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TheDeanOfGreen
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So, Ive been reading the forums lately and have heard a lot about the underground pot lairs that exist. Does anyone know about how to build or construct these lairs? Any engineers want to comment on the difficulties of digging underground whilst not having a collapse?
Curiosity is driving this thread, so any and all are encouraged to comment... |
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shortyflow
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome to the board.
Thats all I am saying man.
Joe, Soc or someone else will help you out.
Way outta my realm. |
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High Man
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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I think it really depends first where you are growing underground, and how large/deep you want it to be.
Is it under your house, or just in a yard or other area underground?
It is going under some other kind of structure, like a pool?
Yea, I know how to build it without going into ridiculous engineering issues.
Depending on how much time and money you want to spend, how simplistic or extravagant you want it to be, the sky's the limit underground LoL.
Do you want it with a foundation of concrete? Or just propped up by wood? Do you want to dig a big hole, and set up a pre-done room (like, use a large metal storage container in the hole as a room, add ventilation and hatches, cover with so many inches of dirt), or make a room from scratch, setting up your own walls and such, make a ceiling, and cover it with dirt?
Do you want to dig tunnels way underground, and hollow out an area from there, or just remove the topsoil and dig down until you are where you want to be?
Its all in how you want to do it.
But, rest assured you'll find lots of problems.
Where you initially start it is a big one. Can neighbors see what your up to (building a shed or something first over a digging site helps)? What if you find a large mass of rock(s) that you cannot dig around? Blow them up? Rent equipment to dig them out? Very sketchy. What if the area is too wet, or the ground just isn't stable enough? You don't want to find that out by the time you've dug some large hole or cavern, only to have it collapse later. And once you dig a hole, what are you gonna do with all that excess dirt? You don't want to have people come to take it away. And just spreading it around is fine, but then that looks sketchy, from the ground and from the air. You'll need to get patches of grass to roll over it and make everything look neat and tidy.
And here's another issue, who are you getting to do all the digging and dirty work? Can't just have anybody, you have to have trusted people, people in on the growing operation itself, not just outsiders coming in to build stuff. But then, more people means more risk of getting caught, so the best way to do it is to do it all by yourself, which is extremely labor intensive. Better make it a small lair.
One option is to find a cave no one goes in and set up an operation there. That saves the trouble of digging a hole, but do you live in an area where there are such natural caves? |
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Mr.C
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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wow,,umm yeah,,,what he said.
awesome reply high man |
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shortyflow
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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How much time did that take you to type and think Highman?
what Mr.C said^^ |
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TheDeanOfGreen
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Here's what I know for sure:
I plan to dig a tunnel down into a main growing room, dome shaped, with a water reservoir room close by.
There is a large mound of dirt downhill from a apartment complex. The idea isn't to burrow into the actual dirt pile, but rather towards the apartments, uphill from the pile.
The area isn't known to have rock formations close to the surface, so I don't think that that will be a problem.
The area isn't slated for expansion into the area in the near future, and the location is about 100yds from the road that is patrolled.
The plan is to work at night and to brush away our tracks in case anyone decides to snoop.
See any loopholes I don't?
And PM me any questions that you have that might not be safe to publish on this public thread...
Oh, and my state doesn't have many caves that aren't easily accessed/not a part of a state or national park...
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And thanks for the welcome, its good to be amongst friends.
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I edited the post for security concerns. |
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High Man
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | How much time did that take you to type and think Highman? |
Not long I've though this through before 
| Quote: | | I plan to dig a tunnel down into a main growing room, dome shaped, with a water reservoir room close by. |
Hmmm, for an actual tunnel, you're probably going to want some engineers or someone who knows about keeping and maintaining structural integrity. Maybe you in fact do, if so, well you would know more than I about that. But seriously, that is not something you can just do a wikipedia or google search on. There are a lot of physics involved and you can die quite easily from a cave in.
Just making a hole that is then made into a room and covered is much easier. Still got cave in problems, but they can be more easily remedied than actually building a tunnel system to a cave room underground.
