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Mr.C
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:08 pm    Post subject: Security 101 thread for outdoor cultivation Reply with quote
Im hoping to get some usefull tips here on what a person should be aware of. what to look for and to avoid while growing out-doors.

all things regarding security while growing indoors..hoping to make a sticky out of it,,would be a very usefull thread.

what items should one have,,circle or go straight in to the crop?

maybe start at the planning stages all the way to harvest dealing strictly with security issues.

any tips would be great


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Carry camping equipment as a precaution while guerrilla-growing. Don't take my word for the effectiveness of this.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
*Make sure you are not being watched or followed.

Check your car for hidden GPS devices. Make sure no one is tailing you. Make heat runs of any given area before doing anything.

Try to keep trips to the area as infrequent as possible and try not to be routine about going there.

*Know the area you are growing in.

Make dry runs to the spot. Find many ways in and out that you can go. Learn the terrain. Watch for trails you and others may have made.

Watch for animals and their habits. Some birds stop chirping when people are near, some birds chirp more or louder. Listen to the habits of frogs and other insects in this respect as well. Most frogs and insects will stop chirping when humans are around. This is very effective to know when humans are around or not. Watch for dear and other animals as well (flapping of beaver tails for example- beavers flap to warm people/predators to stay away at night).

*Buy IR and Night Vision goggles/cameras.

Use these if you plan on growing at night. If you plan on doing operations at night, I'd say these are essential. If police are tailing you at night, they are sure to have these devices to try and catch you. In order to spot them you will need these devices to see them in the dark as well, watching for cars and people.

Remember helicopters searching an area also probably have these devices to spot you from the air.

It may be useful to find a material that is able to mask IR signatures and make a camo blanket out of the material. I don't know if such material exists, but it would be worthwhile to look into possibilities.

*Keep patches small, and try to hide them in places where they will get enough sunlight and aren't shaded by too many trees, but also so that they blend into their surroundings with other plants.

High up hills and mountains are good, but can be more easily spotted from the air if you aren't careful.

*Pack everything you take in out with you.

NEVER leave any trash, even concealed trash. Just take it out with you, and be careful of leaving fingerprints and footprints anywhere behind.

*Work in the rain.

Ninjas used to only do missions in the rain. Not only would it cover their tracks, but it eliminates the sound they may make while traveling through the woods.

Its messy and wet, but less people will be out where ever you are in the rain. Also, the sound of the rain covers any sound you may make while walking or shoveling or doing anything else grow related. Sounds can carry, and the rain masks sounds very well. At night in the rain? That's ninja balls.

*Wear a disguise.

Hide your face somehow so you are unseen. Wear a hat and/or bandanna on your head. Tie and bunch up that long hair under a hat. Wear sunglasses. Have a bandanna around you neck that you can cover your face up to your nose with in a jiffy, and use sunglasses. Have clothing you use only for growing. Burn it or safely get rid of it (especially when done growing) and change the wardrobe up often if you can. Make yourself look like a different person every time you go out, not the same guy with the same hat and same color jeans and same shirt and same sunglasses and same bandanna. Hell, dress up like a woman (or if you are a woman dress up like a man) as a disguise!

*See a helicopter or plane, hide and duck!

Remember such things probably have FLIR, which means you are a bright red dot in the open dark if you aren't well hidden crouched behind rocks and/or trees.

*Get the intel about where you are.

