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cecilknucks
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| This is a response to the dude joes critique of things written by someone else. Joe its obvious to me, someone who knows a large amount about growing, that some of the things you speak of are untrue. for one yes genetics does play a large part in the outcome of your product. but by using many methods such as c02 enrichment,more light, yes more kilowatts do make a difference contrary to what u stated, and good nutrients you can turn some mexican weed into some good green. mexicans grow sensimilla also and i dont think they just go out an pick up some bullshit seeds, i believe they use the same seeds to grow thier good shit as they do thier brick, its just that there good shit is grown with more care then the brick. this is apparent to anyone who has attempted to grow green in there back yard with no knowledge of growing. just puttin it in the ground and waiting for it to grow. this green will grow up to be bullshit,it will have stringy loose buds because it didnt recieve the proper amount of light. but only because the person who grew it, did it under poor conditions. but given that person put that same plant under a 1000w hps, with proper ventilation, nutrients and c02 that plant will yield some sticky buds.there is a large gap between the outcome of a plant under poor conditions and the outcome of a plant under optimum conditions. but as stated before genetics is genetics, so u cant push a weak strain but so far but u never know what strain your dealing with, because i could have some purple urkel, white widow or any other good strains but if i grew it in the same manner as the mexicans you probably wouldnt even be able to tell it coulda been some fire ass green. until u grew one of the seeds under optimal conditions. because remember seed production takes up some of the plants resources which causes the bud to be less potent. |
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Joe
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| cecilknucks wrote: | This is a response to the dude joes critique of things written by someone else. Joe its obvious to me, someone who knows a large amount about growing, that some of the things you speak of are untrue.
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Not another one  ....
Let me tell you something......it is the statements you and others make, that signify you know not nearly as much as you think....
Let me show you...
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for one yes genetics does play a large part in the outcome of your product. but by using many methods such as c02 enrichment,more light, yes more kilowatts do make a difference contrary to what u stated, and good nutrients you can turn some mexican weed into some good green.
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1. "turn mexican weed into good weed"?
A. Sorry to break it to you......it's probably not mexican in the first place
B. Noooo......you can't turn something into something else.
Your mixing indoor with out. Light determines density (yes, even on things normally nor as dense, sativas, etc....and, Co's will enable greater use of all factors providing all in line..
Will there be a difference when conditions are improved?...yes, seen first in yield......if genetics have determined that is a 12% plant, it seems you and others are insinuating skill or conditions will turn that into a 25% plant.
12.5%? .....Maybe.......
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mexicans grow sensimilla also and i dont think they just go out an pick up some bullshit seeds, i believe they use the same seeds to grow thier good shit as they do thier brick, its just that there good shit is grown with more care then the brick.
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This illustrates your true knowledge a little more...sorry...)
1. "They grow sensimilla also"???
A. Have you ever seen an actual op anywhere ? Ever?...Mexico or any other country?.... (Don't lie....your statements would be different if you had
Yet you and others speak freely of them...their product, their methods...their genetics....
2. What you and other "knowledgable" people seem to be missing is the primary factor in quality has little even to do with genetics when talking imports....it's the dry and cure...
A. You take some MNS SSH,select keeper, cut em down, throw em in the sun to sit for a week and then strip and press and wrap....you think it will be the same as what one will skill produced following preferred procedures?.......
B. Hundreds of ops and growers not only in Mexico, but worldwide.....and, I assure you....many do know what they are doing....
C. "Brick" is a misleading phrase anyway.....it's merely compaction for shipping...if one has any exposure (actual .....will run across seedless nice indica, and stringy,stemmy,seedy sativas...(yet it is assumed growing methods dictates which...)
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this is apparent to anyone who has attempted to grow green in there back yard with no knowledge of growing. just puttin it in the ground and waiting for it to grow. this green will grow up to be bullshit,
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Nooo.....it's won't....
Once again your "expertise" reveals itself....
It may not be as large due to inadequate nutes...buds very well might be loose due to inadequate sun.....but the finished product and potency will be exactly what they bought or acquired in the first place....ie: One won't plant DP F PPP's and end up with small loose indica...
