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Joe
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Yep, you got it right. Wow are you smart...... 
You continue to amaze.....
You know, I always wonder whose life is so uneventful.....and non existent.....that they have so little in their life.....that this is what they do with their free time....
Your boyfriend must be very proud
Your a man of substance....that is clear
Your an over achiever, aren't you? 
Yes, I'm sure your bagseed is the shit... No doubt.....you must be famous for it
(your sig shows your the type that wants to be famous ......Good luck...I'm absolutely positive your going to get there |
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High Man
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Joined: 04 Mar 2008
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Location: Space
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I had figured joe that you had seen the light, but it seems you’re one of these people that needs to keep posting even when they are clearly wrong.
Now there's 5 pages of rambling nonsense from joe. I am going to have to contact the board administrator...
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I am not about to go through all that and correct everything that is incorrect.
It would take far too much time, but, the fact is, basically nothing you have said is correct, and, by the word selection,phrasing/delivery and points you attempt to make, it is quite clear to anyone that you have very little actual knowledge of the plant, or growing.
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To quote the movie Detroit Rock City: Yeah whatever reefer-head.
This is the start of joe’s long rant filled with virtually no substance, but plenty of ad hom attacks, “lolol’s”, and smiley faces.
Let’s see if what you say joe holds up to science.
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1.(This caught my eye, and I thought particularly amusing lol
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I know it was amusing. What was the funniest part, the fact that what I said was correct, or the fact that even when you make ridiculous quotes out of context what I said is still correct?
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Color, aroma and "seed content" lolol
Potency varies with color and aroma and seed content? lolol
Your ridiculous......truly lol
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You know you should probably try and learn the English language sometime (as well as read things in context). In terms of Mexican brick weed, yes, it’s potency varies along with it’s aroma, color, and seed content.
Seed content is an especially important point to consider as it will directly affect overall cannabinoid content within any variety of cannabis (a point I am sure you will contend because you do not appear knowledgeable cannabis botany.)
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2.This was a classic lol
Really?.....so then where exactly does the production 1000x that of Mexico come in from 60 other countries? lol
Your clueless....truly.....
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I’m clueless? I’m wondering where you get your numbers from. Perhaps the air, or deep within your own mind. Because clearly what you said is not the case.
You say there is production that is 1000 times that of Mexico going on in 60 countries, yet you fail to prove such. At least you could have said it coherently. How many joints DID you smoke today?
Where are the facts for any of this? Where are your sources? Because we cannot take your word for it, since you have shown yourself to know very little about growing cannabis or basic cannabis biology, and we cannot just trust what you say or take your word for it. So where’s the proof? Because that crap your dealer is telling you about your Mexican brick weed being from Australia or Pakistan is nothing but bullshit simply told to you so you’ll pay more. Some quantities are coming from Columbia and Jamaica but not compared to Mexico.
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Amsterdam? lololol
Amsterdam is for newbie/amateurs lolol
For "tourists" lolol
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I knew you would make such a vapid comment.
Yes, Amsterdam IS for tourists. It caters to tourists and gets much of its income from tourists.
It also has the best cannabis on the planet. And all the tourists that go to Amsterdam go there to get the best cannabis on the planet, which is why the Dutch grow it that way. If you don’t know this, you obviously have not been there. And I am sure I will get a reply of “oh yeah I’ve been to Amsterdam and the weed there sucks the Mexican brick I get from my dealer who says it’s from Turkmenistan is the best shit EVER”.
Amsterdam is not for ‘newbies’ or amateurs. To say such says you simply know nothing about the place and have not been there. Anyone who is not experienced in psychedelics should be very cautious of indulging in the fruits of that city, lest they wind up like you joe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_%28drug%29
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Nooooooooooo.......it doesn't "depend" lolol
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To quote your immaturity: “ Actually yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh it DOES depend lolol!
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It will be exactly as genetics determine it to be.....
If the strain smells like berries, tastes like grapes, and is 19%...then that is what you will produce...
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Nope you are just outright wrong. Genetics will give you the starting phenotypes you desire such as aroma, taste, yield and high THC percentage, but those factors don’t necessarily mean anything depending on the plant’s environment and how it’s grown.
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Skill and environment and method will determine your yield...
But not the above....which are genetically determined before you even germ them...
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Nope wrong again!
Actually this shows your fundamental misunderstanding of genetics as yield, aroma, AND THC content are ALL genetically determined qualities, BUT that does not mean that the plant will express all these qualities to their fullest potential (or even beyond their natural potential) in most circumstances. Exactly how a plant is grown will affect all these phenotypes. That is where skill and environment come in, as these influence more than just your yield.
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Really.........where do these people come from, and where do they hear these things....
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Books and school joe, I read books and went to school. What do you read, tea leaves? Let me guess, you went to clown college right, because you certainly have not visited the Cannabis College in Amsterdam, let alone a REAL college LoLoLoL 
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It is not dry weight.....
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Then what is it of joe, the sky?
