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douchefun
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 Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: Everything is permeable |
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Everyone keeps saying that eventually marijuana molecules will go through anything, that everything is mostly empty space. Yes, I believe everything is mostly empty space! The distance between the nucleus and the electrons is very far apart considering their actual size. They teach in college that if the nucleus were the size of your fist, the distance between the nucleus and the electrons would be as far as a football field length wise and that everything inbetween is all empty space.
The reason I have a problem with believing there is no container that is not permeable, is that one of the characteristics is that the electrons are moving so fast around the nucleus that it acts as a solid circle! Keep in mind that another characteristic is that these solid circles will still bind with some others in certain circumstances.
Many things will effect how the circles move around and whether or not they will bind with another atom.
You will never be tought in any type of molecular physics class that a atom will move though another atoms orbit.
The only way this even seems possible would be if an atom were forced to move so fast that when the one atom hits the other atom's orbit that, by chance, none of the electrons hit each other, hit the nucleus, or get too close and make a force strong enough to stop the atom from going through.
Has anyone else seen the most recent picture of diamond molecules? I couldn't find the most recent picture on the internet but this is a good picture.
http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/file.php/1689/T173_2_012ei.jpg
It's suppose to be the strongest element. A diamond is made up of a certain type of carbon, if I remember right it's carbon-8. Steel is iron and carbon. The carbon is from the coal that the iron is heated with, there is are also some other elements that are added to give it desirable properties. So in short, steel has the elements iron and carbon together. The stronger the steel the more carbon. Thats one of the reasons why there are grades of steel.
It's really hard to believe that everything is permeable. I would agree if you are given any amount of time because of all the variables. Although, if you take six piece of 2 inch steel and weld them all together to make a box. Clean the outside of the box to make sure that no marijuana molecules got on the outside of the box during the transaction. I will not believe anyone who tells me that marijuana molecules will permeate though that steel box in my life time.
So right now, my question to Barry. Could you please test this with military grade steel and a trained police dog. I will take no ones word as truth other than Barry's. I will only reply to Barry's questions. I will not explain myself for anything unless I think it's something Barry doesn't understand either. |
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Bongzilla
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting thought. However:
1 A box made of 2 inch steel would be very difficult to carry and conceal. "What's in the box? What is the plausible purpose of this box?"
2 Welding 2 in thick steel requires a great degree of skill, and even then the possibility of a tiny pocket of gas and/or slag would be great and such pocket could only be detected by an X-ray machine or similar inspection equipment. So being entirely sure the box is sealed would be very difficult.
3 The amount of heat generated to melt 2 in pieces of steel together would be tremendous, even welding a lid on such a box would surely damage the contents.
4 Welding releases toxic gases around the person doing the welding, requiring such activities be conducted in an open well ventilated space. In confined spaces welders are required to wear some kind of supplied air respirator to avoid succumbing to the fumes.
5 How do you open the box without further damaging the contents?
In short it would require much effort to fabricate a heavy strange looking box which may or may not be sealed after all the effort. The contents would likely be heat damaged and polluted by harsh fumes.
Opening this box would introduce more heat, hot pieces of metal, and slag to the contents.
Keep thinking creatively!
>>>check out Barrys' hidden compartments vid<<< |
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douchefun
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Bongzilla wrote: | Interesting thought. However:
1 A box made of 2 inch steel would be very difficult to carry and conceal. "What's in the box? What is the plausible purpose of this box?"
2 Welding 2 in thick steel requires a great degree of skill, and even then the possibility of a tiny pocket of gas and/or slag would be great and such pocket could only be detected by an X-ray machine or similar inspection equipment. So being entirely sure the box is sealed would be very difficult.
3 The amount of heat generated to melt 2 in pieces of steel together would be tremendous, even welding a lid on such a box would surely damage the contents.
4 Welding releases toxic gases around the person doing the welding, requiring such activities be conducted in an open well ventilated space. In confined spaces welders are required to wear some kind of supplied air respirator to avoid succumbing to the fumes.