Yield might not be great due to issues.....might not be as large due to inadequate nutes and methods....but, what yield one does get, will be exactly what they run and hopped for., and, they will be left researching why such occurred, and, eventually find the knowledge which it seems no "experts" here possess .....
For anyone who ha an actual interest in learning anything...outdoors, your yield starts with hole, followed by sun and genetics your running....Nutes a given, not even worth addressing as even the most clueless novice will search out information on it, and, what can be grabbed of a Wal Mart shelf in some cases is fine....
(Another thing for people who truly would like to know.....the problem with pre mixes found mainstream is only micro's, specifically Cal Mag......MJ is one of heaviest feeders of Cal Mag...(Magnesium and Calcium....)
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it will have stringy loose buds because it didnt recieve the proper amount of light.
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Not completely true.......a strain that is known for it'[s density may very well be as dense, just buds smaller. Sorry (ie: instead of baseball's...might end up with golfballs, slightly less tight but tight nonetheless compared to sativas.....
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but only because the person who grew it, did it under poor conditions. but given that person put that same plant under a 1000w hps, with proper ventilation, nutrients and c02 that plant will yield some sticky buds.
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"sticky buds"?
So outdoor even under moderate conditions won't yield "sticky" buds? .....
Obviously....another person who has never done either.....(chance you are an in guy with no out, or a single failed out experience....The latter, isn't it?
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there is a large gap between the outcome of a plant under poor conditions and the outcome of a plant under optimum conditions.
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Yes. Size and yield. Potency is the same. Genetics are genetics.
(Note: The "same" meaning 1% difference, etc........perfect conditions and inadequate conditions will in fact cause "some" difference, but, again...your not go9ing to take a 12% strain and magically turn it into a 25% by your skill, conditions, or knowledge.....Genetics are genetics....
Furthermore......
You will also not take, as above, a strain that is tight, dense, heavy yield,tastes like strawberries and turn it into a stringy sock smelling product...(unless, as above, one doesn't follow through on proper dry and cure......which changes everything.......Can take the nicest thing and easily turn it into a pile of moldy crap......but.....
BUT....
That pile of brown crap will still get one high as all hell....(potency is potency.....) but should be noted also to people....don't buy or smoke mold....smells "funny"? (anerobic bacteria, ammonia)...donb't bother with it...only safe method is bubble runs...and, has to be skimmed from top..some say safe with ISO/BHO, but, wide debate on this because while either may kill the mold and bacteria, it won;t remove the toxins that accompany it....(most would be surprised what is mold and not....people assume white, and stinky.....something can be starting/started to mold and still be fairly nice and clean, but, a good noise can catch it....
anyway....back to the knowledgable.........
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but as stated before genetics is genetics, so u cant push a weak strain but so far but u never know what strain your dealing with, because i could have some purple urkel, white widow or any other good strains but if i grew it in the same manner as the mexicans you probably wouldnt even be able to tell it coulda been some fire ass green.
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Ridiculous statement....
1.Unless unknown bagseed, you always have an exact idea of strain your dealing with. (Can also have fairly accurate idea with bagseed by where it was taken from.....)
2. "The same manner as the Mexicans"
Ever been to any op, anywhere while harvest was going on, and cut anything?....ever grown out any of the aabove? (Urkel or WW?)....
The same manner ......great sun, adequate water, organics?....... ....
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until u grew one of the seeds under optimal conditions. because remember seed production takes up some of the plants resources which causes the bud to be less potent. |
And what do you think is done with the product from seed plants?
Really guys......I'm not normally a prick, but, you guys want to spout this stuff (with authority nonetheless).......I have a serious problem with those with no knowledge or experience offering commentary on something they know nothing about....really...it's one of my pet peeves......I see it often and get very annoyed....(because you are then passing it onto others who have no reason to believe otherwise........and they pass it on....and they pass it on........)
(Not to mention the absolute absurdity of one who has never grown, nor knows about it offering a commentary in a growing tips forum ......)
