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pdub
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Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 2
Location: Texas
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 Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: Urinalysis |
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| What's the best way, besides abstinance, to pass a urinalysis test. It's been about a week since smoking. |
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OneManRevolution
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Joined: 08 Apr 2007
Posts: 88
Location: Carrollton, TX
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: pass the test. |
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In Texas it is illegal to sell any product for the purpose of defeating a drug test. However,some companies unethically use urine testing to look for certain genetic markers. In order to protect yourself from this, companies sell synthetic urine as well as different devices to deliver it undetected to those who wish to discriminate against you based on race or underlying medical issues. The absolute best, uses a chip set connected to a heating element that maintains the sample at body temp. Some come with a simple tube others have a latex penis (for observed testing or to gross out your friends, whatever)
Teas, Sure-Jell, herbal products etc. are cheaper. However, from the experiences of myself and others I have known, these work only part of the time. The money-back garuntee is generally marketing scam. Even if a company makes good on the garuntee you're still screwed.
My advice would be to drop the extra money on something that works 100% of the time. The synthetic urine is much cleaner and easier to store. It's concentrated and comes in a small vial. Any job worth putting yourself through pissing in a cup, should show you a return on your investment quickly.
Consider this an electronically controlled unit with enough synthetic urine for 4 test will run about the same amount as 4 detox kits. It's just a larger initial investment.Those handwarmers that come with some are unreliable and often result in either not enough heat or too much and the time window is unstable.
Hope this helps. If you need further assistance or want to ask more questions, email me. |
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Barry
CEO/NeverGetBusted.Com
Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Posts: 640
Location: Texas
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks OneManRevolution for helping me put out good information!!!
I might ad that most pre-trial and probation departments actually watch the urine go in the glass making the synthetic urines useless. They are great however for employment purposes as OMR posted above.
The more expensive detoxifing drinks usually work great with the cup tests administered by probation. The cup tests are preliminary and the drinks are designed to pass this test only. If you don't detoxify with one of these cocktails and test positive during this phase, the sample is then sent to the lab for verification. Ask probationers in your area how they are passing the tests. This is a sure way of passing.
If you are a violent drug offender, then STOP USING DRUGS AND DON'T TRY AND PASS TESTS. EXAMINE YOURSELF AND CLEAN UP!!!
If you are a non-violent drug user than I hope you pass!!!
Regards,
Barry |
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OneManRevolution
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Joined: 08 Apr 2007
Posts: 88
Location: Carrollton, TX
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: Sorry, I should have qualified that. |
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Sorry, I should have qualified that, I was speaking for pre-employment. I tend to forget there's other reasons.
If you are on probation or paroll and you can't stop smoking (with the exception of medical reasons of course), then you have stepped beyond the realm of RESPONSIBLE use. |
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GG
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: |
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I just googled and there are tons of detoxi cocktails
Do you have any recommended brand or websites?
It is always better to listen from actual people
with experience rather than just read all those
phony adds on their websites  |
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OneManRevolution
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Joined: 08 Apr 2007
Posts: 88
Location: Carrollton, TX
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: Some things that don't work.. |
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*Sure-Gel: At one point I swore by the stuff, until I failed a UA. I had used it numerous times in the past, but after detection levels for THC metabolites was lowered on DOT and DOT-"look-alike" standard 5 panel test.( Which also checks "specific gravity", to be sure it is not diluted with water or other substances. )I would no longer advise using it.
*Vale: Is a popular brand of detox drink that I have seen used without the desired result, although the directions were followed to the letter.
*Urine Luck: this is an additive that will do nothing more than test positve for an adulterant. However, you will not test positive for drugs, just as the ad promises. But guess what kiddo's, ya still don't get the job.
I know that the "permenant detox" kits that are available do work. However, they generally require at least several days of abstinence, along with taking daily cocktails.
Hope this helps. I realize it's not a cornacopia of useful knowledge, but perhaps it will help others avoid some known pitfalls. |
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Big M
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Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Location: Illinois
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Just do a Google search , OR pick up a copy of high times magazine ,And you will find ads and websites .
P.S Like Barry said , IF you are on probation , or parole , You are better off to ABSTAIN .
Getting caught is not worth the jail time for probation/parole violations Kapish! |
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AJohn
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Joined: 21 Apr 2007
Posts: 42
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Total Eclipse is a drink I know has good results as long as you follow the directions. |
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Barry
CEO/NeverGetBusted.Com
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Posts: 640
Location: Texas
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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People on probation and parole should be prescribed marijuana instead of punished for smoking marijuana. Ever wonder why it is so easy to get cannabis while in prison?
The prison guards turn their heads and allow marijuana to enter the prisons because it CALMS THE POPULATION DOWN!!! No kidding.
Barry |
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Reauxsted
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Joined: 21 Apr 2007
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| You can even be disqualified because you pee too clear, like if you've been drinking coffee for awhile. Seems the best remedy is abstinence. And mj smokers have to abstain for a good while...a heavy user best count on 8 to 10 weeks to clear up. A week without doesn't cut it! |
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OneManRevolution
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Joined: 08 Apr 2007
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Location: Carrollton, TX
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: the more ya smoke.... |
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After smoking or eating cannabis the THC is extensively metabolized before excretion. The presence of tetrahydrocannabinol acid or the cannabinoid metabolite in urine is an indication of marijuana use. The excretion half-life of cannabinoid metabolites in urine, range based on different factors such as: weight, age, BMI, etc.