What you want to do does not sound feasible without at least 2 or more people who've got college degrees and have actually done it (built structurally stable tunnels/caves) before.
| Quote: | | The area isn't known to have rock formations close to the surface, so I don't think that that will be a problem. |
That's not really what I meant about rock formations. Typically in any given area there will be deposits of rocks underground beneath the soil surface. These rocks can be anywhere from 100 pounds to 10,000+ pounds on up.
There may not be a rock formation per se, but what happens when you run into a 8,000 pound 4 foot round boulder in the middle of your tunnel/hole? Dig around? Blast through? That's not happening.
Now I know where I am you get these kinds of rocks above and below the soil all the time, they are mostly around due to glacier movements way back when.
If you are further south and not near mountainous regions you may be safe from these kinds of boulders underground, but I'm not a geologist nor have researched the soils extensively in all areas across the USA, so I can't say. I can say that in any area aside from a plain/savanna or desert, you will probably encounter a large boulder underground in any given terrain just by digging long and deep enough.
In any event, if it's on a hill, the whole hill formation is probably one large rock, once you dig deep enough from the top soil.
| Quote: | | Oh, and my state doesn't have many caves that aren't easily accessed/not a part of a state or national park |
Well, most any cave is going to be on a national park or public land (or is unused and privately owned like a dried up coal or gold mine), the idea is that either people don't go there or that you can find a safe spot within the cave people do not go.
Also, you want a cave that's not easily accessible, that's the point! The less easily accessible, the better!
Typically though, the ideal place for an underground marijuana grow op is in a rural area, away from neighbors, cities, apartments, etc., a place where you can work and make noise and not be bothered or have nosy neighbors screwing with you.
Especially if your working on a slope and there is stuff above you, that just sounds bad to me. Anyone high up can easily see what you are doing, dark out or not, and they have the advantage of having position over you, being at a high point, where they can see and watch you, but you cannot see them. You want to be on a hill/mountain, looking down, so you can see anything and everything thats around you and may be watching/coming for you.
Working at night is also a bad idea, it makes you look much more sketchy, and it is also more difficult for you to see. You are going to want daylight to see what you are doing.
You'll need to set up a trap door to get in and out. Can that be done where you are? What about ventilation up to the surface? You'll probably need a ventilation shaft direct from the grow room to the surface, one that will pump out and bring in air, and it also needs to be well concealed somehow.
But how are you going to cover up the work you've done by morning? All that dirt, and a big gaping hole, someones gonna see, and your not going to get the thing done in one night. You'd have to make sure you have the trap door set up first, and have a place for all those rocks and dirt your going to be digging up and piling somewhere from your tunnel.
You will need A LOT of equipment to set up such a dig, and then once it is set up, you will need to bring in more equipment for the actual grow room. All that time and noise and equipment necessitates doing this in a place/area where NO ONE is around and no one can see you, period.
If you are thinking of using hand shovels, you'll be digging for months before you are finished. Digging for months in an open area that is not rural where people can possibly see? Not a good idea. For a hole encompassing a small room, shovels will do, but still takes a LONG time and is backbreaking work. You're better off getting a real job that pays well, or just gorilla grow somewhere. You'll still have to dig holes probably, but you won't be killing yourself.
You are better off following the advice in never get raided and elsewhere and set up an operation in a house in a basement somewhere or other kind of room. Your best bet is to probably set up a secret room, perhaps creating false walls and hiding a room that way (like, I'd take a large room or basement room and set up a room alongside a wall towards the back of the room, then build a seamless fake wall around that room with a secure and secret entrance. This will make that large room turn into a smaller room, but if done right no one will be the wiser due to the fake wall. A basement that used bricks I've found is good for this, build up a brick wall with secret entrance around your secret room). Use compact fluros to keep down energy costs and heat (or use gas generators). Buy or download the movie 'seemorebuds', and see how to grow 15 pounds in one room in 80 days off of an aquamist system. |
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TheDeanOfGreen
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Well, I'm glad I got a response from someone who knows what they're doing.
I was afraid that this idea would be a little too much to handle. Damn.
I'll continue to look into it, but the false room idea sounds brilliant. That is much more feasible.
Thanks High Man. |
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