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High Man
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From the deepest inner reaches of the mind apparently 
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If you had any experience, I would have not had to include the caution above. You would have when you mentioned it.
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If you had any experience, you would know what you said is nonsense. Why must you make up senseless lies to attack me and others?
Trying to say to someone “Uh, your wrong, you don’t grow.” is not an answer to evidence smashing your brains out. It is a vapid, baseless comment that shows you possess nothing but ignorance and have an unwillingness to admit to fact.
Its amusing though to see you rant 
But do you have to get every thread locked? All your ad homs are getting old and tiresome. Time to come up with something new.
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If you had any experience, you would not have to reference BrownDirt, you would have your own input.(Which you have refused to provide time and time and time again...)
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Why don’t you focus on the evidence instead of attacking me and brown dirt’s video?
I gave you my own input and I backed it up with evidence and the experience of another grower who is proven in his accomplishments.
Where is your evidence?
You didn’t post any, you just merely attacked me and brown dirt
I have given my input time and time again, and when I give my input, I back it up with actual unbiased referenced sources and evidence my claims.
It makes no sense to just state a claim based your own or my own biased opinion and experience 
It is instead more intelligible to back up claims with unbiased evidence from independent sources and draw conclusions from there!
Clearly your ego is out of control. You are not the be all and end all of growing, and things you have said have been shown to be clearly incorrect. For shame.
You are wrong, grow up, be a man, admit it, and move on.
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You focus on statements I have made and stand behind and explained in detail, while you refused to do the same.
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Wrong. Those statements you have made and stand behind have no backing and have no evidence to support them, other than your word and assumption
Give me a break. “Cannabis resin is like roofing tar. There is no more applicable analogy.” LOL Many people jumped on you for this, but your baseless attacks drove people away, since people quickly recognized you as a troll and did not wish to bother with you, as there is no changing the mind of someone who simply wants to attack others for their own ego’s sake.
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You have attempted to come into a community of people and claim you are something you are not, on a site with Law Enforcement issues.
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I have not claimed I was anything I am not. You simply like to lie and twist things people say so that you can then attack them. It is a tactic that does not work online easily, as there is a clear paper trail to show how foolish you are
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There is nothing else to say.
Your not real, and this has been apparent since post one.
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There is nothing else to say? Well what about the evidence that proves you incorrect? You have nothing to say to that??? I didn’t think so. Just pointless, rambling ad homs.
From post one you have been shown to be incorrect concerning quite a few things that you say, and many people have contested those claims you made, not just myself.
You explained nothing in detail, and the actual evidence presented left you stammering, back peddling, and viciously attacking any thing presented to you. You had no evidence to give in rebuttal, and nothing to give any contention that you were correct in your assertions.
Saying “Uh, your wrong, you don’t grow.” is not an answer or rebuttal to evidence slapping you in the face.
If you want to get into a debate about the nature of reality and what is real and not real, then I can go all day
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You seem to be the only one left unaware how obvious this is....
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You seem to be unaware that many people, from post one, have shown how loony toons you are when you say something incorrect and it is pointed out to you
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You offer nothing aside from plagiarism...
Why don't you tell people where your lifting your posts from
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Sure joe, whatever you say
Why don’t you tell people how you are proven wrong
You can claim I am plagiarizing and lifting posts but do you actually have evidence for this? Nope, its just another one of your baseless claims and ludicrous ad homs!
I reference all my sources and back up my claims with evidence. I guess to you this is “plagiarizing” or “lifting”, because it proves how retarded you can be sometimes. Oh well
Notice I said sometimes not all the time, since every one can be wrong, and we are allowed to be, its ok. Making mistakes is a good thing, because then you can correct yourself and learn something, and there’s no shame in that. Mistakes happen.
But you can’t attack others when they show you that you are wrong. This only shows people even more so that you are incorrect and have nothing to offer.
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To anyone else wondering?, well, I welcomed above to bag up and leave, and, get a thermometer....
Try it for yourself
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Anyone is welcome to try it for themselves…
But before they do, why don’t you post pictures, videos, and documentation that proves your claim that temperatures can build so high in such bags that after 3 to 5 hours cannabis will turn to “mush/compost” as you claim?
Since I posted a video that clearly shows no such mold accumulation after being within a bag for over 24 hours.
I don’t need to get into a pissing match with my word against yours, grows I’ve done versus grows you have done, when neither of us can present evidence of such apart from our say so.
But I am sure I can find many more independent sources with documentation, pictures, and videos of gorilla grows at harvest time and the time from stalk cut and bagging to unwrapping that will show your contentions are again incorrect.
Now should one think about their own region’s temperatures, humidity, and pressures when taking this concept you present into account? Absolutely.
In fact, I can think about many factors that may contribute or not contribute to this issue of mold in a bag, bud turning to mush, and risk factors therein. These are things a person will have to judge onsite for themselves depending on their given area.
Perhaps your area is hot with high humidity. This may account as to why you get mold. Or perhaps you just suck. Who knows.
Now its plausible that brown dirt acquired some mold growth in some areas, but as anyone can see the vast majority of pot grown looked excellent, and he was without mold problems after having weed bagged up for over 24 hours in the brush and in a car.
Now mold issues are good information topics to give out and leave open for discussion, but nothing to try and attack others about, especially when you are shown you are wrong.
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Oh, btw.....Where were yours again? The display of your claims....all those significant indoor and outdoor harvests, that lab.....IC account, right?...
I'm sure admin/mods would be glad to check and confirm your claims.
