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Mr.C
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Im hoping to get some usefull tips here on what a person should be aware of. what to look for and to avoid.
all things regarding security while growing indoors..hoping to make a sticky out of it,,would be a very usefull thread.
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*High electricity bills.
Figure out your kilowatt usage per hour/day/month and the price of a kilowatt hour in your area. I've researched this and it appears that depending on the price fluctuation, but in general running 1000 watts of electricity constantly adds up to an extra $70-100 dollars per month to a bill.
*Heat coming off your house or being vented from some other area.
Find ways of dispersing the heat throughout your home or elsewhere without venting it outside the house.
Rent or buy a FLIR camera and use it on your house all around to check for hot spots anywhere.
*Smell coming from areas inside or outside your house.
This may not be a problem where you are growing but IF john q lawman decides to stop by you will need your grow area sealed off and all air coming out from the grow area to be vented through a carbon filtration system to eliminate the smell of cannabis growing.
Also, depending on how clean you keep the rest of the house or grow area, letting or not letting for transfers of cannabis dust, rub baggies like Barry said all over the house to put the smell there, making it harder for a dog to detect anything.
*Make grow cabs, labs, and ops look like something else inconspicuous and/or entirely hidden out of sight. Keep it CLEAN.
Set up false rooms and spaces for grow ops. Make fake cabinets, counters, dresser-drawers fake anything, and make it look legit, being able to use the cabinet, closet, for items like clothes or fine china, glass wears, nick-nacks.
Look into mirrors and magicians tricks! You would be quite surprised how you can use the powers of illusion to your advantage. Walls and shelves with mirrors and a door like a curio cabinet are very innocuous.. And there's many other applications for hiding things as well. You can download gigabytes of how-to books, guides, manuals and videos by using torrent searching stuff... Better learn how to get out of handcuffs now while theres still time 
Set up fake rooms and spaces, or make a site underground. These will aid in success. Keep things clean. Keep fingerprints, hairs, off of everything (gloves and hairnets help). Try to keep a standard of cleanliness that you would expect in a laboratory (though I've seen some dirty labs LoL.. Ideally, you don't want that!) Cleanliness will also help with pests such as spider mites and possibly fungus.
*Watch for surveillance of your person and property.
Suspicious people, same faces/cars following you or driving by your property that don't live in the area (which means get to know the faces in your area).
SUVs or vans with blacked out windows are a good sign some federal agent is round your corner.
Dudes just sitting in cars are always very suspicious. Who the fuck does that unless you are doing drugs or up to some otherwise suspicious shit? No one's reading the paper or drinking their coffee having breakfast or pretending to be on the phone just on the side of the street for some time. These people stick around more than 5 minutes thats even more sketchy. Sure, it happens once in awhile, but better to be aware.
People looking at your meter that aren't from the power company, or any sort of trespassers. Also be aware of helicopters and planes in your area and try to look for the tell tale round camera on the front bottom.
Set up UNSEEN and HIDDEN cameras around your property, viewing the street and all around the perimeter and at every possible door and entryway (like bulkheads/cellar door to basement, back doors, easy access windows), and also place a camera watching your car, even if it is inside a garage.
But either way, have a camera inside watching your car. DEA/ Feds will place hidden GPS devices on your car.
They may try to do so also while you are not on your property, like while your at a store!! So watch for surveillance. Drive to safe houses and friends and family houses (preferably with a garage you can park in) and check out around your car, especially underneath, for anything out of the ordinary that shouldn't be there. This also means you should get to know your car(s) inside and out so you can spot this. [It would be a good idea too if someone could find pictures of what these GPS devices/trackers look like, what they DEA and FEDs may use so that we can learn to spot them.]
If you have a garage attached to the house then doing some forms of things will be easier, such as transportation of stuff, the next part.
*Bringing stuff in and out. Trash and stash.
Again if you have a garage attached to your place thats balls.
All incriminating trash should either be burned on-site in a fireplace slowly over time or packed unseen and taken from location to some safe location where it can be destroyed (aka someone elses fireplace). Electrical, plastic, horticultural components that cannot be burned should be separated and broken up into pieces. Take apart the electronics till its bits and wires and smash it up. Safely find a way to smash broken bubs in trash without touching chemicals or inhaling noxious gasses you may be exposed to. Cut up the plastic. Break up that rockwool. Dirt should probably be double boxed up in trash bags or backpacks. Leaves and stems should be destroyed on-site or collected and ground up to nothingness, then moved in trash bags and boxes or backpacks. Find a dumpster or place to put the trash while being unseen. Try to do it on a day/time when the trash will be collected right away to avoid people fiddling through it.