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This guys ridiculous.....truly, you are....
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Not as ridiculous as you are joe
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Now, go read some more about those "drug labs" you talk about lolol
(You'd know what you were talking about if you ever ran one lolol
Comical to say the least......"labs".....THC tested by weight lolol
aroma determining potency lol
"Labs" lolol
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=marijuana+grow+lab
Yep, labs. That’s where they produce all the good pot, like they do in Amsterdam. Yep, THC is tested by weight. Aroma determining potency, well, I don’t know what the hell you are talking about (and no one else does either), but everything I said concerning both aroma and potency in the context I said it in is correct.
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Yeah, this ones an authority , no doubt lolol
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More than you are. Your facts amount to putting a “lolol” and a smiley at the end of each sentence and suddenly you think what you say is in any way factual.
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Labs lololol
Virtually everything you said was inaccurate btw....
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Nope, everything I said was correct.
Everything YOU said was incorrect though.
Yes joe, labs. Apparently you have never seen one, since you don’t know anything about growing cannabis
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Threadstarter....
Genetics are genetics.
If you grow out a 16% blueberry cross, that is exactly what you will have
If you grow out a racy sativa that tastes like socks with an aftertaste of dead skunk in diaper....that is what you will end up with, regardless of method (soil,hydro,coco,etc) or other elements..(Co2,1k or a 20k.......or flouro's....)
Genetics are genetics......
Don't listen to these idiots....
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Nope, that’s wrong again joe! Genetics is not genetics as you simply put it, and clearly your knowledge of genetics is lacking as I have shown.
Trust me kids, listen to joe and you will grow shitty pot with low yields all the time (not that anyone should be growing anyway!).
How you grow something will affect what phenotypes are expressed and in what quantity, but that is not all. When growing, THC potency isn’t just a matter of growing it and then picking it, you want to harvest when THC production is at its highest, since during the flowering season THC production follows a bell curve pattern, starting out low, attaining a high, and then lowering again. It isn’t all just genetics as joe would like to believe.
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"Grow labs"........
YEEEEeah.
Listen to that guy.....he really knows what he's talking about...
GROW LABS!!!!!!
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http://www.google.com/search?q=marijuana+grow+lab&hl=en&start=10&sa=N
Yes joe, grow labs. That’s where a lot of cannabis is produced now.
Even the government produces it’s cannabis in grow labs.
Over 800,000 hits on google. That’s eight hundred thousand joe. You can count, can’t you?
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Couldn't resist......
This is a "grow" forum btw.......
Would be nice if those who didn't grow, not know anything about it, stuck to other forums....
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Yes it would be nice if you didn’t post anything its good you said that now you should put what you say into practice.
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See, those of us who know what we speak don't have to run to goggle it every time we see something.....
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Well the problem is you don’t know anything and every time you say something it is either incorrect or a lie so I would say you should do a google or wiki search before you ever post anything.
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Name a 25 strain.
Name a 35 strain.
Hell, try a 15.....
Should be easy for someone so knowledgeable....(VERY easy
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For someone like you who says they are so knowledgeable of growing I am amazed you are unaware of such cannabis.
If you are unaware of these “strains” then I would say you should RESEARCH as you will find all the resources you desire.
In Amsterdam most pot ranges in content from 10% THC on up. I would say the AK-47 I smoked was about 20% THC.
Still, scientists aren’t concerned with the doper concept of “strains” like AK-47 as opposed to Northern Lights. I think when you say “genetics is genetics”, you are probably referring to the fact that the RATIO of THC to CBD content remains fixed in the plant and is genetically determined, but overall cannabinoid production is mostly due to environmental factors.
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How is THC content measured?
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I already told you in my previous post that you apparently failed to read.
THC content is measured by weight, and there are probably a few different ways to do it.
http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/bulletin/bulletin_1981-01-01_3_page007.html
Here is another cool link with graphs of THC content measured in weight that you will not read
But in short typically a set amount of plant material is weighed and crushed and solvents are used to extract the cannabinoids from plant matter, then the extract is analyzed, usually with gas chromatography. In some studies, whole glandular trichomes are removed from buds/leaf under microscope with tweezers and examined.
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”(go ahead to wiki....I can wait...while your at it, see if they give you any of the labs the breeders use for their specimens? (probably not in wiki, but, common knowledge to anyone who has a clue about such matters, I assure you... ”
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Didn’t need to wiki. I don’t know what you are blathering about when it comes to labs, breeders, and specimens, but I can only assume you are on drugs far more debilitating than cannabis.
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This I love...I truly do
All brick is clearly of same strain and "as far as anyone can tell" it's Mexican?
so......(bear with me....... )
Brown or green,potency varies....color varies...aroma varies...and "seed content" varies..... It's clearly all the same strain?
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Mexican brick weed comes from Mexico, and is grown by Mexicans. Yep.
I guess you don’t know the stories of how they bring it in either?
