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shortyflow
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High Man
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I had read this article some time back.
Theres also discussion of it elsewhere on the net with a lot of talk here..
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=42251&page=1&pp=15&highlight=dutch+filler+material
I was in Amsterdam around a year before this question was posted. I didn't see anything like they are talking about in any of the cannabis from coffeshops I smoked in, and no negative effects or gritty teeth or any of the plastered looking cannabis that is described. Just a whole lotta damn (Dam) good pot.
People say that has changed some though, and even coffee shops now are getting whats known as "grit weed"..
This question and answer seems a little strange to me, since everything is so vague. The person handled a substance and saw its effect under water, but did not test it on harvested, dried, cured marijuana, or compare samples of unadulterated cannabis and cannabis with the adulterant.
Also, if dutch marijuana is being adulterated, it is done so to aid the increasing outside demand for high quality dutch marijuana, which would imply it is mostly dutch cannabis found outside coffee shops and the Netherlands that is going to be adulterated (though now people say even coffeeshops are turning to the grit weed). How widespread is it? Well, millions of people aren't being hospitalized for smoking this stuff, and millions of people aren't talking out about it (not yet, depending how wide it is).
But it does seem to happen from time to time.
Cannabis that looks like this can obviously easily be avoided if people know what to look for.
And here are some pics!
http://circnordest.free.fr/alertetoxique/dossier.htm
Tests seem to show that the adulterant is sand.
Indeed the weed just doesn't look right, I donno why anyone would buy it thinking it looks good when it looks crackified. When its broken up clearly one can see white sand particles, as opposed yellow-beige trichomes/kief.
Here is another one from Germany.. The adulterant was lead shavings... Look at the pieces of lead in the pics, you can clearly see what it is, why would someone think this was good?
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/358/15/1641
Still, as far as the hype goes, seems like the same propaganda to me..
Dangerous, killer weed LoL.. Spiked weed. Better be afraid and not smoke it, its got crack and glass and shit mixed in! Be afraid of a plant!...
When I look at the reports is seems some groups are taking 'dutch weed' ('dutch skunk'), taking most of the THC off for hash production, then mixing back in adulterants for resale in illegal markets like the UK and France.
Another issue for me is the kind of adulterant jumps all over the place depending on who you ask. Some people say its glass. Or sand, or some kind of silicate. Ask another and its some kind of 'secret powder', added by the gangs growing the weed. Then for someone else it was asbestos. Theres even "stealth grit weed" now... Sometimes, it seems a little ridiculous, doesn't it? But I'm not smoking it either..
To me it more sounds like the smaller dealers or a few wholesalers who peddle the product are adding whatever they can to try and add weight to their buds for street sale.
Again, this practice is bad for real business (like in dutch coffeeshops), and my guess is that when it does happen it will hurt business and management will stop the practice once people catch on.
Another youtube bit... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_-Hf0NXMNU&mode=related&search=
For once I'm kinda glad I live in America, where people don't do this shit to weed. |
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Brute4291
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I heard that the gritty teeth was caused by Buds that were not cured properly and still had chlorophyl in them |
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Mr.C
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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if anything i would think that would be your shitty street dealer doing that crap.
i would say these cases of contamination are definitely few and far between,,
people who add sand or lead to their weed wouldnt get away with it for long,,,just a matter of time till an appropriate ass whooping is handed out then maybe theyll think twice
im not convinced that someone who takes the time to grow it and cultivate it would in the end ruin their own product.
that would defy logic to me. |
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High Man
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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That was my thought Mr C... That unscrupulous street level dealers were the ones adding contaminants (basically anything they could get), to add weight.
Many think though that a Dutch or other criminal gang(s) are the one putting the adulterants within the grass.
Without people speaking up, there is no way to know how widespread the problem is. 20 something reports here, and 20 reports there, does not tell me it is an overtly huge problem (again a few bad apples). But it is a problem none the less.
My other thought though was that it is not necessarily the growers (though often it is claimed it is...) but wholesalers who buy and sell the product for distribution.
Then though remember the rumors are that criminal gangs are growing this and selling it with adulterants. So no matter how much logic it may defy, these people aren't smoking it, they are just trying to make money. They make more money (allegedly) off selling grit weed.
Personally.. When people say things like "oh its a cartel or a high up gang" that kind of thing, I think government. What's the government connection? I bet there is one, especially in an instance of contaminated products. It makes for perfect propaganda.. Look at this dangerous weed now on the streets! Better not smoke! Must make harsher laws, think of the children! |
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