Pack up grass well and hide it well in the vehicle. Keep extra headlights in the car in case one goes out, make sure everythings up to date and working.
Or better yet backpack all this stuff on a bicycle. Again watch for surveillance and something suspicious on your bike. But I imagine it'd be harder to put a GPS on one of those.
*Tell no one, trust no one.
Pretty simple. Every person you tell or that finds out about your grow increases your chances of getting caught by at least 10%, not counting those really gabby people that find out.
Start becoming very very paranoid. Realize that this paranoia is real and is a good thing. Realize "UFOs", "ghosts" government conspiracies, corporate and media conspiracies, all that, ARE REAL. No fucking bullshit. You are just one person and they are out there.
Get sneaky. Learn how to be sneaky and unseen and be aware of your surroundings and people around you, like a ninja. Learn to think like a cop, act like a cop, talk like a cop, and profile people you see. Learn the law, and obey all laws, especially traffic laws. No stealing 75 cents worth of gum or skimping on your taxes. Don't be petty. Learn to think like a magician. Get inside peoples heads, figure out what they are thinking and doing by their actions, emotions. Learn to control that, how to use language to your advantage. Look up other magicians and mentalists and see what they do, figure them out and their tricks. Be prepared. Be paranoid. Read, watch, and research some more. Learn how they (governments, corporate media, etc.) are controlling you. Jack up. Either work out at home or at a gym. Get in good shape, even better shape, it helps for everything you will need to be doing, indoors or out, IF you have done the research you should have done. Acquire all the information you can about the areas you are in and frequent. Read the paper, online, or find out from people whats been going on. Find out more from more people, preferably those 'in the know'. Learn to ask questions, the right questions, in the right way.
Become MORE paranoid. Learn to control it. Its ok. Research everything and think things out fully before doing anything. Practice dry runs and learn to control the adrenaline and fear and paranoia. Get used to it. Enjoy it. Practice some more. Learn to enjoy it. Be safe. Go legit  |
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Anyway  ...................
Security 101 begins (true 101....) , indoor or out, large or small, with the "X Factor":
No matter what you do, no matter who and where and what you are and how much attention you pay to any and all aspects of any given operation.........
Your never 100% safe........
Period. Case closed.......
And once one realizes that, it all tends to seem much more manageable about adhering to protocol....
X Factor is essentially "acts of god"....or, simpler version to a degree "shit happens"...(fine line between the to sometimes  ...
Tornado ripping off the roof of your house (actual case)..............wildfires bringing attention or flooding wiping you out.....
Nothing you can do....
Everything else though is always manageable as long as one sticks with what they should...
I would say the second issue (in the whole scheme of things) is always set up with a teardown in mind......Always.
You should be able to rip it down and get it out asap......which can affect a lot of things.....method chosen, for example...(which should always be addressed anyway regarding supplies, as supplies are an ongoing exposure......
Read again: If the method you choose requires maintenance trips for supplies, (or difficult tear down), choose another...
Which feeds into always double down on supplies if at all remotely possible in ones situation ($).....which relates to the above.....obtaining supplies one of great risks for exposure in the entire process.....(repeated trips when you have something running...)
For larger projects a little easier (budget) to double and even triple down on any and everything need....which feeds into accumulation during the planning stage..(NO matter the size.....quite a bit of thought is done before a system is up and running....even for someone smaller...so....)
See.,...........the thing about these matters is it's not the things you have seen 100 times before that you need to know....
It's everything in between those.....
All inclusive Security thread not possible.......too many variations....could hit 100 pages and still not even be close to done...
Indoor and outdoor very similar.......any and all ops always the same.....a specific set of issues to be addressed, large or small, in or out, the same set essentially applies, although nuances of each might vary situations slightly and call for more or less...
Essentially, always the same across the board though......
Security 101?.....
Each and every task one addresses, no matter how small and seemingly insignificant it might be, serves a purpose.
It might even be the one thing that protected you in the end....
The Basics?
The basics are that you cannot operate any op of any considerable size in the same location for too long....
The longer one is successful, the greater the confidence they have in the location. (When, in reality, should be a sign that possibly it is time for a shut down, and another place.....