5 How do you open the box without further damaging the contents?
In short it would require much effort to fabricate a heavy strange looking box which may or may not be sealed after all the effort. The contents would likely be heat damaged and polluted by harsh fumes.
Opening this box would introduce more heat, hot pieces of metal, and slag to the contents.
Keep thinking creatively!
>>>check out Barrys' hidden compartments vid<<< |
I have seen your other posts and I can easily say that your an idiot.
The purpose of me writing my last post was to say that I don't believe there is not a container that can be made that is not permeable within a life time. No the steel idea isn't exactly the best practical way, but it was used for an example because it is something that is more widely known and studied.
One, you obveously know what the box is for in the example because of how you worded the rest of your post.
Two, the fact that you need some prior training to be able to use a torch properly doesn't change the fact that it's a container that could be used. It takes "skills" to do lots of things. That doesn't change the fact that it's something that can be done.
Three, no heat wouldn't damage the goods if the hashish is properly wrapped. I'm saying hashish because it is something that can be in higher tempatures. It's may not be the green stuff people normally have but it's still what we all love. To anyone who doesn't like hashish because of it's potency, then go make it yourself and see what uncut hashish is like. Most people tend to look down on hashish because of them smoking hashish mixed with fullers that their dealers made. If anyone else is going to flame this idea just because they have low IQ, nothing better to do, or enjoy arguments for the sake of knowledge, please do not get stuck on the fact the we might only be able to store hashish with the steel box suggestion. Please remember that this idea is just the best example I could use with what I know. By sharing my information it will help others further the progress, they can get idea's by adding what I have said, with what they know. There may be some more unseen variables to getting the box properly sealed but it know it is possible to make the box.
Four and five are just completly stupid things to say. Not worth my time explaining because I'd bet Barry would know why.
To everyone else who is going to post. Please read this wall of text twice if your going to post. People tend to look over things. Also, some things haven't been said because they are things that have I have assumed or overed looked as something people could guess just by taking into account everything that has been stated. I'm mostly just trying to say that no, it's not impossible to find an impermeable container. Also, because of the first sentence in this post. I will be expecting people like narcdet, wildchild, and some others to join this idiot because of a bias feeling towards me from times I have said things towards them. I'd just like them to go ahead. I only responded to this post because I've noticed some other new people making post that they haven't completely thought through. I believe stupidity breeds and attracts more stupidity. I've made this post in response to try and keep this an intelectual thread. I will not edit my first thread so there is no argument about what was originally said, but I will now start responding to more then just Barry's questions. Not all though. |
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Bongzilla
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Again you come across poorly. the point of my reply was apparently not clear enough.
What would be the practical and useful knowledge gained of such a difficult experiment. How could this info ever be applied in a practical manner to help people in general.
Or is it just to attempt to display how much smarter than everyone you are.
I believe this board is for those who wish to exchange thoughts and ideas, not downgrade one another, so my personal opinions regarding your character won't be posted. |
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douchefun
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Bongzilla wrote: | | Again you come across poorly. the point of my reply was apparently not clear enough. |
Your right, I must be coming across too poorly for someone who can't find the shift button, because it's so obviously not you.
| Bongzilla wrote: | | What would be the practical and useful knowledge gained of such a difficult experiment. |
I had explain my view. Go read again if it went over you the last time.
| Bongzilla wrote: | | How could this info ever be applied in a practical manner to help people in general. |
Again, I already explained my view. It's trial and error. Lets work with this, if it works then we know it's possible, lets try something else that may be better considering what we've proven. Again and again until there is something worth using.
| Bongzilla wrote: | | Or is it just to attempt to display how much smarter than everyone you are. |
Your not making it very hard. If I wanted to feel smart I could just start private messaging you.
| Bongzilla wrote: | | I believe this board is for those who wish to exchange thoughts and ideas, not downgrade one another, so my personal opinions regarding your character won't be posted. |
I already know your personal feelings toward me. I'm the one who kinda made them for you. I laid everything out for you, I've given you reasons to hate me. Then again, nothing on this forum has anything to do about the portrayed character of anyone. Why bring it up. Does it matter?! |
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toddwj86
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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I'm going to have to agree with bongzilla.