I volunteered all mine
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So, by the way, where’s all your evidence for your claims? I’m still waiting for answers.
You can say anything you like, but I want pictures, places, dates and times for these alleged grows you claim you’ve done. I want to see from seed to product. You got the proof? Well the proof is in the pudding. Otherwise its just your say so, and your say so is worth exactly squat son.
Why would I tell some loser online anything about any criminal activity I may or may not have been involved in? Don’t you know security 101, I thought you did? Talking about any operations, let alone your commercial operations online or anywhere is just not smart, even if you think you are anonymous online.
”Look at me! I post on IC mag! I’m the best! Read about all my illegal operations!” Real smart buddy
If you were so good, why are you not retired already?
For all you know I have accounts on IC, Rollitup, Tokecity, Grasscity, Cannabis.com., Drugs-forum, gardenscure, bluelight, on and on and on. WHO CARES. You’ll never know, because I won’t tell you, because it’s a pretty stupid idea to cross reference yourself on other forums. The fact you want to know and try to entice such information alarms me.
It doesn’t matter what labs I work in, or what I’ve done, not done, or may/may not be doing, or where I post, what forums I like to go on. When I say something it is based on evidence from an unbiased source that someone can reference and then draw conclusions for themselves, not from thin air.
When you say something that is wrong and it is proven such you whine like a baby and attack a person about it. Grow up. |
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smokeablunt420
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..wow.... here we go...
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Joe
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No. We don't.
All that is above is more of the same repeated evasion, but, now with a slightly new twist to try and cover him having to support earlier statements...I readily provided the above months ago....
Admin/mods can confirm.If he was real, he wouldn't have a problem doing so. (The lab ) |
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High Man
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Hmm, you changed your previous post. I wonder why lol. Maybe you read mine finally
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No. We don't.
All that is above is more of the same repeated evasion,
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No joe, the only one evading here is you.
Did you look at the evidence yet?
Did you see how brown dirt’s weed is still good after being in a bag for 24 hours? 
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but, now with a slightly new twist to try and cover him having to support earlier statements...
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I am not twisting anything, and every statement I make is already supported.
I merely disproved YOUR assertions (harvested weed turns to mush/compost in 3-5 hours). I did not and do not need to talk about my own experiences when I can show an independent unbiased video of someone else’s experience that proves you are incorrect and someone doesn't just have to take my word for it, they can see it for themselves.
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I readily provided the above months ago....
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You have not provided anything, and you have had numerous opportunities to do so.
What are you even talking about? You make this statement all the time, yet you clearly have not provided anything
Your very good at claiming you have provided something but you really have not, you just say you do
You can make up whatever you like so that you can evade focusing on the issue at hand, but in the end you still have nothing.
Lets see YOUR pictures, dates, and times of marijuana turning to mush in 3 to 5 hours!
Lets see YOUR time-lapsed proof! Show us joe, can’t you? You are such a pro, where are your pictures and videos, where’s your stuff on youtube? Where are your buds in High Times? And can you really prove they are yours?
So because you have nothing to offer in lieu of evidence refuting my video evidence showing your statements about harvested marijuana are in a bag are incorrect you have to lie to try and make yourself look better (saying I am evading, I am not real, etc)?!?! LoL pathetic
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Admin/mods can confirm.
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Yea I’ve had discussions with the mods about you. I am not concerned
Hmmm may be thin ice round the corner
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If he was real, he wouldn't have a problem doing so. (The lab )
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Problem doing what? You want to know what labs I have worked in? Why? You’re the only one asking, and you’re not on a need to know basis
You’re some loser on the internet who doesn’t know heavy wind and rain damages trichomes outdoors, and thinks that ‘resin is like roofing tar, there being no more applicable analogy’, and furthermore you seem to misunderstand scientific concepts and testing concerning potency http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v09n3/09320gie.html
Apparently marijuana resin is so hydrophobic that when applied to your roof it will keep rain from coming in your house:retard: . And it will turn to mushy compost in three hours in a plastic bag! This is the kind of stuff I am talking about when I post a topic that’s title is “the outer limits”.
It’s not my fault joe that you have not seen a grow lab and are rather used to clandestine grow ops with less than sterile conditions and methodology lacking scientific forethought.. Or perhaps you are just still unaware of the definition of a lab? Do I need to help you with that again too?
Grow op Grow house Grow lab Grow space Grow area Grow whatever Light house Green house Marijuana production facility Weed farm etc etc
I mean you want to argue semantics well basically they are all the same fucking thing if you have any idea what you are doing and are using the most up to date methods to grow as best and as much that you can. Perhaps I should do a google search again for you on cannabis/marijuana grow lab? I remember you stammering and back peddling for excuses to ignore the evidence when I posted that for you (but you do that all the time anyway so it's nothing new for you ). For all intents and purposes though by definition (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=laboratory)
I would say an actual “grow lab” apart from someone’s clandestine grow closet is a (mostly) sterile area that utilizes scientific equipment (things like but not limited to microscopes, PH/PPM meters, CO2 supplementation, things that can obtain observable data and that give you total control over the process, being outside of nature) for scientific purposes (manufacturing medicines, like high potency marijuana, that is then sold in cannabis clubs where medicinal marijuana patients can obtain organic, high quality product)… A savvy person can set up their closet or wherever like a lab, in effect becoming one. So now they have a nice little lab inside their lighthouse.
BUT, there are also legitimate contracted labs that do grow marijuana or test marijuana for scientific purposes. I also suppose that within the context of the definition a lab could be set up outside, even though there you are in control of some but not all of the environmental factors (like sunlight, airflow, co2, etc), but you can make measurements of such and still control other aspects of the experiment and create usable data for future analysis and generate amazing product. BTW, all this information is easily available to you through google search, why didn’t you try it?