If talking anything of any size.....you can only push the location so far....
They call it "Knowing when your ahead/when to quit"
Or, the equivalent of "Don't push your luck"
I think the last point can be credited with a high double digit percentage of busts......
Pushing the location.....going too long....getting comfortable.....
Comfort is the universal sign/translation for/of "It's time to make a change"..
Going legitimate and exit strategies is not Security 101....That's Finance 101(which would include accounting)....(and an offshoot of Operations 101.) |
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these are some great write ups,,and true i dont think one can FULLY prepare for everything but these are damn great points to start with and in sure somethings will eventually get covered more than once,,,thats ok
going legit would be financial but how bout financial security haha just kidding but yeah it probably doesnt hurt to drop a reminder that if your making your money in a dirty way to find a way to turn it positive,,,im NOT saying launder money,,im saying start a different business and contribute back in a legal way,,do you really want to grow the rest of your life? (maybe so who knows),,,,anyway,, even i digress
minimize light leaks,pretty self explanatory i would think
lets see what about minimizing smell,,indoor? what is the most common and best way to do this,,if plastic can permeate smell what would be the best product to seal the rooms,,is plastic all there is really thats user friendly? where is the best place to route the exhaust from filtered air,,need to get a good suction in a sealed off room right?
what TYPE of aircleaners are best? is the charcoal airfilters better than the ozone generators?
always pay cash.
let new equipment cool for a period before use.
what do you guys think about ordering stuff off the internet? im guessing you would have to send money orders then right?
seems almost impossible to totally eliminate fingerprints on EVERYTHING pertaining to an indoor grow. but one would want to atlewast minimize them right?
already said DONT TELL ANYONE,,i dont think this can be said enough myself. keep your pride in check,,sure theyre beautiful but keep them to yourself! dont be flashy with your money OR your POT,,keep ego in check and your brain in tack. i guess if you really are someone who cant keep their mouth shut about something they should probably take a second look at if they should really be growing huh?
DONT LOOK like a drug dealer or USER (this should be self explanatory) ,,good first impressions are always important
hey what about always being THAT GUY with the fresh nugs? you know is it a big worry when in the south most pot is brick weed but when one sees good fresh nugs it can be a sign of a grow close by,,(this is for indoor and out i guess) what can be done about this or is it something worth worrying about? if someone wanted to sell what they cultivated would it be better to compress the pot or is there more money in nugs?
how do we keep nosy neighbors away? and still be friendly at the same time,, :-/ i guess be like nike and just do it huh? haha
ohh yeah cameras were mentioned,,,can never have too many of those i suppose but need to carefull where they are put,,,which brings me to,,,,
what about entire grow houses? one would assume similar but yet diff security issues. thats probably a whole other topic right there. Does this bring us into the dont get too greedy category?
what about security in stashing the cultivated material?
i like the grinding and chopping of the stems and leaves and spreading them around the yard.
now with electricity? we have LED grows,,but it seems i read somewhere that just regular flourescent lamps will grow too,,correct me on this,,does it HAVE to be HPS or 500-1000 watts plus? it just needs the color spectrums right?
what about installing a nice airconditioner in direct line with the lamps to keep heat down then heat wouldnt need to be vented right? what do people use to cool their lights on large indoor grows? with the wiring of timers and so on its probably not a bad idea to have a fire extinguisher?
i see now why it could hit 100 pages haha |
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| Mr.C wrote: | these are some great write ups,,and true i dont think one can FULLY prepare for everything but these are damn great points to start with and in sure somethings will eventually get covered more than once,,,thats ok
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Most of the time, it's just the same things over and over and over which are posted 100 other places, and, as soon as a thread is finished, a new one pops up to take it's place (of the same thing, over and over and over....)
Like the above....
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going legit would be financial but how bout financial security haha just kidding but yeah it probably doesnt hurt to drop a reminder that if your making your money in a dirty way to find a way to turn it positive,,,im NOT saying launder money,,im saying start a different business and contribute back in a legal way,,do you really want to grow the rest of your life? (maybe so who knows),,,,anyway,, even i digress
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From before harvest through liquidating investments and everything in between.
Was just covered....proper investment and banking, asset investigations,real estate and investment,tangible assets, business's through start up, and beyond.
Should be at least 40 pages of it.
One should always completely eliminate a "fake" business from their mind.......
Another expansive subject in itself.