Try to find out all you can about the area, is it well known for growing? How many cops does the town have active at any one time? Are there EPs (environmental police) in the area too? Do they do helicopter or plane flyovers of the area or not? What about the local papers, any words on grows caught in the past or present?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
thanks guys,,

remember that you should tell no-one about your grow.

i got more im going to add this weekend im just short on time right now,

these are good for sure,,thanks again

no fingerprints,,take trash out,,haha this feels like house chores lol
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
what about safety during cultivation,,should one do the cutting and trimming in the field? or cut the plants up stuff them in bags and go somewhere else? which would mean traveling with way more than you could eat. wink

no seriously though,,i would think most people wouldnt feel too secure trimming in the field and you would atleast have to take the product somewhere to dry,,,i guess depending on ones location if it is secluded enough you could cut and dry in the field,,but it would sure suck if someone found the stuff at that stage. or animals eat it lol


there are a ton of variables arent there?! say 100 plants,,do you cut and go or do everything in the field. at what point does the number of plants FORCE you to cut and trim in the field huh?

what way would someone spread out 100 plants? or more?

again i suppose it depends on location huh?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
*On using phones /GPS during a grow...

I say don't. The government can track you from your phone or GPS linkup so theres no point. If you know what you are doing you should know the area enough that you won't need one of these. Get a compass.

*Going in and out.

I'd say ideally things work like this: plant unfeminized seeds/plants, thats one trip. Trip 2, cull males. Trip 3 harvest.

Or how about: Plant feminized seeds/plants, one trip. Trip 2 harvest.

But things don't usually work that way, and you want to check things out more than 2 or 3 times. You may want to go back to water during a dry period, or prune and/or tie plants down. You may want to go back to fertilize and water. Either way, more trips is more exposure which means more chances of getting caught. Try to do as many things at one time as possible (Cull males, prune and tie down females, pesticide, fertilizer, water.).

*Harvest

No matter the size of harvest, I would cut everything down at one time, not cut and go back. Anything unwanted is left at site (leaves/branches). Cut or Rip off larger branches and fan leaves that do not have buds, doing so in a way that doesn't harm the buds. Doesn't have to be all of them, just major big stuff that will increase your load but not be worthwhile in the end. If you pruned your plants previously in one of your runs this will probably be easier than if you didn't. Cut the main stalk and place in trash bag. Repeat for everything. Bag fills up, double or triple bag, bag the other end, and put in a duffel bag. Repeat till bag is full. Then fill more bags until you are done. Carry shit out. If you can't carry everything out in one run then hide whatever bags you need to very well and go back as soon as you can.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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what about safety during cultivation,,should one do the cutting and trimming in the field? or cut the plants up stuff them in bags and go somewhere else? which would mean traveling with way more than you could eat. wink

no seriously though,,i would think most people wouldnt feel too secure trimming in the field and you would atleast have to take the product somewhere to dry,,,i guess depending on ones location if it is secluded enough you could cut and dry in the field,,but it would sure suck if someone found the stuff at that stage. or animals eat it lol

Lot of people do.....lot of people don't......all depends on location size, resources available (for drying)....

Outdoor initial hang depending on weather and conditions is always superior product, plus you lose half the weight, smell, and water......(Travel issues....)

Not for the novice though in general...

If not, lot do quick trim on site before taking them in, which helps with load...

Lot of angles to harvest. Lot of cases best to get everything out as soon as possible, wrap it up, and, celebrate a successful season.....

Not "done" until it is secured.

Anything can happen at any time....
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there are a ton of variables arent there?! say 100 plants,,do you cut and go or do everything in the field. at what point does the number of plants FORCE you to cut and trim in the field huh?

what way would someone spread out 100 plants? or more?

again i suppose it depends on location huh?

Numbers though go back to planning, and, lot of angles in itself...

Does one have resources to take care of everything they are bringing in (trimming everyones least favorite task, even with machines...)

Does one want to bring it all in the same time (cut all at once), can one...(physically)...Sometimes, depending on location and numbers...one might want to stagger strains....(use different strains with different finishing times to spread harvest out.....)

You don't want to be hit all at once if anything larger...

100 plants?...can be a little or a lot...

Could be 100 late planted mini's at an ounce or two each, or could be 100 5lb'ers....(which, as one can see......cutting and transporting all at the same time is not pleasant when talking volume.....it's a heavy workload....

Extremely heavy.....something which cannot be understood without doing it, but, something to always be aware of and plan for throughout the season..(One shouldn't be doing something they don't know what they are going to do with it when ready...)