Now from this realize the same idea applied to car being a car, or a meth lab, a place you cook up meth. Still cooked with household stuff, still a car, but its still a lab cause your making drugs |
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Joe
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Didn't even bother to read, the above remains applicable.
Yes, I did change my post. You refuse the most basic, therefore, until such occurs, nothing to discuss.
Since from your first appearance you have demonstrated not even a basic understanding of growing (still love the "lab", last paragraph was priceless......go on any one of sites you mentioned and speak such, and see what happens . You know, where the actual pros gather.....still waiting for you..... , the above stands.
Until you verify your real, which you cannot, because you are not, you really shouldn't be posting anything else.
Otherwise, we all love comedy, and textbook illustration's of how to spot someone not real,so....(As is also the mere creation of this thread a textbook example of flaming/trolling....you can wiki it )
Starting this thread alone is a display of how small you actually are...
On second thought, I think this is a better display of excatly who you are.
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Now from this realize the same idea applied to car being a car, or a meth lab,a place you cook up meth.
Still cooked with household stuff, still a car,but its still a lab cause your making drugs |
Thank you for the above. You guys call them all labs, don't you, and that's how it was started, right?...(We could have some interesting conversations if you just came straight out and posted as LE...) Many here do....
Now go learn starting with basic veg times, and, maybe next time, no one will be able to call you out...
(And, please new people......the above description is a proper "room".....expect the same reactions from anyone real and don't ever call it that.....people will think your LE or an informer sent by LE. "ABC laboratories", etc (legit companies, Europe, etc) still call their facilities "rooms, "clone rooms", etc, etc......The term has never been used in the history of indoor cultivation by anyone in it.
Sterilization, Co2,ppm/TDS meters, on through automated control is basic, and standard equipment for even small ops to possess... |
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High Man
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Didn't even bother to read, the above remains applicable.
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I know you didn’t bother to read it. You can’t stand the sight of something showing you are wrong, your ego will not allow it
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Yes, I did change my post. You refuse the most basic, therefore, until such occurs, nothing to discuss.
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I refuse the most basic what?
You refuse to answer simple questions put forth to you.
You refuse to demonstrate that you know what you are talking about.
You just lie and attack, trying to create an illusion that you are some hot shot through smoke and mirrors.
It's pathetic
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Since from your first appearance you have demonstrated not even a basic understanding of growing
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You claim this yet have no real evidence of such, yet you ramble on about weed turning to mush in 3 hours, resin is roofing tar, etc., etc.
Or did you forget that already?
Still need to make things up to try and save face now joe?
I have repeatedly had to hold your hand through all of our discussions, so you are in no way qualified to make such a statement.
Rather, from YOUR first appearance and statements it has been clearly demonstrated that you have not even a basic understanding of growing, as many people, not just myself, were there to correct you and your follies.
But your attacks persisted. You claimed people aren’t growers, and this and that, that you are the only "pro", you're the best and you just have to be because you say so, and so thus only you are right, you are the supreme almighty of trichomes. LOL All hail master roofing tar!
Give me a break. You are laughable
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(still love the "lab", last paragraph was priceless......go on any one of sites you mentioned and speak such, and see what happens . You know, where the actual pros gather.....still waiting for you..... , the above stands.
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Yes it was priceless, it shows how little you actually know, and how small time you must be
Yes, what I said above stands, because it is actual evidence, not the ranting of a troll like you
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Until you verify your real, which you cannot, because you are not, you really shouldn't be posting anything else.
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Well it is obvious I am real, since I am here, typing to you, disproving all the incorrect things you try to pass off as real that really aren't
I think you should verify you are real, since you obviously do not even know basic things like how trichomes are damaged by heavy weather, or that resin is not like roofing tar, or that weed doesn’t turn to mush in a bag after 3 hours, or the presence of marijuana grow labs around the world.
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Otherwise, we all love comedy, and textbook illustration's of how to spot someone not real,so....(As is also the mere creation of this thread a textbook example of flaming/trolling....you can wiki it )
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Yes joe, we do love comedy, and believe me it is sooooooo hilarious when I point out how incorrect your ridiculous assertions are by using actual evidence and then all you can do is try and flame and attack me in retaliation
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Starting this thread alone is a display of how small you actually are...
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This thread is to show how incorrect you were in your assertions, how I proved you wrong with actual evidence and how you got yet another thread locked due to your trolling and flaming.
You still have yet to respond to the evidence!
You have not given your rebuttal. Where are your unbiased videos of your claims?
Where is your video graphic evidence for your claims that weed turns to mush in a bag after 3 hours? Your alleged credentials are on the line here joe !!!
Where are your documents, videos, etc., supporting your claim that hard weather does not damage trichomes? And that cannabis resin is like roofing tar? I’m realllllllllllllly waiting for your evidence proving that contention.
Does the hydrophobic nature of marijuana elude you or frighten you? Because I know you do not understand it
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On second thought, I think this is a better display of excatly who you are. Thank you for the above. You guys call them all labs, don't you, and that's how it was started, right?...
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You guys? You mean scientists? Yeah we call labs labs and we call weed cannabis. Or Weed. What do you call it? A meth happiness center ?
Magic marijuana happy fun grow time produce place room????
I agree, they ARE meth happiness centers and magic marijuana happy fun grow time produce place rooms. They are also labs, if they fit the definition
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(We could have some interesting conversations if you just came straight out and posted as LE...) Many here do....