Business's a subject which is very misunderstood by most.....The majority are able as we speak to start a business in some way, shape, or form.
Very misunderstood.
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lets see what about minimizing smell,,indoor?
what TYPE of aircleaners are best? is the charcoal airfilters better than the ozone generators?
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Carbon filters. Worth their weight in gold.
| Quote: | hey what about always being THAT GUY with the fresh nugs? you know is it a big worry when in the south most pot is brick weed but when one sees good fresh nugs it can be a sign of a grow close by,,(this is for indoor and out i guess) what can be done about this or is it something worth worrying about? if someone wanted to sell what they cultivated would it be better to compress the pot or is there more money in nugs?
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"Fresh" is never the problem per se......
We're talking "wet"
Different schools of thought (the wise and the opposite), and, while most tend to believe they make more off the wet weight then they do dry......a good dry and cure also increases value, not to mention wet is a total and complete security breach.
Signal source nearby, and they want the source.
Dried and cure, especially if astounding product, is always believed to have been obtained elsewhere. (Just say Cali
Everything goes to one person, always if at all possible.
As above, and, the most insignificant of things......
Lack of proper dry and cure in the end could be the one that gets you.....
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what about entire grow houses? one would assume similar but yet diff security issues. thats probably a whole other topic right there. Does this bring us into the dont get too greedy category?
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I thought we were talking about such....
"Whole house" as in complete and total shell is the biggest mistake any foolish person can make.....at that point, your into a commercial space.
Lot of people run 10k in a house........moderate sized...profitable......yet not over the top.......from there on commercial location might be better suited, and, as the budget starts to get up there (a proper operating budget), then the option of securing property for outdoor comes into play also...
Or.......to put it another way:
There is never a shortage of them in the news...
Very unwise....(whole house)...
Commercial....smaller multiples (locations) the way to go....
If one breaks it down...(we're back to financial)...a fairly "small" op can not only be profitable, but, completely pave the way for much greater things financially...(extremely efficient 4k might get you 170k in 12 months........and, of course, 4k, reasonably small......for a larger property?....4k would be absolutely nothing regarding power draw....could be worked and maintained by one person fairly easy, etc......)
170k for example can do quite a bit for one if they are wise financially.....
Example: School, home, investment property, a business, etc....or a combination of any or all of the above...
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now with electricity? we have LED grows,,but it seems i read somewhere that just regular flourescent lamps will grow too,,correct me on this,,does it HAVE to be HPS or 500-1000 watts plus? it just needs the color spectrums right?
what about installing a nice airconditioner in direct line with the lamps to keep heat down then heat wouldnt need to be vented right? what do people use to cool their lights on large indoor grows? with the wiring of timers and so on its probably not a bad idea to have a fire extinguisher?
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Light is your density and yield. Lot of people use flouro's and some LED's....
I have no idea why in all honestly....not most efficient..(depends on needs......clones?...of course flouro's...
Wiring not an issue if done properly, but, fire extinguisher never a bad idea..(homeowners should be less with one maybe also
Nah, light is your density and yield, so....either 1k's or 600's, and, anything smaller, well....
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i see now why it could hit 100 pages haha |
And of course, in the end...it all comes full circle because most issues lead into others which in turn lead to others and eventually right back again |
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| hey ,,that was a nice link,,thanks brotha,,should keep me busy for a week or so haha |
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when i was referring to indoor originally ,,i was thinking maybe garage area,,,spare room,,whatever
but i think you got my point regarding entire house,,and your right i have read about a ton of grow houses like that getting busted.
and i bet electricity is what gets them most of the time,,im guessing
i dont know why i said charcoal?? i meant carbon,, |
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| Mr.C wrote: | | hey ,,that was a nice link,,thanks brotha,,should keep me busy for a week or so haha |
No problem my friend....Lot of things touched on in that case. Still not done, but, pretty expansive coverage of a lot of topics...a little long through...(130 pages more or less....) but some amusement here and there also
| Mr.C wrote: | when i was referring to indoor originally ,,i was thinking maybe garage area,,,spare room,,whatever
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Most things applicable regardless.....efficiency and discipline is the key.....
Now your talking "Growing 101"
What you can, where you can, when you can, how you can
What it's all about.....lot of people have a lot of preconceived notions regarding what space they do, or do not have available...(and the potential of it...)
People run 10k's in garage's....so...all relative...