Yep it is all the same strain, that is correct. Cannabis plants can have a high degree of differentiation depending on environmental factors (i.e. how it is grown), and how that cannabis is packaged and shipped (which is generally poorly in the case of Mexican brick) will affect the overall quality as well.
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(Not, you don't have to be a grower to see that statement.... ....
looks different,smells different, tastes different,but, clearly the same strain
"growing tips".......GROWing....
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Yep, clearly the same strain, just different methods of growing, packing, shipping, etc. But you don’t have to be a cannabis scientist or a grower to see that. Again like I said, rarely there will be something that doesn’t follow the same morphological characteristics, and it is this weed that is a Jamaican or Columbian shipment, but the main supply is from Mexico and Mexican cartels.
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Central America not know for it's production? ....
Never been there, have ya?
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Not on the scale Mexico is producing, especially not anymore, and if you can show what’s there is still being shipped to the USA by the thousands of tons, go for it. It doesn’t really matter, mass quantities of cannabis are being produced everywhere and is moved all around, so trying to say you know where something is coming from unless you yourself grew it only will get you into more trouble because you simply can’t back up your statements.
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I understand.........
I do.....
Only a grower or an advanced consumer would know what I mean...
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No, they wouldn’t, no one knows what you mean.
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Potency,taste,color,yield,structure.....everything about a strain is genetically determined.
Your blue strain is going to be blue depending on the individuals......
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Duh, I had to tell you this already. But you forgot that it is also about how a plant is grown that will determine whether these traits are expressed to their greatest potential or not. Also, while blue/purple hues can be a phenotypic trait, oftentimes it is a nutrient issue or some other issue.
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Your early/quick strain is going to be quick.....(if from seed, little variance....)
Doesn't matter if 1k's.......doesn't matter if outdoors....doesn't matter if a 20k.......
Genetics are genetics.....
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An early/quick producing strain is a very separate issue from cannabinoid content and yield. A strain that been altered to grow fast and low, like lowrider, allows you to flower it after only a few months vegetation time. But that doesn’t mean you can keep the lights on 24 hours a day and not go to 12/12, or think if you plant them outdoors in April that you’ll have bud by July. The only other possibility for this would be if the plant was auto-flowering. Now again though, THC content, yield, aroma, height, will all be determined by how it is grown, the light it receives, etc. in addition to its natural genetics.
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You acquire certain genetics to produce the plants with those specific traits strain is known for....
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But those traits will not achieve their maximum potential unless you grow the plant properly.
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(I am doing this at this point more for those who are genuinely curious, then for you.....Your clearly an "armchair" kind of guy from statements made.....
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I do not think anyone is curious about what you say, as your rants clearly show you responding to me to sate your own ego after it was bruised previously, much in the same way as you reply to everyone else.
I am unsure of your ego after this posting, I am sure you will only become more vapid and unable to see you are clearly wrong, or research points. I hope you will instead leave the issue as is, or perhaps let someone else give their opinion on the matter (and then not attack them for it).
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Incorrect.
Finished produce will be the same whether grown in coco under a 400, planted outdoors,E&F with hydroton as part of a 12k using AN....(of GH 3 part, or FN series....)
Ever hear the phrase "woefully out of your depth"?
(I'm sure you have......)
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Ah nope what I said was correct and what you said is completely wrong. Especially with outdoors with such an uncontrolled environment you can never expect what you will get unless plants are somehow maintained even slightly. Indoors if you are using ebb and flow or any kind of hydroponic or aeroponic system (or even soil) with the correct lighting and overall setup and are not getting premo bud then you suck. Maybe try adding Co2 and UVb lights and reading up on other factors that affect THC production.
The finished product will not be the same. You are woefully out of your depth young padawan.
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"advanced techniques"
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Yep, advanced techniques!
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Plants grown indoors typically have more THC than out......
Are you referring to more resin?....or you referring to a tested sample of product?
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I was clear with what I was referring to. I don’t know what you are blathering about.
Larger glandular trichomes? Increased glandular trichome production? Increased THC production within resin heads?
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genetics are genetics.......
MNS CM is MNS CM....whether in or out.......floros,400 or 1k......
Never done either, have you?
(yeah, I know, I'm being a prick bout I have a thing about people spouting about a subject they have no direct knowledge or experience with...
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You are obviously too stoned for real knowledge to permeate your brain, especially as you keep saying the same retarded phrases that mean nothing.
Genetics simply isn’t genetics as you put it. Cannabis grown under different conditions will have different yields and potencies. MNS Critical Mass is bred for high yield, but that doesn’t mean you will get what you should if you don’t grow it under optimal environmental conditions.
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Grow labs
Yeah, your a pro....that's for sure .....
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I’m enough of a pro to know you are a doper.
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"Hey guys, don't tell me....I know about those grow labs"
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They are in the news all the time, go read about them. Even the government has them.
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I'd love to know more about your breeding techniques........and what kind of "grow lab" you have
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It’s already as simple as I explained and is a matter of evolutionary selection.
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"certain grow labs that have gone through the process"......
Don't forget to name those strains above...