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We could have even more interesting conversations if you could just admit you were wrong, get over yourself and your own ego, realize you do not know everything and that you make mistakes, grow up, and move on.
Cause seriously, just thinking about it.. The very phrase "Yo High Man is a cop"... LoL "Hey that High Man, yo he's motherfuckin DEA and shit!" Wow    
Thats right joe, I'm all kinds a law enforcement n shit, and I'm comming for you like Freddy Kruger
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Now go learn starting with basic veg times, and, maybe next time, no one will be able to call you out...
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Call me out?
You should go learn starting with basic outdoor growing information, such as how weather can affect trichomes (thus potency), why roofing tar is not applicable, how places like Amsterdam, Canad, and California have the most potent weed, how Mexican brick is actually from Mexico and not from wherever you want to claim it is from, and then we will start to work on scientific investigation and how science works.
I remember this quote from http://www.nevergetbusted.com/ngbbb/viewtopic.php?t=939&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
“Genetics are genetics.Potency and quality is potency and quality. All other factors regarding growth affect yield.”
Which is of course wrong, as root spacing, nutrients, light, and other factors like Co2 in combination with genetics all affect yield AND potency. Unfortunately it was I others who had to tell you this and in later discussions you back peddle and claim you already knew this, when it is clear you did not. Many growers in the forum came forward to attest to how incorrect many of your assertions were, yet you flamed and attacked them as you attack me.
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(And, please new people......the above description is a proper "room".....expect the same reactions from anyone real and don't ever call it that.....people will think your LE or an informer sent by LE. "ABC laboratories", etc (legit companies, Europe, etc) still call their facilities "rooms, "clone rooms", etc, etc......The term has never been used in the history of indoor cultivation by anyone in it.
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Yeah ok buddy. Again, you want to argue semantics, I’ll keep laughing at your lunacy and nonsense like “the term has never been used in the history of cultivation by anyone in it” and “people who are real don’t call it that” pure hogwash!
You do not even possess credentials to work in an actual scientific lab, how would you know what the people in the business and in the labs call them? No joe, they don't call it a lab, they call it their super happy marijuana grow room of amazing awesomeness LoL
These “rooms” are labs and people call them such, get over your own nonsense. You just can’t stand to be wrong;-)
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Sterilization, Co2,ppm/TDS meters, on through automated control is basic, and standard equipment for even small ops to possess...
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Sterilization is a good thing to have I agree, but is not a standard thing even basic, small ops possess (actually it is something they routinely lack, and so become subject to pests/disease/spider mites/ etc., unless they are keeping their area up to laboratory standards.
That stuff is not basic, standard equipment for small indoor ops. People running hydro/aero ops will want PH, PPM and TDS meters (among other things), and you can supplement Co2 but it is not necessary if you have proper air flow. Many running soil ops will want to check PH and PPM but the addition of Co2 again is not a real requirement but helps growth and yield, and many closet growers forgo the expense due to not requiring expensive meters and Co2 supplementation. And outdoors? You don’t need that stuff for outdoors. Check water/fert mix PH (or not even…), and your good to grow. But it doesn't hurt if one wants to go to the expense. |
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Joe
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Blah,blah,blah....
Just so I have it straight:
Your a "pro" from Cali, who runs "labs" and also does outdoor (in trees no less as you claimed), who claims membership to sites to which he is unable to produce a handle documenting that he has ever grown a plant let alone anything more substantial.
Pure and simple.
(The reason it is certain, is because such would know things as basic veg time.....
Now, why you would rather waste your time with post upon post upon post that no one really want to read anyway for months on end, instead of just saying "Hey, admin, I'm tired of this shit, my handle is "strokinyou" at IC, well......
You have asked me now repeated time specific information, to which each time my reply has I volunteered such months ago....
You seem to keep fliping "proof" upon me, when I am the only one who has any
Now, furthermore.....why admin and mods allow such to continue, is not only ridiculous, but should also be great concern, since this is a "grow forum", and your someone who not only does not grow, but has shown does not know how
Now , I could continue when I see fit (because of course, you offer nothing but distractions, which admin should again take note of...) to pose you questions all day (which would be trick questions, that only someone who grows would know , but, since you have refused all questions to date....
What would be the point....
Your a joke, it's obvious.
You've never grown a single plant, it's obvious.
You refuse to provide anyone, anywhere of your claims, so, the answer is obvious.
You continue to post...lift other people's posts....
Why?...
For what?...
To waste my time?...
To waste everyone else's time....
To prevent and derail anything of use? (mods...HINT)
You also seem to stick on trichs and rain....
I have personally been involved in 10's of thousands of outdoors plants.(been documented cover last 6 years on 3 sites. Mods are welcome to also confirm this if they like...) I have also discussed this with hundreds who have been growing outdoors also for up to decades.
You keep reading and thinking you know something because you read it....
The rest of us discuss results from doing it..
Doesn't even know basic veg and comes in calling himself a pro
(I never have said such, anywhere, anytime...because the title isn't a self proclaimed one btw
Now, it's obvious you have no interest in offering anything of your own (because, by your own words, you refuse to, and have no interest, per an earlier post...), and, we can read the same posts that your passing as your own elsewhere, so....
You display the actions of someone seriously lacking basic self respect to be engaging in such, and, frankly, by responding, I am coming close to being no better.
"Mods, check my handle"......
You won't, because you can't, because your not real...
Readers should also start to question why such a security issue has not been addressed......
