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wtfbarry
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 Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: A MUST READ ANSWER TO LAW ENFORCEMENT |
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I changed the subject title on this thread as to attract more attention. The old subject read "personal information." Pay close attention to my answer. We invite law enforcement on this board as to provide them with furthering education. Please feel free to rant at LEO's but try your best to be respectful. Thanks. Here's the original post:
Barry, I'll be completely honest right from the start, I'm a LEO, and I do not agree with any of the things that you are putting out there. However, it is your personal opinion and right, no matter what I think about it. I do however have a major issue with you posting the names of individual officers on your website in the interdiction map. I cannot fathom how it is beneficial for you to do such a thing. Whether you think dopers are innocent people or not, LEO's put their lives on the line, and have families are certainly more innocent than those who use illicit drugs. Naming specific individual officers is simply unprofessional. |
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Big M
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Location: Illinois
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What an ARROGANT ATTITUDE THIS LEO HAS ! You have the audacity to say the families of cops are more innocent then Dope users ? Hummmmmmmm I wonder how many wives, girl friends, kids of COPS smoke weed ? Hey mr LEO ? The fact is cops are in such a tight knit click that they cover up for each other on a continuance basis. Like the police offer who beats his wife , And his fellow officer comes to the house , covers everything up so there is no report of the domestic complaint , You hypocrite bastard !
Iknow of some very good police officers in my area , But truth be told the majority of cops are phony , lying pieces of shit PERIOD. P.S REFER TO THE STORY OF THE 6"5' OFFICER IN CHICAGO WHO BEAT UP THE 5'4' FEMALE BARTENDER and fellow officers tried to cover every thing up , And cops wonder why they do not receive respect from citizens like they should . They charged that cop with a felony I hope and pray he gets some jail time and that they put that cop in general population , we'll see how tough he is then LOL.
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OneManRevolution
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Joined: 08 Apr 2007
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Location: Carrollton, TX
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: Hold up. |
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I must disagree with the assertion that someone who uses marijuana is somehow less innocent that someone who drinks alcohol. It's equatible to saying a porn star is more virginal than a prostitute.
I will say that I appreciate the articulate, well mannered opposition posed by you in comparison to those who rant, rave and engage in assumptious name calling.
The issue is not with hard-working officers who do their jobs properly and genuinley make a sacrifice to make our streets safer. It's with those who abuse their power. I've had bosses in the private sector with this personality archetype. I can't imagine giving them a gun and granting them any real authority.
I come from a military family and have friends and family currently in law enforcement in both the military and civilian sectors. They are law-abiding citizens themselves and have not lost sight of the fact their job is to serve the greater public good.
Otherwise, what logical explanation could exist for the fact one American citizen has power over another to detain, ask questions and (while operating under PROPER guidelines) are allowed to rummage through another American citizen's private things?
It is blasphemous to the trust of the American people when those who are sworn to serve and protect violate the rights of those they are sworn to protect.
The major issue being that a handful of individuals fail to realize that the authority they have is granted by the people, with the sole intent they act in the best interest of the people.
Those who apply for this job are given authority over other citizens!
It defies logic that they shouldn't be held to a higher standard of conduct. By accepting this responsibility, an individual places themselves in a position in the public, interacting with the public, when rights violations occur it is the public who suffers.
The violations of trust are not limited to the Police Chief's office.
Why should their crimes be?
We expose the names of citizens who commit victimless crimes in local newspapers.
What would be appropriate for someone who violates Constitutional Law?
My question is, as a LEO, what venue of exposure and reprimand would you reccomend as appropriate?
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Barry
CEO/NeverGetBusted.Com
Joined: 03 Apr 2007
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: |
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wtfbarry,
Thanks for being honest on this board and revealing you are the police. I get emails and correspond LEOs Daily. You would be shocked at the number of cops wanting to end this war on drugs and use the billions of dollars and millions of hours to catch child molesters and such. There is an organization called LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) made up of ex and current cops who agree with ending the drug war.
I don't think you realize the American people have lost respect for LEOs because of the over arrests and prosecutions---mainly drugs. When the most free country in the world has 1 in 32 adults on parole, probation or in prison, it won't be long and you or a close loved one will face unjustified incarceration.
If a person burglarized from the influence (notice I said influence) of a drug (drugs do not force people to commit crimes) then put them in jail for the burglary, not the drug. This plan insures violent law breakers go to jail and the MILLIONS of drug users who never commit crimes get to stay with their families, work and pay taxes.
| Quote: | | Whether you think dopers are innocent people or not, LEO's put their lives on the line, and have families are certainly more innocent than those who use illicit drugs. |
If you believe working narcotics in dangerous to police, then help end the drug war and cops will no longer be "putting their lives on the line." The truth is only 28 officers have lost their lives in drug related operations since 1996. None lost their lives in 2004 and 2005. That is 2.8 officers per year dieing in our war on people. Compare that to 750,000 citizen's lives ruined each year because of a harmless plant that is impossible to overdose to death on. SINCE WHEN DID THE LIFE OF A POLICE OFFICER BECOME MORE VALUABLE THAN THE LIFE OF A CITIZEN?
