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Candi
NGB Staff

Joined: 08 Oct 2008
Posts: 5

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: Our prisoners family's

Hello Everyone,

Sorry I disappeared for a while. I have been super busy, but now I am
back to hang out at least 2 or 3 days a week!

I would like to start a new topic today. We all talk about our people
in prison and what a horrible place it is, ESPECIALLY when the person doesn't deserve
to be there.

Today I want to talk about the wives, mothers, kids, etc... the ones who
don't have their loved ones with them every day. I couldn't imagine
waking up every morning and not see Barry's face and not getting to hold his
hand. I couldn't imagine my kids not getting to run and hug him
everyday hearing his words,"hey kids, I love you."

When I sit down and really think what this "WAR ON PEOPLE" has done to the
millions of families in the US, my heart breaks!

One of NGBusted's goals is to see our prisoners set free so they can be with their
families again!!!!

Peace and Love

Candi

socrateez
Moderator

Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 1374
Location: I'm your next door neighbor

Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject:

Hi Candi.

People usually dont consider that loved ones are usually moved across a state or the country in some cases when incarcerated. It is very costly in monetary terms alone to stay connected with a loved one behind bars. The emotional and psychological costs are much higher.
I made observations while incarcerated that haunt me to this day. One being how rare it was to see a inmate with regular visitors and mail. The frequency with which I saw men lose outside attachments was frightening. The vast majority of men lost their girlfriends, wives and lovers, within 6 months to a year. Myself included. Twice in my case. Don't feel too sorry for me though. I deserved prison at the time.
A very small percentage had successful relationships after 5 years. Average time I saw people do for drugs then. Usually on a 7 - 10 year sentence.(State) Think about five years apart. Time stands still for one, and life must go on for the other. This inevitably occurs the same as if someone had died. How long does one grieve when the one they love might as well either be dead or on another continent? Our war wives are suffering similarly.
This is the hardest part of incarceration to deal with. This is the part that drives my nightmares of prison. Not acts of violence but fear of being stripped from those I hold dear. The horrible sound of a heavy electric steel door closing shut on my life, is a sound that haunts my dreams still.
Ive said before that I was no victim of the drug war per se, but I saw many good people suffer unduly in prison because of it.
Thanks for the shift in perspective Candi. Wink

Candi
NGB Staff

Joined: 08 Oct 2008
Posts: 5

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:10 am Post subject:

Thanks for the response. If you don't mind me asking, why did you go to prison and how long?

I am sorry you had to go through that experience.

This is a very sad subject to talk about,but needed!

Peace and Love

Candi

socrateez
Moderator

Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 1374
Location: I'm your next door neighbor

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:55 am Post subject:

The first time for 2nd degree Burglary (non residential) 10 year sentence. Paroled after 2 (first time offender statute)
The second time for the friendly feds. That was for possession of a sawed off shotgun. Ive told that story all over this foeum. smile

It is hard to talk about. It's one of the mostly unspoken burdens men carry while incarcerated. You see it in their faces though. Hard to hide that kind of hurt. Shows like a black eye.

3rdParty
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 26 Jul 2007
Posts: 15
Location: Northern Indiana

Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject:

Hi Ms Candi!

Glad to see you on this site. I talked to you via phone about 6 months ago, and now I'm a Fan. We organized a non profit to help support citizens who have IV. Amendment issues. I bet a lot of folks have stories, but all we want to say, is .... Be careful with your trash! In our state we took our case to the Indiana Supreme Court and it made a "new rule" for just grabbing a citizen's trash and the IV. Amendment. Some other states have adopted the rule, however not the majority. Please please citizens, watch what goes into your trash, and watch if it is not picked up by the correct collectors. When we got into our case and subpoenaed the trash dude for the suppression hearing, 1 of our days in court, we found out the police would sometimes ride with them dressed as "trash collectors". Our trash guy told us he hated when that happened! Go figure. Anyway, just be careful and find out what your State allows in a search of trash. The US Supreme Court recognizes "Greenwood" from I believe the 80ies. Your trash has a lot of clues, DNA etc. and who wants their privacy gone through? And in our case the police lied. (another go figure) Go NGB in your support of the GREAT FOURTH AMENDMENT OF OUR GREAT AND FAIR CONSTITUTION! Good Luck to Barry in becoming a Texas politician! Sincerely and respectfully,

3rdparty

AMC
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 45

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Our prisoners family's

Candi wrote:

I have one question.
What should be done to mothers who allow their children to be exposed and live in places where meth labs are being run?

Also, I read a book called "Beautiful Boy."

I was shocked to learn when I read it that the meth lab problem could be stopped if the major drug companies quit making the two ingredients that people acquire to make meth.

