: FL

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:34 am Post subject:

Vendico wrote:

And check out Ron Paul.

Already on that one..I found out about him a while back and am on the bandwagon smile

FamousH
Concerned Citizen

Joined: 06 Oct 2007
Posts: 6
Location: FL

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject:

narcdet wrote:

I completely agree with you. My original statement was grossly overgeneralized...There are most definitely "good and bad cops"...And as for the drug war and all that play a role in it...Everyone is at fault in their own way. I don't think drug use is a wise decision. However, I completely disagree with a government that can dictate what your body ingests/digests or how it functions. Humans have thought process and the power of choice. Certain decisions should never be regulated.

I think the message that LEAP, Barry Cooper, Marc Emery and such are speaking is a giant leap in the right direction. First we must work towards National Awareness of the facts (undistorted by government propaganda). Then, once people can make their own educated decision on the issues at hand, I think we may finally get the reform that is so desperately needed.

toddwj86
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 17 Sep 2007
Posts: 28

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject:

I'm really glad that you are on the Ron Paul bandwagon.

Vendico
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 19 Jun 2007
Posts: 93

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:40 am Post subject:

he's the only candidate I'd even consider sending a donation to.

GG
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 54

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject:

What about NGB community open some official
Ron Paul support camp?

And put small banner at front web-page
that goes direct link to Ron's website.

Bongzilla
Stoned On The Mountain

Joined: 03 Oct 2007
Posts: 246
Location: Mountains in E Oregon

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject:

I disagree on whether this site should wholly endorse any candidate. There are very good reasons why corporations tend to endorse everyone.
Simply endorsing a message or idea itself should be sufficient. Rather than a candidate with many, often conflicting messages and ideas.

Barry
CEO/NeverGetBusted.Com

Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Posts: 640
Location: Texas

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject:

Quote:

My question to you, Barry, is what can WE do? The everyday, average people.

You answered a big part of this question with your comment to me:

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. Since finding out about your mission, I have found hope again that someday we might win against this senseless war on drugs.

Hope is one of the keys! If a person loses hope, they quit fighting. Once hope is reestablished, a person wants to fight. Mix in the next necessary ingredient, smart courage, and revolution begins. Notice I said "smart courage."

It is time for all Americans, especially drug reformers, to raise the level of activism to a new level. This takes "smart courage."

Considering the level of activism to this point, America recorded the highest number of annual pot arrest ever. In 2006 Americans arrested 830,000 other Americans for pot crimes. This is not to say reformers efforts have failed because who knows... there might have been double that number of arrests had it not been for the past reformers. But, this many arrests per year certainly displays we are not accomplishing what needs to be accomplished in terms of ending the drug war.

I believe I know how to raise the bar but I am still working on the plan before releasing certain ideas that will shake things up a bit.

Quote:

I will never, ever understand how so many horrible things can take place; rapes, murders, our babies being kidnapped and all the while, our police are more worried about busting that grow house down the street that feeds 12 families from the profits.

and Narcdet wrote:

Quote:

While I understand your frustration I would like to correct something from your post. Police aren't more worried about the grow house than they are about rapists and murderers etc. I assure you that persons crimes detectives are out there working very hard on solving murders, rapes, kidnappings etc. as I type this. So please don't think that police don't care about other crimes.

We can only go by the facts when deciding what police care about the most. If cops care more about the other crimes, then let them prove it to America!!! Remember, every cop MAY arrest for marijuana and other drugs, not SHALL arrest. They do have a choice.

1) There are more drug arrests each year than all violent crime arrests put together.

2) 55% of Federal Prisons are non-violent drug offenders.

3) 830,000 pot smokers arrested in 2006.

While I believe there are officers who really do care about the violent crimes as Narcdet mentioned, most do not and that is reflected in their attitudes. For Christ's sake, the majority of cops still believe drugs cause people to commit crimes!

Quote:

Realize that police are simply doing the job that the lawmakers AND the citizens hired them to do.

This is a bull&*^% cop out! (pun intended) LOL big grin

Again, police have a choice with the "May" and "Shall" argument and any person holding to this logic would have beaten the escaped slave because "we are simply doing our job because it's a law." Police are sworn to protect the American people. Pot smokers are Americans. I know cops who believe pot should be legal but will still assist in arresting for pot crimes. Police shouldn't enforce bad laws and Americans should not follow bad laws. It is unpatriotic to do so.