Dry, transport, and trim should be addressed in planning of op when talking outdoor ops....

For average person, even 20 1/2 lb'ers can be a serious problem depending on the resources they have available..

Mr.C wrote:
uot;]these are some great write ups,,and true i dont think one can FULLY prepare for everything but these are damn great points to start with and in sure somethings will eventually get covered more than once,,,thats ok

Most of the time, it's just the same things over and over and over which are posted 100 other places, and, as soon as a thread is finished, a new one pops up to take it's place (of the same thing, over and over and over....)

Like the above....
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going legit would be financial but how bout financial security haha just kidding but yeah it probably doesnt hurt to drop a reminder that if your making your money in a dirty way to find a way to turn it positive,,,im NOT saying launder money,,im saying start a different business and contribute back in a legal way,,do you really want to grow the rest of your life? wink(maybe so who knows),,,,anyway,, even i digress

From before harvest through liquidating investments and everything in between.

Was just covered....proper investment and banking, asset investigations,real estate and investment,tangible assets, business's through start up, and beyond.

Should be at least 40 pages of it.

One should always completely eliminate a "fake" business from their mind.......

Another expansive subject in itself.
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lets see what about minimizing smell,,indoor?

what TYPE of aircleaners are best? is the charcoal airfilters better than the ozone generators?

Carbon filters. Worth their weight in gold.

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hey what about always being THAT GUY with the fresh nugs? you know is it a big worry when in the south most pot is brick weed but when one sees good fresh nugs it can be a sign of a grow close by,,(this is for indoor and out i guess) what can be done about this or is it something worth worrying about? if someone wanted to sell what they cultivated would it be better to compress the pot or is there more money in nugs?

"Fresh" is never the problem per se......

We're talking "wet"
wink

Different schools of thought (the wise and the opposite), and, while most tend to believe they make more off the wet weight then they do dry......a good dry and cure also increases value, not to mention wet is a total and complete security breach.

Signal source nearby, and they want the source.

Dried and cure, especially if astounding product, is always believed to have been obtained elsewhere. (Just say Cali wink

Everything goes to one person, always if at all possible.

As above, and, the most insignificant of things......

Lack of proper dry and cure in the end could be the one that gets you.....
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what about entire grow houses? one would assume similar but yet diff security issues. thats probably a whole other topic right there. Does this bring us into the dont get too greedy category?

I thought we were talking about such....

"Whole house" as in complete and total shell is the biggest mistake any foolish person can make.....at that point, your into a commercial space.

Lot of people run 10k in a house........moderate sized...profitable......yet not over the top.......from there on commercial location might be better suited, and, as the budget starts to get up there (a proper operating budget), then the option of securing property for outdoor comes into play also...

Or.......to put it another way:
There is never a shortage of them in the news...

Very unwise....(whole house)...

Commercial....smaller multiples (locations) the way to go....

If one breaks it down...(we're back to financial)...a fairly "small" op can not only be profitable, but, completely pave the way for much greater things financially...(extremely efficient 4k might get you 170k in 12 months........and, of course, 4k, reasonably small......for a larger property?....4k would be absolutely nothing regarding power draw....could be worked and maintained by one person fairly easy, etc......)

170k for example can do quite a bit for one if they are wise financially.....

Example: School, home, investment property, a business, etc....or a combination of any or all of the above...
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now with electricity? we have LED grows,,but it seems i read somewhere that just regular flourescent lamps will grow too,,correct me on this,,does it HAVE to be HPS or 500-1000 watts plus? it just needs the color spectrums right?

what about installing a nice airconditioner in direct line with the lamps to keep heat down then heat wouldnt need to be vented right? what do people use to cool their lights on large indoor grows? with the wiring of timers and so on its probably not a bad idea to have a fire extinguisher?

Light is your density and yield. Lot of people use flouro's and some LED's....