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There are no published names for the strains. They have gone through a selection process as I have already explained, those plants selected for the highest THC content over time.
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THC percentages in tested samples are not, nor ever have been dry weight,.....
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http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/bulletin/bulletin_1981-01-01_3_page007.html
http://www.amjbot.org/cgi/content/full/91/6/966
It appears that cannabinoid content is measured in dry weight, at least in these studies, but that is not the only kind of measurement they make.
Check out this link from the article:
http://www.amjbot.org/cgi/content/full/91/6/966/F3
That’s a nice graph. I hope you understand it.
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For those curious....do you think you will dry sift,ISO/QWISO/BHO,or do bubble run and get a quarter pound?
That's what they are saying when talking about dry weight
That a lb is actually up to 35% resin
(To anyone who has ever done a bubble run with a 4% return, well, so much for that (and, THC is not 100%, so./.....would be actually then a quarter of your return that might be pure depending on your bubble technique.....
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I don’t know what you are talking about, but I am discussing the scientific methodology used when quantifying cannabis. I am aware of these techniques for extracting cannabinoids from plant matter, but those are not scientifically tested methods. This is not back alley science with random numbers thrown around.
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35% of dry weight
YYYYyeah...... half pound return running a p
(THC not only content of resin of course...only one of hundreds of components of resin..which is what tests are measuring....
Nothing to do with dry weight.....(That statement could actually then be applied to trim, since that is what many use for iso/bho,dry sift and bubble runs....
Trim that's 35%?......wow.....market the strain.....you'd make a million by Christmas....
(You really would.......would fetch $500 a pack easy if 35% by dry weight even on trim
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Again, you must be on drugs that are beyond the scope of cannabis. You should stay out of the realm of science. I am not talking about back alley methods of extracting cannabinoids.
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Interesting, since, as above, certain things highly in demand right now are from stock of the 80's...
Go read another article....
Acapulco gold huh?........
Do you know why anything would be gold?
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Stock of the 80’s is not the same as weed grown and smoked in the 80’s . Growers want those achenes (seeds) that come from those old strains to grow them to their fullest potential, and continue the process of evolutionary selection from there to create a high THC producing strain of an old favorite, like say strawberry fields. After so many generations then they will perhaps cross it with another high THC producing strain (preferably one that has also gone through a similar selection process), and go through the process of selection again for a few more generations.
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As above......Amsterdam is kiddieland and has not been the "place to be" for at least 15 years....
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Yeah sure it is OMFG ROFL.
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Amsterdam...Canada
Yeah, Amsterdam sure the place to be if you prize product that has been kiefed,cut early, dried half ass and no cure......
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What the fuck are you talking about? You obviously have never been to Amsterdam, as I have said previously.
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(Where do people think all the hash, oil, and edibles come from?
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They come from trim, which is not really good to smoke. Or bud that isn’t good enough to be sold in shops, stuff no one wants. Or they use the good shit too, but they aren’t going and reselling that.
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Can you say "sucker"
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If you think only suckers go to Amsterdam, then you are an idiot. But its ok, you are very funny to laugh at.
I wouldn’t recommend Amsterdam or Canada for you though, not only would the cannabis put you on your ass, the people there generally go for the more intelligent, less asshole kind of individual, as opposed to yourself. Americans like yourself give America a bad name and your attitude needs to change.
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You have no knowledge of strains....so......your comments pointless..(don't forget to name the 25 and 35 strains...in between also if you can
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You have no knowledge of strains or what they are and how genetic information is transferred and expressed. You also have no real knowledge of growing cannabis.
I mean come on, you say things like “genetics is genetics” and that you can just grow something in dirt and it will come out to be this grand old plant. You want to hold on to this idea that cannabis hasn’t evolved when actually has, all due to human intervention. You said trichomes are not ripped off by wind and rain outdoors (when they are in fact), and you are trying to tell me I have no knowledge of growing and you have a vast expanse of cannabis knowledge? I know that shit from reading High Times 10 years ago.
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See, another reason why I figured I'd slap you a little......
No.......it's clear I have absolutely no knowledge, isn't it?
"woefully out of your depth" ring a bell?
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Clearly your head is up your ass.
Again, you have a lot to learn young padawan.
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Again with that
Wow....people will be thrilled to hear their yield on DS,Bags,ISO,BHO will be 25% of weight ....
Wtf are you getting this stuff from?....(most likely others as himself, who have written their articles without any direct knowledge or experience.....
What's next?.....your going to share how purple food coloring in rez will make purple buds? Sticking a feather in your ass does not make you a chicken
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I was never talking about back alley extraction methods, get with the program slacker! If you want to confuse science with hill billy bullshit, go spew it on some other message board with a bunch of drugged-out slack jawed stoners.
If you are unaware of such strains then you should do some research and get with the times. Perhaps you should start by putting down the bong.
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A non grower with no growing knowledge or experience answering grow questions......