Please feel free to post the same thing over 40 more times.
We expect it.
btw......LE?....
Who else would claim to be a grower on a grow forum and not possess basic knowledge and refuse to provide any evidence otherwise....
As I said....do a little more reading, and, maybe next time you will actually be able to get by...(until you are asked specific questions, as has happened here....)
All is not lost though, I know you have a couple extra handles here, so, maybe you'll have better luck with those.....
(But, of course, you will refuse to answer all previous questions posed to you, and repeat the same answered, refuse to verify claims, etc...)
I pity a man who has such an empty life as to have nothing better to do with his time then pretend to be something on an online forum..... (Assuming your not LE....that I would understand for various reasons...but, if not?.....), and even argue the point....
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I'm moving this post to the Laundry Room as this post is more exchange than information exchange.
This is a "Freedom of Speech" friendly site.If anyone wants to call anyone out, call names, flame, or otherwise just have a problem, take it there and let the the world judge your words. |
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help i think i have double vision, no it must be a flash-back.  LOL 'joking'
socrateez is going to take his belt off and chase yall around the yard.
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| socrateez wrote: | I'm moving this post to the Laundry Room as this post is more exchange than information exchange.
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It should be moved, as it's a troll thread to begin with (created with no other purpose but to create conflict)
I have called him out. Period. He has been in the position to provide any kind of documentation for any and all claims, and has refused post after post after post.
Someones "opinion" cannot validate this, only he can.
(btw....documentation of claims is what grow forums exist upon........so.....this is not a far fetched request...)
2. There is nothing to be discussed, there is nothing to be debated.....
What we have here is the most basic of concepts....
"Put up or shut up"
He won't , because he can't, so, until that occurs, well......conversation is over....
I'll even start a pool......whose holding the money.....
Put up......or shut up...
Otherwise, what we have is, by his own words, a self proclaimed "scientist" with unmatched credentials from Cali, who operates and maintains "significant" indoor and outdoor operations, with multiple handles on multiple sites, who circulates throughout the global community but doesn't understand basic veg and can't produce any evidence whatsoever anywhere of any claim above....
Put up or shut up....
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High Man
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Just so I have it straight:
Your a "pro" from Cali, who runs "labs" and also does outdoor (in trees no less as you claimed), who claims membership to sites to which he is unable to produce a handle documenting that he has ever grown a plant let alone anything more substantial.
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Nope, you got it all wrong again, as usual joe. Its fun to keep you guessing though .
Why should I produce handles documenting that I have grown plants? That would be illegal, and against security 101. I thought you knew stuff
Why would I need a handle to some website to show I have grown anyway? I don’t, and your contentions of such are ludicrous. Pure and simple
Real pros aren’t posting information online about grows they may or may not have done. They are busy making millions and billions of dollars
You also have a large problem putting words in peoples’ mouths when they did not say what you are trying to construe. Its frigging awesome, and makes you look like an idiot. Keep it up, I can point out your follies all day
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(The reason it is certain, is because such would know things as basic veg time.....
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I do know things, but do you? You can lie all you like, but remember you will be called on it. Now do you know any basic outdoor growing info? Doesn’t seem so going by what you say (trichome damage, resin is roofing tar, genetics misunderstandings, etc.,)
So do you still think weed turns to mush in 3 hours? We’re still waiting
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Now, why you would rather waste your time with post upon post upon post that no one really want to read anyway for months on end, instead of just saying "Hey, admin, I'm tired of this shit, my handle is "strokinyou" at IC, well......
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Why would any admin need to know any of my handles on any other websites anywhere? What would that show or prove to anyone?
You can try and tout your handle on IC as some badge of authority all you want (cause guess what, it isn’t), you are nothing in the grand scheme of things, and you have been proven incorrect in many assertions you have made many times
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You have asked me now repeated time specific information, to which each time my reply has I volunteered such months ago....
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Coherency much of a problem for you? Try garbling your words more, it makes it easier to understand you
You haven’t volunteered anything, you have offered no proof of your contentions that weed turns to compost in 3 hours. I suggest you do so, your reputation is on the line
In fact, due to your lack providing any evidence when asked after repeated postings, your reputation is going down the tubes!
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You seem to keep fliping "proof" upon me, when I am the only one who has any
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Really, and what proof would that be?
The proof you have repeatedly failed to provide that will admonish your refuted claims?
We are all eagerly awaiting this proof joe, since you have been asked again and again now and haven’t come up with any !!!!!!!!!!
Where is your video showing weed turning to mush?
Where are your experiments showing no damage to trichomes? I’ve seen the effects of heavy wind and rain on trichomes under a microscope from numerous harvested plants at different times. But I don’t need to go on about my own experiences, there is plenty of documentation online (already pointed out to you numerous times) that shows this.
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Now, furthermore.....why admin and mods allow such to continue, is not only ridiculous, but should also be great concern, since this is a "grow forum", and your someone who not only does not grow, but has shown does not know how
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They allow it to continue because any reasonable, logical person can see that I am correct, and you are just spewing nonsense and digging yourself a deeper hole.
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Now , I could continue when I see fit (because of course, you offer nothing but distractions, which admin should again take note of...)
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Really? Yeah ok
I donno joe, you are so off topic you can’t seem to remember the original issue at hand – that you have no proof for your arguments that weed turns to mush in 3 hours in a bag, nor do you have evidence rebutting what was seen in brown dirt’s videos.
Then you make up a whole bunch of other unproven (and unprovable) flack such as “I do not know anything”, “I haven’t done this or that”, etc., etc. But we’ve been over this already. Again, pathetic
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to pose you questions all day (which would be trick questions, that only someone who grows would know , but, since you have refused all questions to date....