There is not one recorded death from marijuana overdose in the history of man. PLEASE READ THE MARIJUANA FACT PAGE ON THIS WEBSITE. This page also explains why marijuana was made illegal...racism, bigotry and ignorance.
| Quote: | | Naming specific individual officers is simply unprofessional. |
It is unprofessional and illegal to search an auto behind a dogs false alert. Americans have the responsibility to report and fight against officers who are known to break our 4th Amendment rights. Beside the false alerts, any officer arresting a citizen for a non-violent drug offense is breaking the higher law of the land...unreasonable search and arrest. It is unreasonable to a citizens in a cage to be shanked and raped!
| Quote: | | However, it is your personal opinion... |
These are not opinions...these are facts. This is not 1952 any longer. This is 2007 and the evidence proves the war on drugs is a failed policy and our constitution shouts it is unreasonable!
I respect you came on this board and posted your opinions. If you will place everything you have been taught in the trash along with your emotions and investigate the real facts, you will also do what I did and switch to the side of light!
Respect,
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Big M
Antiprohibitionist
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Location: Illinois
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:34 am Post subject: |
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The reason for my rant Above, Is out of frustration that most law enforcement on all levels feel they are above the law , And run rough shod over Citizens.
Also i want to make something clear , I know of some very good police officers , And i due respect law enforcement for the most part, I'm not some police hating rebel rouser , That may have come across in my Rant Above.
But i will say that how many police abuse there authority has left a bad taste in my mouth.
There are Police officers who have no business being a police officer period.
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Reauxsted
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Let's not forget the revenue involved. Any officer who tells you that revenue is not a factor, is lying. Marijuana is a sure money-maker for various jurisdictions. The Federales withhold funds unless certain conditions are met. MJ users are a vast fund of resources...traveling around, being illegal.
Aggressive cops make the most revenue, so the system encourages rabid behavior. Don't look for a quick end to the nightmare redneck cop. |
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Barry
CEO/NeverGetBusted.Com
Joined: 03 Apr 2007
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: |
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Big M,
Your rant was justified and was not out of line. My message at the top about being respectful was not directed toward any person on this forum. So far, I have not read any post that are out of line. I posted the message so LEOs will know we welcome them also. If LEOs make unjustified comments on this forum, continue to say your peace just like you did!!!
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Big M
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Location: Illinois
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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I agree Keeping this message board police friendly so to speak is a good thing.
That way police /LEO can voice there opinions on if they agree with Cannabis use or not etc.
I know LEAP is an organization for current police and former law enforcement that are PRO CANNABIS USE /REFORM . |
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Buck
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Joined: 24 Apr 2007
Posts: 68
Location: Southern US
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'll be completely honest right from the start, I'm a LEO, and I do not agree with any of the things that you are putting out there. However, it is your personal opinion and right, no matter what I think about it. I do however have a major issue with you posting the names of individual officers on your website in the interdiction map. I cannot fathom how it is beneficial for you to do such a thing. Whether you think dopers are innocent people or not, LEO's put their lives on the line, and have families are certainly more innocent than those who use illicit drugs. Naming specific individual officers is simply unprofessional. |
All officers should be ashamed for throwing MJ users in jail and ruining their families. Don't give me that I'm just doing my job. See below.
| Quote: | If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.
-Thomas Jefferson |
The only reason it is illegal is because of government corruption and propaganda.
If they really cared about us and "The Children"(I love that one)they would make alcohol and cigs illegal. They kill over a 1/2 million people a year and yet in the history of mankind there is not one documented case of it killing anyone.
The whole thing is just a corrupted money wheel. We have more people in prison that most of the other country's combined and something like 60%-70% are in there on non violent drug crimes. Privatized prisons just an other word for legal slavery.
All drugs should be legalized and then take all that money the government and local LEO's piss away busting non violent criminals and put it to use in drug education and treatment programs and putting real criminals in jail. Hell I can kill someone and be out in less time than if I got caught with 10 pounds of MJ. What the hell is that all about?
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We also need to educate the masses and convince them not to find a MJ offender guilty if they are on a jury. They don't have to. |
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Big M
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Location: Illinois
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YOU are right on Buck ! These laws are FULL OF  HYPOCRISY .