Cecil.......your statements also indicate limited experience or knowledge with growing.....
(and I love how these guys are like..."Here Joe, here's the real story" )
Grow labs..."sticky" buds
(on that note...most of the largest hash producing countries grow in substandard conditions....
(For those who don't know.....Hash, or any form (ISO,BHO,Bubble) is resin....extracted as the method dictates.....resin, if of course what is mentioned above as "sticky" ......so.........really......I guess ya see all kinds on the web .......
"Growing tips"........
You want to talk about growing?....No problem....but you damn sure better know what your talking about before trying to pull rank on me
I have seen very little (if any) evidence that last posters have even the most basic knowledge of growing by their statements. The most basic.
First year novice has more knowledge than has been displayed.
Just because one reads a 20yr old grow book, a wiki entry, or an article (latter 2 by people with no experience no doubt), in no way even begins to equip one to talk with authority or experience.
The phrase "woefully out of your depth" comes to mind once again
One question Mr. "Someone who knows a large amount about growing"?
Will a 600 produce higher potency than a 400, and a 1k than a 600?
Will a 2k produce greater potency than a 1k?, and a 8k than a 4k?
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Joe
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To clarify for those who would actually like to learn something. (Forget these idiots....I could slap em around all day long.....they're clueless....)
In no random order:
1. Genetics are genetics:
Quality of op is determined by quality of stock run.
Many do start using bagseed, taken from something they found special.
If from commercial, your product will most likely end up slightly better, due to dry and cure, and shelf time.(Always is better.....)
Problem that can arise from bagseed and why people prefer to acquire genetics/stock, is, you could very well end up with something unstable, etc.....
While these idiots may talk about breeding, and sometimes actually a glimpse they know something (at allo), purpose of breeding is also stability...(ie: You grow out a pack, and, all similar, as opposed to every one completely different......even though when something "stable", you will still have uniformity to a degree...
Some have security concerns about ordering quality stock...some don;'t have a place to receive it........so, many start off running bagseed, and, as time goes on, they desire to acquire superior genetics....(worth their weight in gold in some ways...most quality things available for under $100...so.....)
2. That being said, you can run bagseed.....in any method you choose (some education before your first run wouldn't hurt.....), and, will be fairly lose to source it was acquired from.
You can grow in soil, under floro's.....
You can grow them in coco under a 1k....
You can grow them out....with good hole, plenty of sun, and nutes covered....
You can grow them with a small hole.....minimal sun, and minimal nutes....
Quality should be the same. Yield will not.
Indoors, many more things determine yield than typically out....endless scenarios....(Note: many, many growers do not run Co2 by the way....probably 70% don't......Co2 will give you about a 20%+/- increase in yield indoors....all other characteristics will be the same (potency, taste, smell, structure, appearance, etc) Mistake most novice growers make seem to be underestimating veg time before flipping down (flowering....).So, typically will go with containers/medium too small/indequate, and, flower too late....Rule of thumb is 1 gallon per foot per ounce, hydro a different story...hydro and soil different animals but most run soil first because easier, less supplies, lower start up costs....
Now, when I say quality "should be" the same is anytime, as above you are talking from seed, you will have a variance of individuals......some quicker, some denser,some better smell, some better taste.....(why most prefer to secure a suitable mother, and run clones...uniformity...."special keepers" maintained.....
For someone starting out.....this is for later.....first thing is first...you want to get a run under your belt...get comfortable with process...get an understanding of the plant, growth, and process...(none of which is possessed by posters above .......
Problem with bagseed also overlooked is they are strains that might not be able to finish outdoors.
Explanation:
Every strain and cross (there are literally 10's of thousands of strains)have, once again...their own set of genetic specifics......
Strain #1. 48 day flower. Dense. If out, finishes Oct 1st. and the list goes on.....
Problem with bagseed is it very well might be a late finishing sativa...and, one runs it out, and, lo and behold, first frost hits and it's not even close to done, so, this is the primary reason why people choose to get specific genetics also.....
ie: Your up north.....first frost comes Oct 1+/-, so, then, your target are strains that finish in late Sept/Oct 1st. You search all sources to identify first all earlier strains, then, work your choices down from there.
