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awheezy405
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| I have heard that if you are sprouting a plant in miracle grow that eventually there is going to be too much nutrients and the plant will grow to fast and break in half? If this is true is there anyway i could save my plants? |
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littlenut
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| I have only ever had 2 growing experiences, of which one ended up in a bust. The first time was just one plant and we put fish emulsion in it and it was a beautiful plant. We did get that one harvested and it was awesome. The next time was 3 plants, and at the time they were confiscated they were going really good. Again, fish emulsion. We grew both times outdoors on our back deck. My poor mom-in-law kept watering and feeding them and kept teasing my son that she was helping him grow marijuana. She was clueless until 8 police officers showed up at our door and raided us. She looked at me and said, "they really were marijuana?" She thought they were tomato plants ! God love her !! |
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Joe
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: Miracle Grow? |
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I changed up your post a little......
You'll see why.... 
| awheezy405 wrote: | | If this is true is there anyway i could save my plants? |
What's wrong with them?, where are they? (pots, in ground), what do they look like?, are they fine?, are they burned?....ie: Do they need to be saved?...
Translation: If they are fine right now, then they are fine. There is no problem. Don't make one
| awheezy405 wrote: | I have heard that if you are sprouting a plant in miracle grow that eventually there is going to be too much nutrients and the plant will grow to fast and break in half?
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No.
The issue with MG is that it may be too strong for seedlings/starts...
Eventually?....
The plant's dietary needs will increase with time and size....
Eventually?...no....eventually...it may not be enough...
MG issue is burning starts, because too strong....
I disagree, as do many, because I have in the past done not only starts in MG, but with light feedings also on waterings...(but, good conditions.....)....
If you fear too strong, you could water with plain water to a good runoff......but, as above...if they look fine, then it's okay...if they are burned?, well, there is your answer and water with clean water with a good runoff (more than pot holds to exchange any other water or nutes....)
Also depends what kind....they have the organic MG now, so....
Good news is they will grow into whatever it holds soon enough (nute level) and even surpass it....
On that note: If feeding soil, the plant will eventually use up everything, so...depends whether planted in ground, in pot, will be planted in ground....if going in ground, lighter organic mix not bad, also make sure to check labels and try and find something that states "no burn" if your new and unsure of dosage of such things.......(you will get it more eventually.....) |
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socrateez
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 9:21 am Post subject: |
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I was thinking the same thing as you Joe: What's wrong with them in the first place?   |
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Joe
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Well, listen........several issues on this, several angles.......in no specific order....
1. I would germ in, say, Jiffy's or something else anyway...(so, they are already established by transplanting anyway.....)
ie: Jiffy's or something first week or so, then when established, go from there.......but, this differs from the norm in several ways, and probably isn't best approach for newbie (as you'd be feeding light while in Jiffy's anyway shortly most likely...)
2. If a concern...lighten it up...might want to add perlite to mix.....might want to go with organic MG in first place, might want to throw worm castings, etc (some perlite, worm castings, organic mix)...and then your fine in first place anyway......)
But, I have used a lot of stuff right off the shelf for starts....so...
Also depends on how your starting them....starting them out?, starting them in?......if in?, are we talking 3ft from a 150?, or 1ft from a 1k?.....(I have had outdoor starts 12" from 1k and started light feedings from cracked seed.....which is not something I would advice to a novice....but, nevertheless....a good example of , sometimes, there's more to something than you think you know  ....)
Published general theory won't find such.....(germ under 1k's, feed from cracked seed, etc.....) but, in practice, well, works extremely well when one has command and control over process
(Everything goes hand and hand......diet is proportionate to all other conditions....the more light, the more they eat, the more light and eat, the larger and quicker they get, the larger and quicker they get, the more they eat, etc....)
Example: 1ft under floro's?....might require no feeding at all first 2 weeks.....(if Feeding soil)....
Point(s) being there is no across the board standard answer for many things....
Some would say start feeding when coly's yellow.....well, I could do starts and 3 weeks in coly's still like day seed was cracked (because feeding started early, lighter, etc)....
Now the reason I always caution newbies is not to be obnoxious..(that's for other times , but that you have to understand process, have "a feel" for the growth first....when one understands process, "has a feel", it is easier to respond to plant's needs by sight alone....(ie: no measuring nutes, no checking ppm's, etc.....you know, because you see....)
Which is a big problem with new growers....they have not been through process, so, they are not sure whether what they are seeing is normal or not, because they have no baseline for "normal" yet...
(Other problem is well known, and, illustrated above.........the new grower may "hear" things from many sources....and, as is often the case, as shown above......what they "hear" is incorrect
Always a lot of that going around
Another thought that comes to mind is that while soil is less forgiving regarding pH, the flip side is most completely ignore it when doing soil (indoor or for starts), which is fine if your taking it at 6.2 out of the tap, but, you may be pulling off a well which comes out at 8.1.......