This isn't a practical solution, as well you are coming across as a complete douche. Although we should expect nothing less from someone who calls themselves douchefun.
Most officers would immediately know something was up if they found a large steel box in your car somewhere. Also, let'snot forget this line;
" I will only reply to Barry's questions. I will not explain myself for anything unless I think it's something Barry doesn't understand either. "
You seem to be more of an attention seeking, Barry Cooper fan boy than someone concerned with solving the injustice of marijuana prohibition.[/quote] |
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narcdet
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, I got thrown in there for something I MIGHT say? That sure reeks of insecurity. Also, as for calling people idiots etc. so much...well, from my experience, those that commit ad hominem attacks do so because they have no valid argument or because they are so insecure in general that they feel that the argument alone is not enough...they must attack the person as well to ease their own feelings of inadequacy.
Not that I'm saying this is the case here, I have no idea as to the actual mental state of douchefun. I just find it curious as to how I can get pulled into this when I have not even said a word. Oh well, such is life. |
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douchefun
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| narcdet wrote: | Wow, I got thrown in there for something I MIGHT say? That sure reeks of insecurity. Also, as for calling people idiots etc. so much...well, from my experience, those that commit ad hominem attacks do so because they have no valid argument or because they are so insecure in general that they feel that the argument alone is not enough...they must attack the person as well to ease their own feelings of inadequacy.
Not that I'm saying this is the case here, I have no idea as to the actual mental state of douchefun. I just find it curious as to how I can get pulled into this when I have not even said a word. Oh well, such is life. |
Narcdet, Look at you now. Not insecurity! Certainty! You just posted. Also, you were talking as if you have been any different. Your being just as insulting, you idiot. Your the same way in your posts, even this one. I wasn't insulting you for no reason. I was just saying because bias feelings greatly sway peoples minds on forums when they are not face to face with someone.
The name calling was prior to me backing up with what is called a "valid argument".
| toddwj86 wrote: | | I'm going to have to agree with bongzilla. |
I was going to list your name but I didn't feel like looking at my last thread where I had insulted you. If anyone would like to see it, the thread was started by me and shouldn't be too far down.
| toddwj86 wrote: | | This isn't a practical solution, as well you are coming across as a complete douche. Although we should expect nothing less from someone who calls themselves douchefun. |
I said so! How nice of you to point this out again. You didn't read everything.
If you'll go to other forums you'll see people with names related to mine and they are just as unpredictably one way or the other as anyone else is.
| toddwj86 wrote: | Most officers would immediately know something was up if they found a large steel box in your car somewhere. Also, let'snot forget this line;
" I will only reply to Barry's questions. I will not explain myself for anything unless I think it's something Barry doesn't understand either. "
You seem to be more of an attention seeking, Barry Cooper fan boy than someone concerned with solving the injustice of marijuana prohibition. |
I never said it was for transportation. You could bury it. Maybe be more creative when transporting it. I know that no one like's old stuff but like I've been saying, things need to start somewhere. The begining is getting people to realize that not everything is permeable. The purpose of this thread was not to convince people to go buy steel and start welding there stuff in it...
I'd like to say that before this thread was made, Barry messaged me and started emailing me asking for my help from seeing my other posts. Most of the people here know that things are not right and are trying to add support to getting things straight, I definately wouldn't call everyone here a fan boy. Everyone is just supporting. Most of them anyway, there are a few that just want to whine, and insult Barry.
Both of you that have posted, I know don't like me from me being defensive and saying how I felt towards things in other posts. To anyone who is willing to read though everything and say something that they thought through, please don't feel discourage.
I would like to state again that this was just an example. My main purpose for this was to say, and please remember this... to say there is a container that is not permeable within a life time. No this is not practical but it was an example. Let me say again and again... an example. People keep talking as if it's completely impossible, I was just asking would someone please show that it is not impossible. That if someone did, I would only take Barry's word on whether it is or is not. |
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narcdet
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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I would like to point out that posting in and of itself does not mean one is insecure, as you imply. I also would ask that you do not compare me to you. I have never, to my knowledge, attacked a person on this forum for their arguments. Before you say I attacked you you should remeber that I simply responded to you throwing me in there for no real reason.