Sorry Narcdet. I'm not mad at you and respect you for all you have done. Keep it up!

Quote:

I don't think drug use is a wise decision.

It certainly can be!!! Marijuana is more beneficial than any other drug I know of and it is wise to smoke it for some. Mushrooms have helped many. LSD has helped many and so has MDMA (ecstasy). All of these are classified as psychedelics. All of these have recorded medical value.

Quote:

First we must work towards National Awareness of the facts (undistorted by government propaganda).

Thank God for the internet!!!!

Quote:

This is definitely good food for thought and I would like to hear others take on this. I've been asked and am considering running for Congress or the Senate in Nov 2008. I have a meeting in Austin next week to discuss the details.

Wow, there was a lot to comment on in this thread. Good job!

Barry

GG
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 54

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:22 am Post subject:

It would be challenging, and cost a lot to run,
but if it happens, I bet your voice will have
much more powerful effect to public and lots of
people will follow you for sure!

Someone must step into dirty pig farm called
politician group for the legalization come to
reality.

Activist have limits, where politicains have
much more levels to dare and got more chance
of victory.

Just my humble opinion smile

narcdet
Civil Libertarian

Joined: 21 Aug 2007
Posts: 100

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject:

Hell Barry, you know you can disagree with me all you want and it won't make me mad!! However, I would like to point out that you make it sound very simple for cops to not arrest for drugs just because the law states that they MAY arrest for it and not SHALL arrest for it. The reality is very different though. In many departments if it becomes known that a cop is letting people off on drug charges that cop would be fired. Many states have no police unions and are "right to work" states, which really means "right to be fired for any reason"
There are many rewarding aspects to police work and even officers that disagree with the drug war, as I do, still love the job and want to keep it. Hence we do what we have to and silently, and sometimes not so silently, hope that the public will band together and make decriminalization of drugs a reality.
You left your career in LE and became an advocate for decriminalization. Not all cops will, or can, do that. You may say I am "copping out" by saying that drug enforcement is part of my job, but it is. I will not actively seek out drug arrests but when one falls into my lap I will make the arrest. I know you don't like to hear that Barry, but I won't lose my job by ignoring laws the chief insists I enforce. This is not easy for me as you know. My conscience is tested regularly, but I am only human and do not want to lose the career that I have already invested many years in.

Bongzilla
Stoned On The Mountain

Joined: 03 Oct 2007
Posts: 246
Location: Mountains in E Oregon

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject:

NARCDET, can your acquired retirement benefits be transferred? If so become a quiet conscientious objector and move the hell outta there!
Police agencies are hiring nationwide. There are communities within out nation who choose to put efforts after real crime. I was raised in a LEO social environment, my mother was a PO who quit in protest of judges railroading her clients for petty crap. I was planning on becoming OSP until I discovered the lies about MJ, and the personal benefits of smoking for my broken back. I cannot take opiates without being a junkie (kicked 'em once), and cannot take muscle relaxers without extreme negative attitude consequences.
Please quit enforcing laws that do more harm than good, follow conscience and compassion. We all make mistakes, it's what we do to acknowledge and remedy those mistakes that make us good people.

FamousH
Concerned Citizen

Joined: 06 Oct 2007
Posts: 6
Location: FL

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject:

Barry wrote:

Quote:

I don't think drug use is a wise decision.

First of all, thanks so much for your insight! It's always very welcomed and most often enlightening for me!
Anyway, I just wanted to clarify on the statement I made previously (noted above). Regarding marijuana, I forgot that most people categorize it as a "drug". That part slipped my mind as I wrote that statement. I do not associate the two words MJ & Drug in any way together.
As for other drugs, I've tried most everything and have come to the realization that none of the "euphoria" was worth the side/after effects of the actual drug. Weed is simply an herbal remedy; All natural, the way God intended. Most other drugs are manmade and deadly as a Cobra. Eww!~ Paint some greenery on my scenery and I'm good to go...I'll pass on everything else, thanks smile

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