CrispFlows
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 06 Dec 2008
Posts: 36

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Our prisoners family's

AMC wrote:

What, pray tell, are the two ingredients that should be discontinued? I wasn't aware of this.

CrispFlows
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 06 Dec 2008
Posts: 36

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject:

After some research, I found the essential ingredients:
1 is for treatment of asthma, antihistamines, cough drops, sea sickness medication and weightloss pills.

1 is for fireworks, matches, toothpaste, detergents, etc...

1 is for medication production, photography, salt production, halogen lightbulbs, counterfeit banknote detection pens and can be extracted from sea kelp.

Which would you prefer to be discontinued?

socrateez
Moderator

Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 1374
Location: I'm your next door neighbor

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:14 am Post subject:

CrispFlows wrote:

And why would our gov outlaw a plant with so many useful purposes?
Evil, evil sea kelp! I can envision a tweaker now...
"Dude! I got this killer shit!...It fukin green! Organic meth man. They call it Krystal Kelp" laughing

AMC
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 45

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Our prisoners family's

CrispFlows wrote:

AMC wrote:

What, pray tell, are the two ingredients that should be discontinued? I wasn't aware of this.

I gave the book back to my friend who loaned it to me.
The two ingredients are the ones used for allergy medications.
It's why in some places you have to sign to get the over-the-counter drugs. Doesn't seem to be working, however.
Perhaps they need to be prescription only.
Whatever it would take to help to stop Meth production, which is the worst drug in today's society, I think would be a good idea.
The drug war is such a failure.

TheCheshireCat
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 09 Dec 2008
Posts: 17
Location: Michigan

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Our prisoners family's

AMC wrote:

CrispFlows wrote:

AMC wrote:

What, pray tell, are the two ingredients that should be discontinued? I wasn't aware of this.

Meth is a scourge. However, if we try to restrict access to ammonia and ephedrine the people who cook the stuff up are just going to find more dangerous chemicals to use as a substitute. I live in rural Michigan and have seen it happen here. My county outlawed the sale of products containing ephedrine and now there is a bunch of even more toxic "meth like" substances getting passed around. Limiting access to these substances only makes things worse. The only way to stop meth production is to push for education as to how devastating meth really is. Once people become educated, less people will use it, if less people use it then less people will produce it.

I think this is a little off topic from what Candi intended, but I had to put in my two cents as I have seen meth ravage the lives of many around me.

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AMC
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 45

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject:

Ammonia isn't one of the ingredients...just the two used in allergy meds.
We know education, the "Yes Say No" mentality, doesn't work.
Otherwise the propaganda film, "Reefer Madness" and all the government did to try to keep people from smoking pot might have worked, lol. And we KNOW that didn't work.
I do believe all allergy medication with the two ingredients should be by prescription only and research should be done to try to develop alternative ingredients.

Many people start making it for the money. Many poor people.

It's the worst drug known today.
The brain chemicals actually change, making it almost impossible to break the addiction.

Maybe developing some sort of drug to hinder the high impossible for those trying to get off it.

I don't know, but if I were in charge, I would ask the drug companies to invest in something to help stop it. Economically speaking, the financial cost to the tax payers is probably more than California's debt every year.

The war on drugs is such a failure.

TheCheshireCat
Antiprohibitionist

Joined: 09 Dec 2008
Posts: 17
Location: Michigan

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: My friend Stephanie

Ive said what I needed to say about meth.

Now back to the original point of this thread.

A few years back I used to run around with a very good friend of mine Stephanie. One of the coolest girls I have ever met. That kind of bubbly personality you always want to be in the presence of. She was entirely dedicated to the cause of reforming drug policy, and she didn't hide it from anyone. Everyone knew what she did. Even the police. She sold pot here and there, but mostly she was just a smoker.

She had always told me that the cops were out to get her. I didn't think much of it, I thought she was just being paranoid, as all pot enthusiasts are from time to time.

Then one day as we were driving back to her place we got pulled over. Steph rolled her window down about 6 inches or so and asked the officer what the problem was. He stated that she was doing 58 in a 55 and asked her for her paperwork. As she turned her head to reach into the back seat and retrieve her documents from her purse I noticed that the officers hand was cupped around the window in a very peculiar fashion. As she riffled through her belongings I saw the officers hand unfold and something fall in between the door and her seat. I immediately turned to her and yelled for her to check next to her seat for what the officer had dropped. It turned out to be a bag of grass and about 3 grams of powder cocaine.

I became furious with the officer, which did little good. He proceeded to place us both into handcuffs and seat us in his patrol car. When we got to the station the officer uncuffed us and put us in separate cells.

Long story short, despite my testimony in court as to the officers misconduct, my good friend Stephanie is now serving 5 years in a minimum security prison.

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