I have no idea why in all honestly....not most efficient..(depends on needs......clones?...of course flouro's...

Wiring not an issue if done properly, but, fire extinguisher never a bad idea..(homeowners should be less with one maybe also smile

Nah, light is your density and yield, so....either 1k's or 600's, and, anything smaller, well....
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i see now why it could hit 100 pages haha

And of course, in the end...it all comes full circle because most issues lead into others which in turn lead to others and eventually right back again smile


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
High Man wrote:
If you can't carry everything out in one run then hide whatever bags you need to very well and go back as soon as you can.

Well you've certainly done this before, haven't you laughing

Absolutely, positively never leave a filled bag closedfor a moment longer then you have to....

New growers are welcome to fill a bag, and leave it, and test temperatures as time goes on with a thermometer.....

Composting
ring a bell?.....

It has already been clearly established the poster above has not even the basic knowledge.

The above is another case of that.

A hefty bag filled and closed will reach well into the 100's within 3-5hrs.

Very good way to ensure a nice moldy mush if left too long...

Great advice!

Once at location if sealed and bagged should be opened and out as soon as possible, with some circulation, (most places air conditioned) and some cooler temps.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Another word on harvesting again I said it in the other thread, but if you want to be able to do the work then you can't be some slouch! Train and get fit to be able to handle the physical work you will be doing. Its going to be a long haul.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
ohhh one more quick one


safest place to store harvested and trimmed buds???

mason jars??? dig a hole and bury it?? what you say?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
if you dont want to store it on your property i think it would be a bitch to find somewhere comfortable to bury it?

but even then it will become moldy right?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mr.C wrote:
ohhh one more quick one

safest place to store harvested and trimmed buds???

mason jars??? dig a hole and bury it?? what you say?


Mr.C wrote:
if you dont want to store it on your property i think it would be a bitch to find somewhere comfortable to bury it?

but even then it will become moldy right?


All depends what your talking about...but, a decent quality commercial sealer is worth it's weight in gold..(Hell, use it for food and you've already paid it off wink

Minimum
one should spend is $500...(which is as little as the first ounce depending on what region one is in...)

All depends on what your talking.....if a p and a half for personal, seal it up in quarters....

Note: Sealing....freezers, any kind of storage, your target is dried and cured...not "kinda" dry.....etc....

If strictly ps...little risk in having it around (no problems, no trouble, no traffic, no exposure....)

If talking 5-10,20's, etc...more issues come into play.....majority should be elsewhere.,...even broken up over multiple locations.....

Security 101- No cash, product, op in the same place at the same time.

Something happens......your wiped out...has happened thousands of times before, and will happen again...(and abilities depend on resources, etc...)

Larger ops, your talking short term rentals for the dry,trim,and cure....or, a combination of methods (outdoor initial hang, then transport to drying house, etc.....when done packed up and gone......)

Harvest issues should be, as elsewhere, addressed in planning stage....

Harvest outdoor is not the time to be asking yourself how are you going to dry, transport, trim, cure...

That should have been addressed before you even started the op....

All goes full circle back to Growing 101: smile
One should be able to address any and every issue, backwards and forwards.........If not?, back to the drawing board....

How much is expected?
What is low yield estimate/high yield estimates?
What about transport?
What is the space needed to accommodate the above estimates?
What about odor control? (if small, possibly not needed)
What procedure? (ie: How much time between different rounds? How much work to be completed, how much room if not completed...)
A combination of techniques to accommodate (ie: Hang out first round, bring in and trim first round when cutting second round, etc, etc...)

cutting, drying, transport, trimming, curing......a lot of angles to all that one should have addressed pre cut...