(As above......a serious problem with new growers is them choosing to run things they have heard of, and then being less than pleased with strains that take too long, don't finish outside in their region,yields, etc.......)
Indoors?...matter of preference, and, some choose to run what they want regardless of finishing times....(8 week strain vs. a 12-14 week strain....) As is obvious...one could pull 2 rounds of the quicker in the same time period of the longer finishing......)
In short...you can run the bagseed.....and, if product it came from not perfect, up to you to try and see what it's flaws are......genetics of imports vary...so....some brick has quality that is surprising.....some is not...and, some, dry cure and handling played a role in it's end quality....
Improper dry and cure can ruin the best of things...
The first thing one has to realize is everything they think they know, is wrong
From then on it's quite easy..
If you liked what it came from...then grow it out and see what you get.....if a non grower but plan to try....start only holding back the best things....
(Note: Some of the highest quality and most desirable things in existence right now came from bagseed.............someone grew them out......"special/keepers" identified, and, clones passed around for decades..(clone only elites...no seed available....)
(hence the ridiculous comments above about potency and 70's,80's,etc.....)
The most sought things are things which clones are still being circulated from the 80's...
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palerider7777
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| cecilknucks wrote: | | This is a response to the dude joes critique of things written by someone else. Joe its obvious to me, someone who knows a large amount about growing, that some of the things you speak of are untrue. for one yes genetics does play a large part in the outcome of your product. but by using many methods such as c02 enrichment,more light, yes more kilowatts do make a difference contrary to what u stated, and good nutrients you can turn some mexican weed into some good green. mexicans grow sensimilla also and i dont think they just go out an pick up some bullshit seeds, i believe they use the same seeds to grow thier good shit as they do thier brick, its just that there good shit is grown with more care then the brick. this is apparent to anyone who has attempted to grow green in there back yard with no knowledge of growing. just puttin it in the ground and waiting for it to grow. this green will grow up to be bullshit,it will have stringy loose buds because it didnt recieve the proper amount of light. but only because the person who grew it, did it under poor conditions. but given that person put that same plant under a 1000w hps, with proper ventilation, nutrients and c02 that plant will yield some sticky buds.there is a large gap between the outcome of a plant under poor conditions and the outcome of a plant under optimum conditions. but as stated before genetics is genetics, so u cant push a weak strain but so far but u never know what strain your dealing with, because i could have some purple urkel, white widow or any other good strains but if i grew it in the same manner as the mexicans you probably wouldnt even be able to tell it coulda been some fire ass green. until u grew one of the seeds under optimal conditions. because remember seed production takes up some of the plants resources which causes the bud to be less potent. |
i agree as iv'e taken brick seeds and grew them right and it came out looking way diffrent than the brick so yes u can grow it in prime cond and it be better. |
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Joe
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Fresh cut with nice trim , proper dry and cure usually comes out better than sun dried and bricked, shipped 3000 miles and 4 months old
(proper cure can determine half potency btw.....few also know hash, kief, etc cures, usually is, and should be)
It was exactly as it was when they cut it if it was the same strain, fairly uniform, and any stability.
I knew this black couple once...had children....all white kids.... (they took care of them better...better diet.....better surroundings...completely changed their genetics.....)
(Seriously man....didn't you guys know that?....you can change em man totally by what you do...) |
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palerider7777
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| Joe wrote: | Fresh cut with nice trim , proper dry and cure usually comes out better than sun dried and bricked, shipped 3000 miles and 4 months old
(proper cure can determine half potency btw.....few also know hash, kief, etc cures, usually is, and should be)
It was exactly as it was when they cut it if it was the same strain, fairly uniform, and any stability.
I knew this black couple once...had children....all white kids.... (they took care of them better...better diet.....better surroundings...completely changed their genetics.....)