What I would like to see is More Cannabis promotion Via Giant bill boards on the side of the Highway ,30 second tv spots Full page ads in magazines .
By doing this the word would get out much faster on educating the public.
These promotions need to point out the hypocrisy and point out that Cannabis is not as dangerous as cigarettes and alcolhol .
I know there are pro cannabis organizations such as NORML , LEAP ETC, But where is the mass promotion I don't see it ?
I Don't see people in bars who are pro cannabis wearing shirts from norml or high times magazines , Now i know many of us cannot wear such attire because of jobs and careers all the time ,But what about on those off days when you are hanging out with friends in a bar, get my point ? You can see people with tattoos all over there body , Many who i know smoke , Yet they never wear a legalize pot shirt .
I hear alot of talk on various forums but i don't see many people being pro active for the cause. |
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Barry
CEO/NeverGetBusted.Com
Joined: 03 Apr 2007
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Buck,
You are totally on track. Keep up the great posts!!!
I am going to add Jefferson's quote to the "marijuana fact page" on this web site. Your jury argument at the end of your post is the key. NGB is working on a "never-tried-before" project channeling this key principle. I hope to launch it within a year.
Big M,
| Quote: | | I know there are pro cannabis organizations such as NORML , LEAP ETC, But where is the mass promotion I don't see it ? |
I noticed the same thing after launching my DVD and taking a look around. In fact, upon the launch of my DVD, some of the Drug Reformationist were my worse critics and still are.
I support all drug reformation organizations but the truth is, 750,000 people per year still go to a government cage for a plant! It hurts the feelings of certain reformationist when I say, "What you are doing is not working, so let us all together change what we are doing to make the change."
I don't mean to step on toes, but our mission is urgent. Good American citizens are being raped and shanked in prison as we speak. The urgency is clear.
I really believe strong, intelligent, compassionate, no-holds-barred revolution is the answer. To have that, a leader must take the stage with the diplomacy skills to bring all reformationist together. It will happen!
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Buck
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Location: Southern US
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | You are totally on track. Keep up the great posts!!!
I am going to add Jefferson's quote to the "marijuana fact page" on this web site. Your jury argument at the end of your post is the key. NGB is working on a "never-tried-before" project channeling this key principle. I hope to launch it within a year. |
Thank you and this is good news. If we can get juries to quit convicting Americans for MJ violations they will have to change the law. It only takes one person on a jury to stand his/her ground and make a difference.
An other huge obstacle in the way of legalizing MJ is the Pharmaceutical and Oil companys.
They are the two biggest lobbyists in Washington making sure the law isn't changed. Why? Because it will cut into their business and profit margin. At the same time the Pharmaceutical co. are buying huge tracks of land in South America so they can grow it when the law is changed.
Evil isn't it?
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Here are a couple more for you.
"I consider trial by jury as the only anchor ever yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution."
--Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Tom Paine in a 1789.
"It is not only the juror's right, but his duty, to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment and conscience, though in direct opposition to the directions of the court."
-- John Adams |
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SavetheConstitution
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Joined: 02 Aug 2007
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: Weed Up! |
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It still baffles me how we have allowed ourselves to become so willing subjugated by the war on fried eggs. "This is your brain, this is your brain on drugs, any questions?" I think we may have been brainwashed a little bit.      |
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Dutch_john
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Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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Location: Florida swamplands
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In reading LEO's above comments like "I do not agree with any of the things you are putting out."
Well on the DVD, a pretty big issue with Berry is the 4th amendment, Its ironic that a civil servant thats sworn to protect and serve can publicly disagree with what should be a vital issue of his employment.
Whats even more scary to me is that LEO conveys this 'us and them' mentality, where he out lines his own arbitrary standard of innocents, 'an officer puts his life on the line he his family is certantly more inoccent then dopers.' Does this apply to security guards and taxi drivers as well? They put there life on the line.
This kind of thought is the same attitude brought out in the cop in the movie 'Harald & Kumar go to White Castle', but no mater, someone should tell LEO that he's not such a good representitive of his kind, and that name calling (dopers )isn't the best way to articulate a point of view he is a pompous jackass.
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grnman
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Location: MA
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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All officers should be ashamed for throwing MJ users in jail and ruining their families. Don't give me that I'm just doing my job. See below.
| Quote: | If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.
-Thomas Jefferson |
How many Nazi soldiers, Members of the KGB or any other similar agency or authority figures have used this pathetic crutch? This is the problem with the system. When the excuse for enforcing a draconian set of laws boils down to that phrase, the crux of the whole problem should be evident. It's time everyone gets together and says "ENOUGH!". Unfortunately we are a nation of sheeple who will blindly follow our government right or wrong. Just my humble opinion.  |
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