(Which also leads back to pre season planning......number of plants, different finishing times, same finishing times, how many at once, spread it all out for less of a workload at any given time, etc....)
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Well you've certainly done this before, haven't you
Absolutely, positively never leave a filled bag closedfor a moment longer then you have to....
New growers are welcome to fill a bag, and leave it, and test temperatures as time goes on with a thermometer.....
Composting ring a bell?.....
It has already been clearly established the poster above has not even the basic knowledge.
The above is another case of that.
A hefty bag filled and closed will reach well into the 100's within 3-5hrs.
Very good way to ensure a nice moldy mush if left too long...
Great advice!
Once at location if sealed and bagged should be opened and out as soon as possible, with some circulation, (most places air conditioned) and some cooler temps.


Gee well you just like to make up bullshit just to satiate your own need to attack others don't you?

It has been clearly established that you like to attack others, and you are not the be all and end all of growing knowledge, even though you may think you are. Basic knowledge? Trichomes not ripped off of buds by handling, wind, rain? Resin on cannabis glands is like roofing tar? LoL genetics is genetics? Cannabis potency? How many more follies of yours shall I mention?

Its ok joe, take a deep breath, especially before you start on your next rant. I know you like to make things up and try to attack others with it, its ok. Logical fallacies are your nature and we know this. You also seem to have a problem repeating things others say. Its ok, you can work on your faults in time.

Now, I love where you try and put some kind of words in my mouth saying "leave a bag long enough to turn to mush", or whatever you are trying to imply.

I said if one had to, to hide a bag and then go back and get it as soon as possible.
Thats all. Now you come in with some page long diatribe flaming me. How high are you? Apparently not high enough to sit back and think for a moment.

You are trying to imply that from my sentence I said something about leaving a bag somewhere for longer than 3 to 5 hours? Why would you make that assumption? Why would you make up things to try and attack others? You seem to constantly just want to stir up trouble, and try to impose a sense that you are an authority, THE only authority, and that you are never wrong. Well we all know that THAT is not true big grin

The intentions of my statements were to state that if one needed to, they could leave a bag and go back to retrieve it.
This could be as simple as 10 minutes of hiking from the hiding spot to the car or even an hour or more back and forth. I would assume the bag is shaded and protected with my tender wording in saying it should be well hidden, and that you aren't going home and catching a blunt and the Simpsons in my wording choice stating that you should retrieve the bag as soon as possible.
Cause obviously when I say well hidden and retrieve as soon as possible I mean you should leave the bag right in the open sun beating down all day on it for 12 hours as you would try to, and like to imply I said big grin

Now, if you wanted to state/discuss your personal experiences regarding the amount of time one does or doesn't want to have cannabis bagged up left outside/in a car then you can do so in a clear and intelligible manner unlike the manner in which you presented your arguments, that doesn't attack people or make false accusations against them, and then those ideas are put forth and left open for discussion or debate in an intelligible manner.

Now I wouldn't doubt that too much moisture and heat over time will result in fungus and mold growing, and that heat can build up inside such a bag for numerous reasons, but the technique I was describing is much like the one seen here in these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=brwndirtwarrior&p=r

Episode 10, brown dirt harvesting. Notice how he gets stuck in the brush due to police helicopters and states how he had to stay in his truck overnight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpv4z2pkEGo

In episode 11 he is waking up for the day and decides to check out another patch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ltcaoZ6-xY

You can see things go sour on this subsequent day. Keep in mind the pot goes from a black trashbag in a duffel bag to inside garbage bins which are then taped.

By episode 12 we see how he makes it through the roadblock, yet it is nightfall. He goes home and what does he have? Amazing bud. But he was stuck with buds in bags for over 24 hours. No mold problems as joe seems to have with his buds. Hmmmm. I don't know about about else but joe's arguments don't seem to make much sense with these results.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7hgjxoeV_k

Now brown dirt isn't adding some special mojo to keep buds from going moldy. Everything still was good after being bagged up for OVER 24 hours as anyone can see. Yet you claim harvested buds go moldy after only 3 to 5 hours, and you are attacking me wrongly over it. Whats the deal? Are you just trying to increase your post count? Or are you just stupid by nature?

