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Buck
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 Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: Containing the smell... |
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This isn't a question but I do have experience with hunting dogs.
In order to stop a dog the container must be "vapor proof" the typical kitchen seal a meal bags are not vapor proof. They do make vacuume bags that are through they just cost more. The oven roasting bags for turkeys are vapor proof and will stop a dog. I have tested this myself with dead animals and hunting dogs. They couldn't find the animal in a turkey bag but could in the seal a meal bag. Seal the Turkey bag with cellophane packing tape. It's vapor proof also.
Just remember to never touch the outside of the bag with contaminated hands. You must were latex gloves and wash your hands for it to be effective. Touching the MJ and then the bag defeats the whole thing.
Hope this helps someone not to go to jail.
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GG
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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vapor proof bag eh?
never heard/thought about it.
thank you for your tips!!
Oh, just a quick question,
so what you saying is all those vacuum seal bags
in the market is not really working? |
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Buck
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | so what you saying is all those vacuum seal bags
in the market is not really working? |
Correct, they will stop a human from smelling it but not a dog. It has to be Vapor proof meaning not a molecule can pass through the bag or container. If you notice those bags will let freezer burn happen after awhile, this means water vapor is passing through the bag. Like I said they do make good vapor proof bags that work in the "seal a meal" vacuumme sealer. It's a cellophane type material. You can Google up places that sell them. If you ever seen catfish bait at the bait shop it's the same stuff.
A med patient I know was just busted sending 2 oz's in the mail to his friend. It was double vacuumed sealed and the dog still smelled it. Now I can't tell you how careful the sender was not to contaminate the outside of the package though. I'm guessing that was the cause. I'm thinking double vacuum bags would work for a short period of time but I've never tested it myself and wouldn't take the risk with my freedom without testing it myself first. |
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GG
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: |
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thank you for clear my thoguht.
yet I'm still wondering about your friend who got
busted sending package tho..
was that an over-sea mail or state to state mail?
because if it was over-sea, all the package go
through x-ray machine plus dogs.
So even with 100% odor controled, if custom see
any suspicious image through screen, they tear off
package and search it.
and I thought state to state mail system won't do
such a thing.. |
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Buck
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It was state to state. The guy who received it lives in a very small town and has a PO Box. He had a note to pick up a package and when he did an FBI agent and a armed Postal Inspector were waiting to talk to him about it. They claimed a dog alerted on it and wanted him to open it in front of them. Which he did.
I wouldn't think a small town like his even has a drug dog, maybe it was discovered at a bigger distribution center. Also I would think that if a dog did alert on it that's enough to get a warrant and open it themselves at which time they usually deliver it and ask for a signature.
The whole dog thing might be BS I don't know. I do know the guy did get caught with the weed at the post office and the sender is still nervously waiting to hear from someone because the guy ratted him out for sending it.
If Barry still has access to drug trained dogs it would nice if he could test the Turkey bag and the cellophane "Seal a Meal" bags to prove what I'm saying is true. Instead of just some unknown guy on the internet saying it.
My brother raises, breeds and trains bird dogs. This is where I tested it. We put dead rabbits and dead pigeons in a turkey bag and then gave the dogs the command to find a down or dead bird. They couldn't find it. |
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Big M
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:39 am Post subject: |
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WWW.ELITEK9.COM sells equipment and supplies to train various detector dogs. books , videos etc,
you can train your own drug dog could be quite interesting ,OR at best learn how it's done Learning these methods could be used in defending yourself in encounters. |
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Big M
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I checked out those Bags , And they look quite interesting .
You can also Google A bag called (SMELLY PROOF), They are also Odor proof and water proof so they claim .
The nice thing about the smelly proof bags is they come in many different sizes. |
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Barry
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: |
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The real test would be to place the dead animal in the bag and leave it for a few days then check to see if the K-9's can detect. This gives odor time to permeate through the bag. If the bag is non-porous, then no odor will permeate.
Great discussion on this thread!
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Buck
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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GG,
I don't know from personal experience. I've seen those before and would question the way they close.
I'm sure they work fine for keeping the stink out of the car as far as humans smelling it but don't know about a dog.
Barry,
They were ripe. They set in the sun for a couple days in the bags and we tried it again. 2 of these dogs are so well trained they will not stop looking for a downed bird once they are giving the command until they do or drop from being too tired. We had 4 dogs trying to find 2 birds and one rabbit all in separate bags set out in a field they are use to working in.
Personally myself if I have to travel with smokeables I only try take a days worth with me. Which would be a gram or two at the most.
I can toss it real quick or worse case I get busted and in most states a couple grams isn't too much trouble. If I'm going on vacation or something and want more than that with me I feel safer mailing to myself where I'm going than driving with it. |
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GG
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: |
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Hello Buck, can you tell me what kind of
turkey bag you used?
Also did you seal it on some different way?
I never seen such bag and wonder how it seals
and etc.
If you have link for that product, would be nice to check too  |
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nebraska420
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 10:48 am Post subject: smell containment |
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I like the Turkey bags idea I will be trying that out. I've also heard there are bags I think they call "bear bags or camp bags" they are made for putting all of your food into when camping at night, and hoist up. Supposed to prevent Bears, Racoons, and other creatures from finding it, anybody used these?
A friend showed me something he recieved the other day, the most intense packaging we have seen. it went grass, foil, pry half roll ceran wrap, then vacuum seal, then and this is where it gets crazy. They had a vasaline and some sort of pepper mixture coated around vacuum bag. Then second half of industrial ceran, then black packaging paper, then more ceran. It was large and no smell.
FOR BARRY, do you have any knowledge of peppers(ie cayanne) being used as dog deterrent. I have always heard that canine would avoid smelling around an area sprinkled with it as it burns their sensitive noses. any truth to this bc I swear they had cayanne pepper in with the vasaline? |
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GG
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I just received email from OPSAK seller.
They put the food on bag and tossed it for a month
and no animal touched it.
They also put fish on the bag and tossed it on the
ground at extream hot weather, and
they noticed a hint of rotting smell after a month.
This sounds ok, isn't it? |
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Barry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | A friend showed me something he recieved the other day, the most intense packaging we have seen. it went grass, foil, pry half roll ceran wrap, then vacuum seal, then and this is where it gets crazy. They had a vasaline and some sort of pepper mixture coated around vacuum bag. Then second half of industrial ceran, then black packaging paper, then more ceran. It was large and no smell. |
I have seized identical packaging!!! The k-9 alerted strongly so tell your friend not to trust this method!
| Quote: | | FOR BARRY, do you have any knowledge of peppers(ie cayanne) being used as dog deterrent. I have always heard that canine would avoid smelling around an area sprinkled with it as it burns their sensitive noses. any truth to this bc I swear they had cayanne pepper in with the vasaline? |
As discussed in my DVD, pepper causes a backward head reaction from a K-9 which makes the handler suspicious of Dog Deterrent Odors. Pepper does not work.
I just got off the phone with an expert K-9 trainer who is going to test the Turkey Bag method and advise me of his results. I have not been able to verify or deny Buck's advice but it sounds correct. Thanks Buck for that info. The test will prove it and I will post it!!!
Thanks.
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GG
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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I can't wait to hear from real k-9 vs turkey bag!
one question to you Mr.barry :
does dear scent that hunters uses, as you mentioned
on your DVd, will cause k-9s to freak out or jumpy
as they smell something strong? or make any special
behave? (like being enthuastic on it) |
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