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but i think you got my point regarding entire house,,and your right i have read about a ton of grow houses like that getting busted.
and i bet electricity is what gets them most of the time,,im guessing
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Most of the time they are not running them right anyway across the board.....if one has the start up for such an op (including property), then gen set a minor cost.......furnish the visible areas minor cost.....etc....
(Granted, up until a year or two ago, they were all secured no money down anyway (100% LTV loans, "No money down" mortgages, superior FICO, etc...), but, still closing costs, all associated costs, monthly, reserves, etc...but then we're back to Finance 101
The days of vacant, non furnished/maintained houses are long gone....
Any and everything is always about risk/reward.....
Many cases, would be better off spending the money to secure acreage in a researched area....sometimes not even your own.......ie: If your state's penalties are unusually heavy, and your talking larger ops......200 miles away might be a different state with much more reasonable penalties, etc....
As always......angles are endless.....
Included in Security 101 would be pulling up and reading through all related cases.....researching ones state and region to see hot spots.....some areas might have more aggressive activity then others
One could check their metro and surrounding and find countless busts to the south, but the opposite direction, lack of anything...... |
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| i was just looking up mandatory minimum sentences regarding marijuana but cant seem to find a page that contains it all together since laws seem to be so drastically different from state to state and even counties within |
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| Mr.C wrote: | | i was just looking up mandatory minimum sentences regarding marijuana but cant seem to find a page that contains it all together since laws seem to be so drastically different from state to state and even counties within |
NORML-All 50 states and Federal
Knowing the penalties of your activities Security 101.
Sounds simple.....sounds obvious.....I wouldn't hesitate to say 95% of all people arrested have no idea what penalties their chosen numbers exposed them to.
95%....
Maybe 98.5% |
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| Joe wrote: | | Mr.C wrote: | | i was just looking up mandatory minimum sentences regarding marijuana but cant seem to find a page that contains it all together since laws seem to be so drastically different from state to state and even counties within |
NORML-All 50 states and Federal
Knowing the penalties of your activities Security 101.
Sounds simple.....sounds obvious.....I wouldn't hesitate to say 95% of all people arrested have no idea what penalties their chosen numbers exposed them to.
95%....
Maybe 98.5% |
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No problem....
Of course, they don't take into consideration certain enhancements.......school....weapon....prior history, and, can go any one of a number of different ways...ie: Manufacture/Intent/Possession, or all combined, etc..
But, a good starting point for a general idea...
Note: Most take a look at their state, close the window....
Take a look at all 50 and Federal and then get an idea of the overview...(Is ones state reasonable, or not....)
Some states declare minimal numbers a misdemeanor, so (I think a couple states that less then 5 is...)
Some states...New Mexico...Wyoming....Maine.....very reasonable compared to others, and, of course, in yet other cases, one might even be better off with Federal... |
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These CA Lawyers will send you a Great Book, Free on all 50 states Laws & Penalties. www.1800420laws.com
Don't have the time...Don't do the crime! Everything listed on this thread is great knowledge But remember put away $10,000-$20,000 first for Bail & Lawyer fees. You will need them right off the bat when shit hits the fan. I would say from talking to Lawyers that CI's are your 1st worry, LOE's watching grow stores-leading to F.L.I.R. Fly overs 2nd worry, Electric Bills next worry. Then all the other things already listed above. Never call fire dept. or 911 if you want to see the freedom of daylight again. Let it burn the evidence.  Filter everything (can filters are great) VENT NOT OUTSIDE  TELL NO ONE  DON'T DO IT TO LONG IN 1 PLACE  |
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| I m thinking of having a grow room too do you thing a filter and venting it up a chimney would do the trick...this will be in a basement and will a fly-over see the heat coming out of my chimney and will they see the out side wall glowing...........thanks |
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I would never vent outside. 18 hours of heat up the flu is a dead give a way. Steam all winter. My 1st BOGUS WARRANT was for a F.L.I.R. SEARCH. They said I was expelling excessive heat, even though it was around 100 degrees outside and ac was always on and temp was 72-80 and everything in basement and no outside vents.  2 days later th SS (SECRET SOLDERS) came and made off with the crop, and anything else they wanted. I guess it depends on where you live. But they are flying everywhere these days. Even more now that it's HARVEST TIME.  Please do alot of research and obey all the rules b 4 u start. Stay Free! PEACE & POT-POW  |
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