Correctly
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Any monkey can go a quick search and see that everything you are saying is wrong. It’s pretty easy really. They don’t need to grow or even smoke weed. It amounts to pushing a button. I did it and you can too.
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Threadstarter....addressed above........
Let this guy sit in his "grow lab" making claims of 25% dry weight bubble runs
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What the hell are you blathering about? Go read a book and finish getting your GED.
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Think of genetics as your "input"....
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I think of you as having never read anything about genetics.
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High yields?......set up aside, you want to go with high yielding strain.....(or compensate with volume)
Prefer up high?.....stay away from hardcore indicas....go towards 60/40 crosses, etc.......
Quick finishing?......not going to get it running 12 week Haze crosses....etc.......
Genetics are genetics.....
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Yep, more genetics is genetics nonsense. Science just doesn’t support what you are saying. Picking strains for specific phenotypes is not a bad thing, but it just isn’t like you say it is unfortunately. Much depends on how the plant is grown, as well as genetics.
I can only say repeatedly before you make another posting joe:
Jesus Christ man save yourself the embarrassment and quit while you are WAY behind
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Oops too late you did it again joe.
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"turn mexican weed into good weed"?
Sorry to break it to you......it's probably not mexican in the first place
Noooo......you can't turn something into something else.
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Wrong on both points again joe. It actually IS Mexican, despite what you want to believe, and yes, you can “improve” any variety of cannabis through growing.
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Indoor and outdoor are ways you can grow cannabis, they have nothing to do with variety.
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Light determines density (yes, even on things normally nor as dense, sativas, etc....and, Co's will enable greater use of all factors providing all in line..
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Light determines more than just plant density.
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Will there be a difference when conditions are improved?...yes, seen first in yield......if genetics have determined that is a 12% plant, it seems you and others are insinuating skill or conditions will turn that into a 25% plant.
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HAHAHAHAHA hmmmm seems your back peddling on your own ideas now, I guess you did do some skimming but still just don’t want to admit you are wrong.
You won’t get 25% with any plant in the first run (but with selection over time maybe you can), but in general with technique both yield AND potency can be increased, meaning that Mexican brick that’s 4% can be cranked to maybe 10%. In time anything is possible.
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"They grow sensimilla also"???
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They have been improving technique over time yes, and this is evident when you find Mexican brick weed that does not have many seeds in it.
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Have you ever seen an actual op anywhere ? Ever?...Mexico or any other country?.... (Don't lie....your statements would be different if you had
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Have you joe? Don’t lie, cause we know you have not.
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What you and other "knowledgable" people seem to be missing is the primary factor in quality has little even to do with genetics when talking imports....it's the dry and cure...
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No it isn’t. Drying and curing will do nothing if the plant wasn’t grown properly. Drying and curing does not increase trichome or THC production in any way, not will it convert THC acids to usable THC. It only dries the bud out. This may make it smoke better and may improve taste, but no real study has been done on such factors. Curing really is just an extended process of drying the plant out, allowing for all the water to fully evaporate from the plant tissues.
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You take some MNS SSH,select keeper, cut em down, throw em in the sun to sit for a week and then strip and press and wrap....you think it will be the same as what one will skill produced following preferred procedures?......
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Well thankfully no one except Mexicans package their weed in the way you describe (unless they are an idiot like you joe), so if you do happen to get buds that aren’t from Mexico, they usually have been dried without being crushed in handled in such a way as to not damage trichomes, and perhaps sometimes it may even be cured.
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Hundreds of ops and growers not only in Mexico, but worldwide.....and, I assure you....many do know what they are doing
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They know what their doing enough to be able to supply a market they know there is a demand for, but that doesn’t mean Mexicans know what they are doing when it comes to growing primo bud.
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It may not be as large due to inadequate nutes...buds very well might be loose due to inadequate sun.....but the finished product and potency will be exactly what they bought or acquired in the first place....ie: One won't plant DP F PPP's and end up with small loose indica...
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No one is talking about a plant suddenly switching variety, but overall quality will be diminished including potency and yield, depending on how a plant is grown, and this is a point you really need to realize.
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Yield might not be great due to issues.....might not be as large due to inadequate nutes and methods....but, what yield one does get, will be exactly what they run and hopped for., and, they will be left researching why such occurred, and, eventually find the knowledge which it seems no "experts" here possess .....
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Your run-on sentences really aren’t very coherent and as such it’s hard to understand what you are blathering about, so perhaps you’d like to try again and not be self contradictory.
How can the yield always be the same like you say if an adequate environment is not given? If you do not give a plant enough grow space, it will not grow as tall and yield will be greatly diminished. Even non-growers know this.
So you are saying an 8 foot tall plant grown in 8 gallons of soil will still only give 2 ounces of bud as opposed to a 3 foot plant in a small housepot HAHAHAHAHAHHA OMFG ROFL and you are touting yourself as an experienced grower OMFG bullshit LOLOLOL!!!!!
Well joe goes on about “potency is potency” and “genetics is genetics” but I already debunked that bullshit and showed he doesn’t know anything about either potency or genetics.