What would be the point....
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Whatever you say, since this is more obvious smoke and mirrors, and you clearly have demonstrated that you do not know as much about growing as you think you know.
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Your a joke, it's obvious.
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Then why is everyone laughing at you joe ?
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You've never grown a single plant, it's obvious.
You refuse to provide anyone, anywhere of your claims, so, the answer is obvious.
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Why should I tell or show you or anyone anything about illegal activity I may or may not have been involved in?
The answer is obvious 
You have been refusing evidence for your claims from the start, when I put out all the evidence right in front of your face. You ignore and deny. It is a tactic christians and other fundamentalists use when they are faced with clear evidence refuting their claims.
But here is is again for you to ignore and deny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpv4z2pkEGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ltcaoZ6-xY
Study it. Be it. Become one with it. Accept it, and move on.
Or you can make up more straw men and attack those. It’s been real easy rebutting all your fallacies and pointing out all your meaningless rhetoric in an open forum, essentially humiliating you
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You continue to post...lift other people's posts....
Why?...
For what?...
To waste my time?...
To waste everyone else's time....
To prevent and derail anything of use? (mods...HINT)
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What are you rambling about?
Can’t you just be a man and admit that you were wrong?
Or do you have to senselessly tire on in a vain attempt to try and “come out on top”? As if that means or proves anything about you. At some point tenacity in one’s convictions becomes concurrent to fundamentalist thought. You are way beyond there at this point
Anything of use? Why would you tell people obvious false and incorrect information, and then continue to fight for the validity of this information when it has clearly been proven incorrect?
Where are your videos rebutting the evidence and showing your contentions correct?
Why are you derailing the issues and trying to prevent any meaningful discussions from taking place allowing people to gain useful information? (mods… HINT )
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You also seem to stick on trichs and rain....
I have personally been involved in 10's of thousands of outdoors plants.(been documented cover last 6 years on 3 sites. Mods are welcome to also confirm this if they like...) I have also discussed this with hundreds who have been growing outdoors also for up to decades.
You keep reading and thinking you know something because you read it....
The rest of us discuss results from doing it..
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That’s great, YOUR STILL WRONG. Oohhh 6 years of growing. Ooh 10K whatever plants. That’s nothing. People like you think your such big time. Your living big dreams boy big dreams. I know who you are and I’ve read your posts.
You go find your documentation and your discussions and independent sources backing you up and post them in context, and I can find plenty of evidence from other growers, books, and other resources showing you that you are still wrong. A heavy wind and rain close to harvest time is not good, and may fuck shit up. I am not the only one who can attest to this, that’s the kind of shit you read in books all the time. IF you read books
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Doesn't even know basic veg and comes in calling himself a pro
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Yeah ok, like this hasn’t been addressed before
Keep making stuff up though, makes your arguments look all the more convincing
Maybe you should look up in context what was originally said and stop making yourself look so foolish
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(I never have said such, anywhere, anytime...because the title isn't a self proclaimed one btw
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You come here claiming you are the only “real” grower, that you know everything, and this and that, and spew a whole bunch of meaningless garbage that will not help anyone growing, rather it has the potential to ruin harvests. I can only imagine your motivation (mods… HINT)
I can pull the same bullshit you do, as it is clear you do not grow and have never grown a single plant, since you don’t even know basic indoor/outdoor growing information about weather, trichomes, resin, harvesting, curing, genetics, and general growing knowledge (root size, nutes, light, etc., dictate yield and potency, not just genetics).
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Now, it's obvious you have no interest in offering anything of your own (because, by your own words, you refuse to, and have no interest, per an earlier post...), and, we can read the same posts that your passing as your own elsewhere, so....
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What the hell are you talking about? Garbling nonsense comes to mind when one reads your sentences. “Same posts I’m passing as my own elsewhere?” Source and evidence much? Why are basic things like coherency and logical sense that much of a problem for you?????
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You display the actions of someone seriously lacking basic self respect to be engaging in such, and, frankly, by responding, I am coming close to being no better.
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You attack me and claim I lack basic self respect?
Ingenious joe!
You claim a whole bunch of garbage in an attempt to avoid the real issue- THAT YOU WERE PROVEN WRONG AND HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR DISPROVED CLAIMS.
Now post your video evidence? We’ve been waiting forever now
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"Mods, check my handle"......
You won't, because you can't, because your not real...
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Sure, whatever you say. Mods, check my handle, like that really matters.
Better yet, check my links, pictures, and videos that prove joe wrong, since joe doesn’t have any proving his own contentions !!!!!!!!!
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Readers should also start to question why such a security issue has not been addressed......
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I agree, when some lying buffoon from IC wants to tout how great he is when he is proven wrong countless times again and again, who repeatedly tries to coerce people into discussing illegal activity they may or may not have done, people should be concerned.
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Please feel free to post the same thing over 40 more times.
We expect it.
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What was that about posting the same thing 40 times joe? Yes, you have done this in every one of your posts. It’s the same nonsense over and over that I have ALREADY debunked.
Yeah, that thing you refuse to see proves you are a complete nincompoop?
Here it is again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpv4z2pkEGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ltcaoZ6-xY
Yes, we do expect you to dodge the evidence again and again over 40 times. At least. We’re used to it by now.
You failed yet again to rebut brown dirt’s video and rather continue to ignore it.
Oh well, you lose again, and this time, it was your reputation that you have lost
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btw......LE?....