(Seriously man....didn't you guys know that?....you can change em man totally by what you do...) |
it's not changing genetics rather than putting the plant in a prime environment as the first part of what u said is right brick weed is very much abused and not taken care of that why it is what it is. |
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| You are absolutely correct Joe. It is also true that potency and other characteristics such as color, flavors, and aromas can be determined by harvest time,which alters the levels and ratios of the cannabinoids. Some preferring to cut earlier for a more "up high", and some preferring to wait for a more "couchlock" buzz. The first as more energetic, and the later heavier. I would agree though that neither drastically affects potency. I would agree any difference from the same specimen would be minimal. Seen in testing of specimens I am sure, noticed by any human senses I doubt. |
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palerider7777
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| UnclePhil wrote: | | You are absolutely correct Joe. It is also true that potency and other characteristics such as color, flavors, and aromas can be determined by harvest time,which alters the levels and ratios of the cannabinoids. Some preferring to cut earlier for a more "up high", and some preferring to wait for a more "couchlock" buzz. The first as more energetic, and the later heavier. I would agree though that neither drastically affects potency. I would agree any difference from the same specimen would be minimal. Seen in testing of specimens I am sure, noticed by any human senses I doubt. |
lol out of the blue a 1st poster nice most people know about when to pluck as to what high u want. but to say u would noticed very lil diffrence from throwing seeds in a feild and coming back in 4mo or putting those same seeds in a prime place is a laugh lol. |
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palerider7777
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| put it this way u could take sum seeds that u know is dank stuff and throw them in a field with no nutes or control, and then take those same dank seeds and do everything for them in a choice indoor place and tell me theres no diffrence. please.....this is a joke. |
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Joe
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it's not changing genetics rather than putting the plant in a prime environment as the first part of what u said is right brick weed is very much abused and not taken care of that why it is what it is. |
Well, I gotta tell ya......you really can't get more of a prime growing environment than Mexico....
I can say with 100% certainty that if anyone actually saw an operating farm, and what it puts out (at harvest, when cut), I am absolutely positively certain....they'd be in awe.
People talk of conditions....
Show me a room better than outdoors in mexico
Doesn't exist, an impossibility, will never even come close.So....to hear people talking about taking any genetics and "improving" them......they're talking about after cut. Not before.
Import quality is more of the time due to dry, clip, cure and storage. If it's a large yielding hefy sativa with a racy high and taste of citrus? Then that is what you will grow....
In the sense of dry and cure and such, one will always produce "better" than the source. Better scent, flavor (because proper dry/cure)... Potency?...nah.....but, as Phil says about (NOW THAT guys KNOWS what he's talking about...) lot can also be manipulated by cut time...
Potency and THC % misunderstood regardless.....some of people's favorite things by no means the most potent..(and , likewise, heaviest resin not most potent either..no connection between resin content and %...documented.....)
True RKS is one of the most sought after things right now....breeders working on recreating it...(trying to)...never most potent, and, once again, something from 80's most would kill for...(breeders, growers, and users...)
I mean, now we're getting into all the different nuances which may make it up as a whole..potency and otherwise....sure, might conditions make something slightly more potent than the source it come from?...entirely possible...but, not by a staggering percentage (as above...12 into a 12.5)...but, as above (Phil), that can also be altered more or less by when cut...
(and, going right back to square one, but, a twist......it could even make it more desirable but less potent....)
No one says the want to smoke something because of it's percentage....I have what has been claimed to be one of first over 30%, and, something about 12.....I like the 12.....30 hits me too hard...makes me tired and want to eat....12 makes me want to clean house, and then when done, clean it again because I forgot I just did
THC content not reflected by color, yield, taste, aroma,etc.
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| palerider7777 wrote: | | put it this way u could take sum seeds that u know is dank stuff and throw them in a field with no nutes or control, and then take those same dank seeds and do everything for them in a choice indoor place and tell me theres no diffrence. please.....this is a joke. |
I never said there would not be a difference. I said the potency would be no different.
Identical clones, indoors, floros,1k's,out, large holes, small holes....
All will be identical finished product if identical trim,dry and cure.
If you have done it, you would know that.