THC (marijuana / cannabis) is one of the "NIDA 5" - the five drugs tested for in the standard NIDA approved drug test. THC is detectable in Urine for 48-72 hours after single use. Habitual or chronic use can be detected in urine for up to 10 weeks depending on quantity, duration, and frequency of use.
THC is rapidly absorbed by inhalation and the gastrointestinal tract. It is almost completely metabolized. The predominant metabolite is 9-carboxy-11-nor-delta-9-THC, which found in the plasma, feces, and urine along with other compounds. Very low concentrations of THC may be detected in urine during the initial several hours, but tetrahydrocannabinol persists in urine at a detectable concentration for many days after smoking.
The standard THC test is a one step rapid, qualitative immunoassay, a biochemical test that measures the level of a substance in a biological liquid, typically serum or urine, using the reaction of an antibody or antibodies to its antigen. The assay takes advantage of the specific binding of an antibody to its antigen for the detection of tetrahydrocannabinol compounds (11-nor-THC-9-Carboxylic Acid) in urine. The cutoff concentration for a positive result in an immunoassay test is 50 ng/ml as recommended by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) and NIDA. The cutoff for GC-MS and DOT is 15 ng/ml. I am not sure what range is used for probationary purposes, maybe Barry can help out with that.
In other words if you are a chronic smoker, do not use the experiences of a casual user to gauge you're detectability time. Like Reauxsted said a chronic user can count on up to 10 weeks. Whereas, someone who rarely smokes could be clear in a fraction of the time. |
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Jah Patriot
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Joined: 11 Apr 2007
Posts: 8
Location: Nevada
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: System Flush |
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| Two products I've used with good results for pre-employment screens. Clear Flush from Hartsun Quantum Supplements at www.hartsun.com and Cylacet 4 System Cleanser (Strion Blend) from Detox Solutions.com also at 1-602-486-7206. Both of these have natural ingredients. The Clear Flush has more of the natural ingredients. They both contain Riboflavin and Creatin in addition to various powdered root compounds. |
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Jah Patriot
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Joined: 11 Apr 2007
Posts: 8
Location: Nevada
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: System Flush |
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| Two products I've used with good results for pre-employment screens. Clear Flush from Hartsun Quantum Supplements at www.hartsun.com and Cylacet 4 System Cleanser (Strion Blend) from Detox Solutions.com also at 1-602-486-7206. Both of these have natural ingredients. The Clear Flush has more of the natural ingredients. They both contain Riboflavin and Creatin in addition to various powdered root compounds. |
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OneManRevolution
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Joined: 08 Apr 2007
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Location: Carrollton, TX
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: Creatinine Levels |
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Here's some information from "the other side"
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Elbert, Michael J., "The Use of Creatinine and specific gravity in measurement to combat urine test dilution", Federal Probation, Dec 1997, v. 61, 4, 3-10.
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"In addition to diagnosing illnesses, the density determination of urine has been effective in combating intentional drug test manipulation. Repeat drug offenders have been known to employ "flushing" or dilution prior to screening for drugs or abuse. In 1986, the NIDA (National Institute on Drug Abuse) noted that drinking large amounts of liquids could easily result in a tenfold dilution of urine which could lower the drug concentration of urine samples to levels that could not be detected by conventional screening cutoffs. More contemporary physiologic studies have shown that drinking two or three 12-ounces glasses of water can produce up to tenfold diluted urine within 30 minutes. Dilution forces the kidneys to rapidly eliminate excess liquids, which results in reduced urine-drug concentrations. The use of specific gravity (as well as creatinine test) to detect dilute urine samples have been successfully employed to screen the sample prior to the actual drug test.
The specific gravity measures the total solids content of a urine sample and reflects its degree of concentration or dilution. The refractometer is considered the "gold standard" measurement device for determining the specific gravity of a urine sample. Although researchers have recommended creatinine as a more reliable indicator of dilution, its measurement is not practical as specific gravity, which is easily obtained through the use of inexpensive, on-site testing. The refractometer is approx. 6 inches long and resembles a telescope. The specific gravity of urine can be measured by placing a drop of the sample on the lens of the refractometer, which is then covered by the lens plate and held up to a light source. Next, the collector reads the specific gravity of the sample, by peering into the eyepiece of the refractometer. If the urine is measured at or above 1.010 on the Urinary Gravity (U.G.) scale, the sample is considered valid. However, offenders who submit urine samples with readings measured below 1.010 are required to wait at the testing facility and submit a subsequent, valid sample measured at or above 1.010 (Elbert, 1996).
The ability to detect flushing each time it occurs, is an invaluable supervision tool for rehabilitation purposes. If left undetected, flushing can potentially waste limited drug treatment funds." |
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Cheriste
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Location: Yorkshire, UK
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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HI
I am really having problems trying to find a website where its tells me how long does MJ stay in ur system for as i have to give a random drug test by weeing in the bottle but since i started my job i have cut down to one joint per nite as i dont want to risk losing my job!!
could u help me or tell me please
many thanks
Carly |
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