Who else would claim to be a grower on a grow forum and not possess basic knowledge and refuse to provide any evidence otherwise....
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YOU WOULD joe!
Since you obviously have demonstrated that you don’t know basic things about weather, trichomes, genetics, weed turns to mush in 3 hours LoL LoL priceless.
Woefully out of your depth ring a bell ?
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As I said....do a little more reading, and, maybe next time you will actually be able to get by...(until you are asked specific questions, as has happened here....)
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You should be the one doing the reading clearly, as I have been holding your hand the entire way.
Still waiting for answers from you. Still waiting for those pics and vids and your evidence. Waiting waiting waiting.
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All is not lost though, I know you have a couple extra handles here, so, maybe you'll have better luck with those.....
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That’s ok, we know you have extra handles, and you use them in a vain attempt to talk to yourself on the message boards, using fake usernames you have created to try to back yourself up.
It has happened before in the potency thread, and everyone quickly spotted you for what you were.
Its pathetic. But at least you are starting to admit your follies, that is the first step!
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(But, of course, you will refuse to answer all previous questions posed to you, and repeat the same answered, refuse to verify claims, etc...)
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You don’t ask any questions, you stammer out some nonsense and then claim it is a question
You have not provided evidence for any of your claims AGAIN.
You have failed again to provide evidence for your claim that weed turns to mush in 3 hours.
Remember now that your word is not evidence, it is garbage, as you are a proven liar and troll and it has been shown that you do not even possess basic growing knowledge.
We’re all STILL waiting for that evidence joe.
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I pity a man who has such an empty life as to have nothing better to do with his time then pretend to be something on an online forum..... (Assuming your not LE....that I would understand for various reasons...but, if not?.....), and even argue the point....
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I pity a person who has to lie against others when they are proven wrong with actual evidence . Oh well.
I also pity a person whose only recourse is to lie against others to try and attack them as you have done. Its hilarious and pathetic all at the same time
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I mean, my god.......talk about sad......
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High Man
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It should be moved, as it's a troll thread to begin with (created with no other purpose but to create conflict)
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YOU are the one who created the conflict joe, remember?
I know you can’t, you can’t seem to remember how I proved your ridiculous arguments wrong with actual evidence.
And you continually ignore this and offer nothing to rebut the evidence proving you wrong.
You post lies and attacks one after another. What is this the 7th post now where you have had ample opportunity to post evidence for your claims yet you have not?
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I have called him out. Period. He has been in the position to provide any kind of documentation for any and all claims, and has refused post after post after post.
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No joe, I’ve called YOU out.
You have refused to provide documentation for all your claims, and you have refused to do so in post after post after post.
This is clear and apparent.
It is in utter lunacy that you make a claim that I need to provide documentation for my claims. I HAVE PROVIDED THE DOCUMENTATION FOR MY CLAIMS, YOU HAVE NOT.
Remember these?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpv4z2pkEGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ltcaoZ6-xY
I know you don’t. You don’t want to remember, because you were shown how wrong you are, and you STILL can’t accept it.
It must make you feel so angry, and this anger is quite apparent in your posts and subsequent attacks.
But maybe you just can’t see them. Here, I’ll increase the size for you so you can more easily view them-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpv4z2pkEGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ltcaoZ6-xY
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(btw....documentation of claims is what grow forums exist upon........so.....this is not a far fetched request...)
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That’s right, documentation is what grow forums exist upon, and as per above, I have given videos showing you are wrong, and again you have not given anything (… We’re still waiting for your videos joe ).
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2. There is nothing to be discussed, there is nothing to be debated.....
What we have here is the most basic of concepts....
"Put up or shut up"
He won't , because he can't, so, until that occurs, well......conversation is over....
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You have been repeatedly asked joe to put up or shut up
Quite frankly this is ridiculous
Nothing can be discussed because you won’t put up and you won’t shut up
You offer nothing to add, just nonsensical ad homs, AGAIN.
Still another post and no videos from you, no evidence at all.
In fact you refuse to give evidence!
Where are your videos?
Where is your evidence?
I have given evidence! What about you?!?!?!?
Where’s the proof of a pool of mush after 3 hours?
Stop beating around the bush, stop refusing to put up the evidence for your claims.
You ARE in a position to provide evidence for your claims right joe??? You say you do, so do it, put up the video.
We’re all still waiting joe.
Put up or shut up.
Your credentials are seriously on the line.
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I'll even start a pool......whose holding the money.....
Put up......or shut up...
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I’m going to start a pool too, one where we bet on how many posts you can ramble on in while dodging the evidence presented to you, and while not presenting any evidence for your own claims
Where’s the videos showing microscope close-ups of before and after shots of heavy winds and rain doing no damage trichomes?
Where are your videos showing cannabis resin is like roofing tar?
Where is your video showing a bag of weed turning to mush in 3 hours?
Yes joe, put up or shut up, we’ve ALL been waiting for you
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Otherwise, what we have is, by his own words, a self proclaimed "scientist" with unmatched credentials
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As we have a self proclaimed “pro grower” from the north east with unmatched credentials (since you don’t know the difference between resin and roofing tar and think weeds turns to mush in 3 hours).
Now you can think whatever you want about what I may or may not be. You’ll still be wrong. But I know all about you. Where’re your from, where you operate, how you operate heheheheheh…
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from Cali, who operates and maintains "significant" indoor and outdoor operations, with multiple handles on multiple sites, who circulates throughout the global community
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You can think whatever you want, free country.