He even starts to back peddle and state that how a plant is grown will affect yield, but he still won’t cave into his potency always being the same thing!
Oh well, maybe one day he’ll read the science and come to light, and realize his claim of potency is a grave misunderstanding of how the ratio of THC to CBD in a plant remains fixed.
It seems countless people have tried to show you the error of your ways joe, but your pointless rants that ramble on, being nothing more than a pathetic diatribe of ad hom attacks.
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I have seen very little (if any) evidence that last posters have even the most basic knowledge of growing by their statements. The most basic.
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That’s funny, considering we actually gave you factual information with sources you can go look up for yourself.
You on the other hand gave nothing but garbage from your mouth. You change your story over and over and contradict yourself. Hmmmm.
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Just because one reads a 20yr old grow book, a wiki entry, or an article (latter 2 by people with no experience no doubt), in no way even begins to equip one to talk with authority or experience.
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You’re an idiot. You obviously have never read a book, wiki entry, or the articles posted for you.
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High Man
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LOLOLOL
OMG I just read one of joe's posts where he says Mexico is producing some of the best weed and is one of the best places to grow HAHAHAHAH
Yeah that Mexican brick weed is real good shit wayyy better than anything in Amsterdam or from a grow lab
I showed plenty of grow labs in my previous post. Heres another one for you
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1378.html
Yeah Mexican brick weed (from Columbia or Jamaica or some other of those 50 unnamed mass suppliers you keep blathering about) is WAY better than that shit ROLF OMFG LOLOLOL   
Watch him change his story now again as he has done a million times.
All this guy does is post some bs and a smiley at the end of it 
There's no reason to even bother reading his posts anymore, just skim them for the comical bits!
Just remember it is never as simple as genetics being genetics folks (but you already knew that )!
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Joe
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So you have someone here claiming to be a smoker, making insulting comments to someone else about "reeferhead".....
You have someone claiming Amsterdam some golden mecca, when almost any dispensary in California has, literally, a slection that would surpass many coffeshops combined.
"kiefing", btw, as you claim above while insulting me, is the process of taking your finished dry product and running dry sift on it, and using the yields for things such as hash, and oils, and edibles. This is what is, and has been done in Amsterdam for quite some time to maximize yield.
You speak of "labs"....and produce a room.
An aero setup does not consitute a "lab".
No grower, breeder, or consumer has used that phrase in the known history of indoor cultivation.
The you contradict equatorial growing conditions, which simply cannot be.
I'm sure your very proud........I'm sure those elective drug classes your department or agency sent you to claimed to be "letting you in on the real deal"......
But they weren't.....
You then speak (insult) about "keep looking for 80's clones)......which, anyone actually involved to any higher degree in the community known is indeed the case, along with the RKS projects.
Here is a remarkable statement:
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Still, scientists aren’t concerned with the doper concept of “strains” like AK-47 as opposed to Northern Lights.
I think when you say “genetics is genetics”, you are probably referring to the fact that the RATIO of THC to CBD content remains fixed in the plant and is genetically determined, but overall cannabinoid production is mostly due to environmental factors.
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"strain" is a doper concept?
"Scientists aren't concerned with "strains"?
The ratio of cannabinoids can be manipulated by cut time, and is not fixed, ever
Now.......you can slink your ignorant insulting ass back in and talk more all you like.....
The fact remains.....I have never seen, as above...read through, anyone so completely programmed with shit.
THC percentage by dry weight of plant? No, Common knowledge..(percentage of THC to other cannabinoids....)
"Grow labs" (he means an aero set up .....)
Hold on.....got another good one for your incorrectly government programmed ass
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A strain that been altered to grow fast and low, like lowrider, allows you to flower it after only a few months vegetation time.
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No one veg's " a few months"
Most will veg for 2-4 weeks and flip to 12/12.
" a few months" veg isn't even done in tree growns with DWC.
Keep talking....Lowrider allows you to flower them after only a few months veg time...
HEY GENIUS.....LOWRIDER IS AN AF AND STARTS FLOWERING IMMEDIATELY
A fast strain allows one to only veg for a couple months
Here how it works Mr. Pro.
Veg time and flowering and 2 completely seperate matters..... a 50 day strain can be flowered 12/12 from seed......or can be vegged 3 months. Veg time is up to the individual grower.
Your even more a genius than the other guy (and they sent you to all those classes
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Lowrider is an AF. It does flower under 24hrs.
I especially liked your statement about how early/quick strains means they don't have to be kept under veg for more than a couple months.....
You truly get the FOS award......now, run your dumb ass to admin and whine like a little girl all you like...but, still won't give you a clue....
Yeah, Amsterdam really know how to run their drug labs.....
I had to give the other guy 2, but, I do have a couple left, so, here, couple clues for you too
Throw out some more of your wisdom....(and insults..) I can correct your ignorant ass all day...