Do you really think every thing you say is right, just because you say it, or do you have any real proof, pictures, or other documentation to show you are correct in your assertions other than your say so? Since you have had quite a problem finding documentation to prove your claims in the past when you have fought so dearly to hold on to these assertions, even though evidence appeared to show you were incorrect.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you had any experience, I would have not had to include the caution above. You would have when you mentioned it.

If you had any experience, you would not have to reference BrownDirt, you would have your own input.(Which you have refused to provide time and time and time again...)

You focus on statements I have made and stand behind and explained in detail, while you refused to do the same.

You have attempted to come into a community of people and claim you are something you are not, on a site with Law Enforcement issues.

There is nothing else to say.

Your not real, and this has been apparent since post one.

You seem to be the only one left unaware how obvious this is....

You offer nothing aside from plagiarism...

Why don't you tell people where your lifting your posts from wink

To anyone else wondering?, well, I welcomed above to bag up and leave, and, get a thermometer....

Try it for yourself wink

Oh, btw.....Where were yours again? The display of your claims....all those significant indoor and outdoor harvests, that lab.....IC account, right?...

I'm sure admin/mods would be glad to check and confirm your claims.

I volunteered all mine smile
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Anyway laughing

To continue and expand on the above, since it will be the time to address shortly, the above contains many aspects worthy of mention, starting with you never cut, bag, close and leave.....this isn't done....it's unwise for countless reasons...(including mold issues....)

If substantial amounts, endless variations of how to handle and the above method in videos in itself displays there risks associated with different approaches..(ie: Trimming in plots, etc...)

Security 101:
You do not want to stay in any plot a second longer than you have to.

Want to trim in the field....want to try drying a round out?

Cut it all and hang and do under cover.(Reasons why obvious.....)

Worth repeating: Cut and hang everything asap......if you want to work a few minutes or more, do it under cover......Plants no longer standing.......

Regarding bagging:
If volume requires multiple rounds and bags, you move them into the shade, fluff them as much as possible, and leave them open until you are ready to leave!

You don't tie up your bags....you don't leave in the sun, and you don't leave bags closed for a moment longer than you have to...

(To those who have a 5 minute drive home and 2 plants, feel free...most don't.....)

Now, since this is "Security 101", we'll address how such applies.

Written about here in endless places....called permeation......

The basics of why you do not want bagged a second longer than is necessary is security of transport....

On that note: change of clothes, alcohol (always several bottles/case),and gloves what you want on hand (note elsewhere regarding mold.....always several pairs of gloves, taking into consideration contamination and ripping issues) if fair amounts is mandatory....

None of the above and a fairly large (or more) plot?

You.......your fingers, hands, arms, back, everything is going to smell just like that plot (worse actually....well, better for you, worse if pulled over laughing wink until you get home and change clothes and shower...

Many people smile at the thought of scraping hash from their steering wheel after the fact.......wink, during the ride?...not that amusing wink

(btw......regarding what kind of bags?...most would agree the larger heavier contractor bags are best....never use off the shelf wal mat hefties....stems will punch right through them......contractor, doubled up can buy you quite a while and not provide an obvious smell to a human close by...(But, again....cross contamination....new gloves, new package of bags,change of clothes for final/second bagging and sealing....

(If small round.......1/4 bag.....etc...can double wrap in itself once and usually fine.....packed contractor bag..(not sure, think they re 50's)...different story....

For the same reason as elsewhere (product, transport, permeation), etc......if smaller runs, can break it up (ie: 5 bags filled 1/4 way, instead of 1 packed)....so, situation and volume dictates the method.....

An entire season?.......well...to anyone new?...have fun....because most would agree harvest and transport is the worst part of the entire season...

The more you do.......the more plot.....the higher the numbers?...the worse it is......

Not over till you "bring em in/home".

The above of course more reasons wink (mold, temps, etc......don't forget that thermometer if you want to see how hot the bags get wink

Any outdoor grower knows wink You learn it the first time you bring a batch in...wink
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