I’m loving this stuff though, keep up more. LoL “I’m from Cali”. No, maybe I just work there from time to time. Or maybe I am from there LoL.
Discussion of potential criminal activity? I think not, and neither should you be talking
Since, of course, I’m going to tell you all about my multi-billion dollar international illegal operations, and post all about them online, handing out dates and pictures.
Cause that’s how the pros do it (and not get clipped/arrested) LOLOLOL OMFG ROFL
Are you even on a proxy server or do you post from home, not any kind of public computer ??
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but doesn't understand basic veg and can't produce any evidence whatsoever anywhere of any claim above....
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You’re the one who keeps claiming this, and once again you have no evidence of such.
Oh well, more LIES from a someone who clearly doesn’t know what they are talking about. Do you have the drug czar and NIDA on speed dial? You must have 5 plants in your basement and think they are the greatest thing ever. Go put them outside during a bad storm and then harvest them .
Yet, I have shown that you clearly do not know about basic outdoor weed growing, with actual evidence, and other growers have even backed me up previously in other threads about these facts
Nowwww, had you said something like (and I said this before), the right conditions for this effect to happen, say something like harvesting wet weed after (or in!) a rain in a given environment, one that is perhaps wet and humid, or that has warm/cold temperature shifts, then having them in bags for too long, being wet, subject to extreme temperatures, will probably result in some bud mold and bud rot and wet mush as you described. <-Reasonable claim. Unreasonable claim -> “weed turns to mush/compost in 3 hours”. See the difference? I am sure you do not But thankfully you are not everyone else.
BUT wait a second here joe… You said weed resin is like roofing tar, so shouldn’t that mean that the resin on the plants protects the weed from moisture and heat accumulation building up inside the bag that would otherwise damage them ? You really are full of contradictions
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Put up or shut up....
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Yep, put up or shut up joe, you needed to do this for what 6, 7 posts now?
Do you have any evidence to rebut the video of brown dirt?
NO?
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Mr.C
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guys,,,,with all due respect it seems a little ridiculous to be calling each other out asking to provide incriminating evidence from each other,,,neither of you are going to do it,,and I dont blame you i wouldnt do it either.
im talking personal grow info
how long are you guys going to go back and forth?
I,,,and others are glad to have both of you contributing for sure. We concider both of you great assets to this forum.
highman,(TO ME,,and im speaking for myself here),your constant requests are borderlining on suspicious. I cringe everytime i read your requests,,and LET ME SAY I do understand WHY you are requesting what you are,,,but its not right to expect it regardless.
I can tell you joe is not going to post anything incriminating on this site,,,hes just not! (he can tell you why if he wants),but i do think its fair to go where he has provided what you have asked for in other links.(if i recall correctly he provided links to answer the questions you have requested answers too)
i think you BOTH offer different perspectives on the same subject and thats GREAT as far as im concerned. thats what we need.
and joe i dont think anybody is "stroking" us here meaning,,i think at this point theres plenty of information for an educated person to make a decision one way or another,,,seriously
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Joe
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| Mr.C wrote: | guys,,,,with all due respect it seems a little ridiculous to be calling each other out asking to provide incriminating evidence from each other,,,neither of you are going to do it,,and I dont blame you i wouldnt do it either.
im talking personal grow info
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I've readily offered it. You know this to be a fact. Last 2 runs documented extensively start through finish, pics included.
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I can tell you joe is not going to post anything incriminating on this site,,,hes just not! (he can tell you why if he wants),but i do think its fair to go where he has provided what you have asked for in other links.(if i recall correctly he provided links to answer the questions you have requested answers too)
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Well, I never requested info.....I requested admins confirm....(as I did....secifics are none of his business since he's not real, but, glad to back it up.....
Listen....
I did not make his statements. He put himself in the position he is in.
He's coming at me (from first post), so, he wants to go head to head, well that's how we roll.
Put up, or shut up.....
The desperation is clear in his posts....he's starting to sound like a hysterical woman....
I've presented documentation of every claim from day one. Period.
So.....head to head?
Your turn.
Period.
You want to keep coming at me?, well, now you have what you want.
Prove it.
My initial impressions are now starting to change a little, since he has become a desperate child merely repeating what has been asked of him over and over.....
Put up, or shut up
This is how it works:
You don't?
Then your full of shit.
Issue not going to go away..
Period.....until you back up your claims, your FOS.
Feel free to lock thread until he is ready to provide such and be amused at the wait
What's wrong hymen?.....no accounts?.....no grows?.....no credentials?.....pics of a couple dixie cups on a windowsill?
You painted yourself into this corner...
high "Man".....
Prove it...
I liked your one post where you said you were saving up to buy a magazine btw...
Guess those indoor and outdoor crops aren't so significant...
The commentary on nutes was good too....didn't even know brand names of nute lines you had used, had to "look it up"
Put up or shut up...
No more talking....
Let's hear (from admin/mods about your labs....)
I'm back to work.....let me know when he produces something to you guys that supports all claims, ("labs" indoor, outdoors, in trees,etc) and I'll be the first to send flowers.....
Edit: C, sorry if any had the hint of channeled towards you. Wasn't....Hymen lives on the delusions that his behavior behind a screen somewhere actually affects another (projection...)...I assure you, while I may sound firm, I am only amused
To anyone else familiar with any of my work, well, it's obvious now exactly who this poster is there.
Just as it was there
I do recognize "woefully out of your depth"....it is my phrase after all....
Your own speech in passing is even lifted
You don't even have the intellectual capacity to speak casually without assistance...
Now that is funny...
Put up or shut up.....bottom line...
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