(That last comment about "quick strains allow only a couple months veg time" was priceless......(aqdmin, please.....close thread if you like, etc, but, don't remove...I want to show some people these guys (labs, quick strain couple months veg, weight percentage of plant, etc......)
See.....you can insult all you like (and here and there , I'll feel free to do the same..)...but, doesn't support your statements, which are known as ridiculous......so....
You are......and still....remain "woefully out of your depth"....
Go tell a different crown about early/quick stains only needing a couple months veg time....(btw...those "labs" you sent links of....maybe 1 week veg on clones in aero...)
Before you get ready to do your next round......tell me...how does it feel to find out your so misinformed......ignorant of what you believe yourself to be well versed in.....
("yeah, I smoked 20% ak47....I speak of amsterdam, but don't know what kiefing is......I've seen those aero setups in the grow labs......".....
Amsterdam.....tell the truth....they laughed your ass right out, didn't they |
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Nope you are just outright wrong. Genetics will give you the starting phenotypes you desire such as aroma, taste, yield and high THC percentage, but those factors don’t necessarily mean anything depending on the plant’s environment and how it’s grown.
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Skill and environment and method will determine your yield...
But not the above....which are genetically determined before you even germ them...
Nope wrong again!
Actually this shows your fundamental misunderstanding of genetics as yield, aroma, AND THC content are ALL genetically determined qualities, BUT that does not mean that the plant will express all these qualities to their fullest potential (or even beyond their natural potential) in most circumstances. Exactly how a plant is grown will affect all these phenotypes. That is where skill and environment come in, as these influence more than just your yield.
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Joe
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Now, it's obvious from what I have seen, out of all threads, and all posts in threads, I have only seen 1-2 actual growers/ex growers.
Now, you amateur wannabe's can spout your "original" ideas all day long.....and....I'll address it....
Genius above can talk about your "super grow labs"...(which is actually just simple a 18k/30-600, aero set up, clones, flipped down as soon as rooted...) Not some "super lab"....set up by people the world over every day.
You want reality?......I've presented it and will continue to do so....
Now.....more importantly is the reader who is actually wading through this to learn something (try, or was)....
Few above have actually displayed any real knowledge....any evidence of experience.....(As said...I've only seen 2 or so on entire board that seem to be real.....)
For those people...(who actually want to learn something)....you can see clearly through all statements I and others have made.....(early/quick strain meaning only a couple months veg time is new classic )
Note to people: You can flower a clone as soon as rooted (SOG..), you can veg it 3 weeks....you can veg it for 3 months (90 days).You can do 12/12 from seed runs...or you can give them 6 weeks veg. Veg time is strictly up the to grower according to your space "early/fast signifies it's finishing times"...how soon after 12/12 or outside it will finish. Nothing to do with veg time. And, yes, AF's will flower immediately under 24/0.
(actually of interest also is the above poster.....High........read through carefully.......
btw..........
If your posting a 10yr old link to CC about a mid size aero set up, and quoting High Times?.....well...... 
The you are, indeed, woefully out of your depth
First year novice would be able to make same corrections I have in a course of a year or so.....
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Joe
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Trust me kids, listen to joe and you will grow shitty pot with low yields all the time
(not that anyone should be growing anyway!). |
And here we have the summary.
Read it twice to understand poster, knowledge, motive, and agenda.
Me?....I'll be glad to do my best to help everyone grow that wants to. No problem. (And, can teach anyone within a day. Have before, will again. MUCH more simple than most believe initially)
See, the US government engages, or attempts to discredit when they do not like, or fear a message or information put out. They attack messenger, and, as above, clear from post..like, 95% is just insults in reply to corrections. They skirt issues, they huff and puff....
It's the American way.....(Ask Barry...he knows well the propaganda machine
(And to non/potential growers.....anyone, anywhere, anytime can....it's very simple...people do so as small as converted cabinets and even the micro ops in computer towers with CFL's....good complete nute line (prevent micro deficiencies)...whatever space you have....little reading....Done. Thousands, if not more, start growing every year. (Which they would like to prevent). You don't need large spaces (helps ..you don't need huge budget (Many use CFL'
s in micro grows and 250's and such in SCROG ops....)
read it again for prosperity:
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(not that anyone should be growing anyway!). |
"Growing Tips" forum huh?
Thanks High.....you made it very easy
(or maybe you just mistook this for the NON growing tips forum
Maybe admin should look at someone else .....(Member whose agenda is that no one should grow in the grow forum?
I liked the "reeferhead". Has a nice 60's-70's law enforcement ring to it.
To anyone actually wondering about Amsterdam....don't bother....you can grow same things out that they have on the shelf, just get the stock.....will be better, because over there they kief everything, and, no cure on it...sometimes, not even flushed. All Fact. |
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Joe
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A strain that been altered to grow fast and low, like lowrider,allows you to flower it after only a few months vegetation time. |
You like links....
SS AK47 recommended veg time 5-10 days
AK is not a particularly "quick" strain either. About average. 60's (days) nothing special.....