(Which is what is truly the joke here btw
Edit: And if you actually believe indoor holds anything over out as far as environmental conditions....well.....Your room is better than field in Mexico?
Anyone who thinks that for a moment is late for class.
Here, have a clue.....On second thought, here, have another
Indoor ...indoor is done out of necessity...not preference, and in no way, shape, or form does, or will ever begin to come close to matching out. |
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another difference would be,in a field in Mexico,the introduction of pollen,female stops production of THC,and goes to seed. not saying inside is a better environment,but more of a controlled environment.  |
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| dawsonspaw wrote: | | the introduction of pollen,female stops production of THC,and goes to seed. |
Absolutely untrue.
You do a seed run and you will find end product as astounding as unseeded. (genetics are genetics
Just much less (Energy not towards flower production, towards seed production, hence, your yield.....which in a seed run would be low...)
Still not entirely the case as pollination in the average environment (outdoors) will not necessarily result in an entire plant being seed from top to bottom. (Could get a full blast....wind opposite direction, maybe none..could be dumping in heavy rain, etc.....missing a male here and there is not a guarantee of a completely seeded crop.....vs. in, smaller space, you'd be killed....)
All the brick I've seen is near seedless....so...
Which also should be noted even if not one single male, outdoor crop, your likely to get a minute amount of seed if you look hard enough. (should be female seed also..spits em out when too late....survival mechanism...) Depends on how stable line is to start with I think... |
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| Joe wrote: | | dawsonspaw wrote: | | the introduction of pollen,female stops production of THC,and goes to seed. |
Absolutely untrue.
You do a seed run and you will find end product as astounding as unseeded. (genetics are genetics
Just much less (Energy not towards flower production, towards seed production, hence, your yield.....which in a seed run would be low...)
Still not entirely the case as pollination in the average environment (outdoors) will not necessarily result in an entire plant being seed from top to bottom. (Could get a full blast....wind opposite direction, maybe none..could be dumping in heavy rain, etc.....missing a male here and there is not a guarantee of a completely seeded crop.....vs. in, smaller space, you'd be killed....)
All the brick I've seen is near seedless....so...
Which also should be noted even if not one single male, outdoor crop, your likely to get a minute amount of seed if you look hard enough. (should be female seed also..spits em out when too late....survival mechanism...) Depends on how stable line is to start with I think... |
again i agree with the first part of this but again i have to diagree with u when u say it won't effect potency as the brick seeds i did went from brick to mid's and all the people i gave it to thought it was good mid's till i told them what it was and they could'nt believe it so i know what i know. |
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| palerider7777 wrote: | | again i agree with the first part of this but again i have to diagree with u when u say it won't effect potency as the brick seeds i did went from brick to mid's and all the people i gave it to thought it was good mid's till i told them what it was and they could'nt believe it so i know what i know. |
Nothing goes from anything to anything....(You guys still talking the magical genetics touch......sorry......
You dried, clipped, and cured as one should. Period. (I assume from your claim
Your crediting your touch and skill to a miraculous outcome.
Doesn't work that way.
Never will.
G13xGF in, G13xGF out.
That's how it works
Period.
I'd be glad to discuss with anyone what they think they know.....as log as they realize that
I'm well aware of what I know, and don't.
And these topics are not one of em
Well aware
It tasted better and cleaner because was fresher and got better dry and cure so it therefore hit better and had more of a punch.....
Your talking apples and oranges....any way you slice it, same bud.... different dry and clip/cure.
With the reason and logic presented in this thread, maybe we should get everything in 20's we can get our hands on, grow it out, and, due to our magic and skill turn it into the worlds first 40%'ers
Doesn't sounds likely, does it
Cause it's not
Sorry
(You are making really good points though......most surprised when they run bagseed, when, it wasn't half bad to start out with.....just after cut what kills it in a lot of cases......plus everything's immeasurably better with a decent cure on it...
Still nothing to do (minute) with potency....otherwise, as stated...would be no limits....could turn a 20 into a 40 with just your skill......would be nice if was true, but, it's not, bnor will it ever be.
Genetics are genetics......yield is what care dictates.
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