Lot of problems arise from that....people mistake some things for other things, and, then, end up "chasing" the problem...... |
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Mr.C
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| very informative,,,thanks for the info joe |
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stopthemadness
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| Speaking of Fish Emulsion....Where the hell can i find that stuff, i am going to attempt growing a couple and heard about that stuff, I need a response quick, my babies are growing FAST. |
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High Man
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If you are using organic nutes like fish emulsion (and add some unsulfered molasses too!), it is recommended to use unchlorinated water (ie, not tap water).
If using tap water, it is recommended to leave it out for at least 24 hours in an open bucket or something.
To find it, try a hydro store, online, or a greenhouse/nursery. Call around places and ask to see if they have it or know where to get it. Any nursery person should be able to at least tell you where you can find it.
I love miracle grow though. Cheap, easy, effective. And no, it doesn't burn seedlings and isn't too strong for them.
Add some perlite for soil aeration.
During flowering lower the amount of nitrogen fert you are adding, high nitrogen during flowering has a direct coorelation to cannabinoid production (it lowers/inhibits it- see my posts in medicine for your medicine forum).
I have yet to find a scientific article that says whether high/low phosphorous or potassium levels affect cannabinoid production positively/negatively, still looking though. Generally speaking though you want higher nitrogen levels for fert, and higher phosphorous and potassium levels for flower. |
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Joe
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| stopthemadness wrote: | | Speaking of Fish Emulsion....Where the hell can i find that stuff, i am going to attempt growing a couple and heard about that stuff, I need a response quick, my babies are growing FAST. |
Well, I believe you did mention elsewhere one of (or the) first grow.....so, my first question would be why?......
If your new....stick to complete, or near complete mixes..(veg and flower)....don't seek out certain things you have heard of, mentioned, etc...... |
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stopthemadness
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| Joe wrote: | | stopthemadness wrote: | | Speaking of Fish Emulsion....Where the hell can i find that stuff, i am going to attempt growing a couple and heard about that stuff, I need a response quick, my babies are growing FAST. |
Well, I believe you did mention elsewhere one of (or the) first grow.....so, my first question would be why?......
If your new....stick to complete, or near complete mixes..(veg and flower)....don't seek out certain things you have heard of, mentioned, etc...... |
fair enough, looks like im going to nashville, cuz nowhere around here has the shit i need |
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shortyflow
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| Joe wrote: | Well, listen........several issues on this, several angles.......in no specific order....
1. I would germ in, say, Jiffy's or something else anyway...(so, they are already established by transplanting anyway.....)
ie: Jiffy's or something first week or so, then when established, go from there.......but, this differs from the norm in several ways, and probably isn't best approach for newbie (as you'd be feeding light while in Jiffy's anyway shortly most likely...)
2. If a concern...lighten it up...might want to add perlite to mix.....might want to go with organic MG in first place, might want to throw worm castings, etc (some perlite, worm castings, organic mix)...and then your fine in first place anyway......)
But, I have used a lot of stuff right off the shelf for starts....so...
Also depends on how your starting them....starting them out?, starting them in?......if in?, are we talking 3ft from a 150?, or 1ft from a 1k?.....(I have had outdoor starts 12" from 1k and started light feedings from cracked seed.....which is not something I would advice to a novice....but, nevertheless....a good example of , sometimes, there's more to something than you think you know ....)
Published general theory won't find such.....(germ under 1k's, feed from cracked seed, etc.....) but, in practice, well, works extremely well when one has command and control over process
(Everything goes hand and hand......diet is proportionate to all other conditions....the more light, the more they eat, the more light and eat, the larger and quicker they get, the larger and quicker they get, the more they eat, etc....)
Example: 1ft under floro's?....might require no feeding at all first 2 weeks.....(if Feeding soil)....
Point(s) being there is no across the board standard answer for many things....
Some would say start feeding when coly's yellow.....well, I could do starts and 3 weeks in coly's still like day seed was cracked (because feeding started early, lighter, etc)....
Now the reason I always caution newbies is not to be obnoxious..(that's for other times , but that you have to understand process, have "a feel" for the growth first....when one understands process, "has a feel", it is easier to respond to plant's needs by sight alone....(ie: no measuring nutes, no checking ppm's, etc.....you know, because you see....)
Which is a big problem with new growers....they have not been through process, so, they are not sure whether what they are seeing is normal or not, because they have no baseline for "normal" yet...
(Other problem is well known, and, illustrated above.........the new grower may "hear" things from many sources....and, as is often the case, as shown above......what they "hear" is incorrect
Always a lot of that going around
Another thought that comes to mind is that while soil is less forgiving regarding pH, the flip side is most completely ignore it when doing soil (indoor or for starts), which is fine if your taking it at 6.2 out of the tap, but, you may be pulling off a well which comes out at 8.1.......
Lot of problems arise from that....people mistake some things for other things, and, then, end up "chasing" the problem...... |
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