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A strain that been altered to grow fast and low, like lowrider, allows you to flower it after only a few months vegetation time. |
How it works, for people who want to grow, is, during flowering you will get a significant "stretch".....
If you have 4ft of height in your space...your best off flowering 6" or less......12/12 from seed may even not be adequate depending on strain (Sativas done 12/12 from seed can end up at 5 feet....) Indicas, might be 1ft.....
You alter your veg time (24/0) according to your space's limitations and personal preference...(SOG, minimal veg time...Scrogs, maybe a little more.....DWC, you want em larger for tree's....etc......)
Care for another?
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A strain that been altered to grow fast and low, like lowrider,allows you to flower it after only a few months vegetation time. |
Hmmm.....and extremely long strain, not fast, or low.....but, lo and behold...veg time 1-5 DAYS
One more time
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A strain that been altered to grow fast and low, like lowrider,allows you to flower it after only a few months vegetation time. |
A strain, Lowryder, for example, allows one to flower it after only a few months veg time?...
Too bad lowryder flowers from seed and is done in 9 weeks....
Yeah, us reeferheads like links too
I would assume case is closed at this point Mr. fast strains can be ONLY vegged for a couple MONths
Isn't that the school bell ringing?
Must be, cause class is definitely dismissed
The worse part is....I'm sure your the departments/agency pride and joy...Their resident "grow lab" expert.....
quick and fast strains allowing ONLY a couple months veg time...
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FZRaven
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Joe, really just sit back and smoke a joint, chill the fuck out.
Just drop it, this thread is going nowhere at all. The last 4 pages are just bickering back and forth. And just a little advice, next time maybe come at it with a cooler head.
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Bongzilla
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socrateez
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Ditto, its getting harder to pick useful dialog out of Angry Rantings.
So, there seems to be quite a bit of controversy here as well as pride.
Several of you have excellent material and viewpoints to offer this forum.
Please. Keep it nice.
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I don't want to get involved in this mess but I came over to read this thread after hearing about it and posting earlier and I think it should be read a second time by the members above. There's only one true actual accomplished and recognized professional in this thread. I'll probably be trolled for this but won't be back to read it because I've seen enough of what kind of site this is and members it has and who it considers contributing.
M-I know how you can be but don't waste your time here. Your better than this and better than them. I don't know why you came here in the first place.
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Joe
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| UnclePhil wrote: | There's only one true actual accomplished and recognized professional in this thread.
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You mean this guy?
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And that would be?
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Thank you. I'm humbled...........sincerely.....Very kind of you to say.(Wasn't sure until saw the G.....)
Just visiting.....I like Barry....
After this:
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A strain that been altered to grow fast and low, like lowrider,allows you to flower it after only a few months vegetation time. |
My point has obviously been proven..(and not by cut and pasting wiki links either
I guess everyone on web is an expert....until they have to prove it
(I know, I know, I know....please, once more....just once....
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A strain that been altered to grow fast and low, like lowrider, allows you to flower it after only a few months vegetation time. |
Seriously...it's important we get the message out.....all those people trying to veg lowrider for couple months....
And the person who posted that talks smack and insults?
He should be sharing that expertise helping people set up their "labs" (he means rooms....ops......) Did you catch the part about "the best cannabis is grown in labs?"
He can press and iron their white coats and teach them how Amsterdam kiefed bud is the best in the world.....(even though no flush, no cure....I guess he doesn't know Amsterdam shops are high turnover commercial ventures .....
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Joe
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| FZRaven wrote: | Joe, really just sit back and smoke a joint, chill the fuck out.
And just a little advice, next time maybe come at it with a cooler head. |
You know....us "reeferheads"....us "dopers"......us "drugged-out slack jawed stoners".......
I thought we always were....
And, btw....while your advising me on my conduct....My insults are directed towards whom I address...I wasn't the one who said..."reeferhead".... "doper"......"drugged-out slack jawed stoners"Those are blanket statements....encompassing an entire community.....
I should chill, when another insults everyone?, or didn't you notice?
Thanks for the advice.....I'll keep it in mind next time I'm addressing wannabe trolls.......sure it will come in handy....
Newsflash......anyone in any capacity of community do not use the phrases:"reeferhead".... "doper"......"drugged-out slack jawed stoners
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Absolutely.......like this one:
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and, now....I'm off, to the LABoRatory.....MUhahahahahHAHAH........
(really just a 16k, flip flopped, 240,4x8's,EF,hydroton,but laboratory sounds so.......so......federal
Come Egor......to the Laboratory.....
MUhahahahahHAHAHAHAHAH....
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All I was saying is that for the last 4 pages everyone has pretty much just ranted. Sure the other people that kept posting were no help, but you just won't give up. So far we have about 4 pages worth of nothing but back and forth of who's got the bigger dick.
So I'll make this post as crystal clear as I can.
Just drop this thread cause it's going no place fast, it's just going to keep devolving into even more of a flame fest. Sometimes even if you are right you just need to step back, your not going to get your point across when everyone is just ranting.
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