It is obvious you feel that I have something against you when I don't. Do I like you? From what I have seen of your posts...probably not, but that is irrelevant because I don't have to like you to read your arguments. I would prefer that you simply keep my name out of whatever criticism you wish to level when I am not actually involved in the post or if I have not written anything to or about you. Now, although I would prefer that, you are free to do as you wish, what with the first amendment and all.
As for your "defense" of ad hominem attacks by saying that they were simply prefacing a valid argument....well, that's just lame. An argument is either valid or not independent of any ad hominem attack. Trying to tie your attack in with the argument does not make the attack any more right. It's almost as if you think that because you have a "valid argument" that it also offers validity to the ad hominem attack. Sorry, wishing for that to be the case does not make it so. |
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douchefun
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| narcdet wrote: | | I would like to point out that posting in and of itself does not mean one is insecure, as you imply. |
I didn't read your whole post, just this sentence. I didn't feel like making a reply to the whole thing, tired of people like you. I never said or implied this. Go read it again. |
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narcdet
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| You're not going to reply to me? Outstanding! Now if you will just stop replying to everyone else on this forum you will make them as happy as you've made me. |
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douchefun
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| narcdet wrote: | | You're not going to reply to me? Outstanding! Now if you will just stop replying to everyone else on this forum you will make them as happy as you've made me. |
You've encouraged me to reply, check back in a while.
^^Original post.^^
| narcdet wrote: | | I would like to point out that posting in and of itself does not mean one is insecure, as you imply. |
Already said about this in a earlier post.
| narcdet wrote: | | I also would ask that you do not compare me to you. I have never, to my knowledge, attacked a person on this forum for their arguments. Before you say I attacked you you should remeber that I simply responded to you throwing me in there for no real reason. |
You just did what I did. You could of already guessed that I was going to make a reply to your statement I have quoted. Thats the only reason I brought up your name specifically. I didn't compared you to me, I compared an action of yours. Retaliations are still attacks. Last sentence is an opinion.
| narcdet wrote: | | It is obvious you feel that I have something against you when I don't. Do I like you? From what I have seen of your posts...probably not, but that is irrelevant because I don't have to like you to read your arguments. I would prefer that you simply keep my name out of whatever criticism you wish to level when I am not actually involved in the post or if I have not written anything to or about you. Now, although I would prefer that, you are free to do as you wish, what with the first amendment and all. |
This doesn't really say anything, but I'd like to say that it's very obvious that no you don't.
| narcdet wrote: | | As for your "defense" of ad hominem attacks by saying that they were simply prefacing a valid argument....well, that's just lame. An argument is either valid or not independent of any ad hominem attack. Trying to tie your attack in with the argument does not make the attack any more right. It's almost as if you think that because you have a "valid argument" that it also offers validity to the ad hominem attack. Sorry, wishing for that to be the case does not make it so. |
Don't feel like rereading prior posts. Can't remember everything... but this has lots of opinions.
Please get over it. I insulted you many times. Yes, I hate you. Yes I started it in this thread and in others. This argument is going off topic. It's spamming this thread and adding to this wall of text. If there is more you would like to say to people. Feel free to post. If your wanting to continue complaining just to me, flood my private messages. |
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Vendico
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I'm about ready to make you to 2 hug and make up. That's what I make my kids do when they fight.
Yeah, you're not my kids but I have special Vulcan powers to make you do it. |
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whiskey_pen
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| Wow, what a pointless thread. let's stop arguing about shit and postulating about what kinds of materials could be easily carried or stored and is dense enough so no weed smell molecules can pass through it. |
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douchefun
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| whiskey_pen wrote: | | Wow, what a pointless thread. let's stop arguing about shit and postulating about what kinds of materials could be easily carried or stored and is dense enough so no weed smell molecules can pass through it. |
Comming from someone who posted this:
| whiskey_pen wrote: | | Nuts! IS there ANY way to completely odor-proof a package? |
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