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Thizzah
Concerned Citizen

Joined: 27 Jun 2008
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: Drug Tests

is there any way to beat a random at home drug test? I know they sell all kinds of stuff, but I hear that they are unrelijable. What do you do?

High Man
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:30 am Post subject:

I have heard this drink (which I have not yet tried) called herbal clean Q carbo clear which is supposed to work for 6 hours.

The store I got it from attested to it and people who've used it have attested to it. I have not yet tried my scientific review of the product but I do have it to use. It is a clear bottle and 5 "vitamin tablets"... Honestly I haven't looked at the thing since I bought it really, but looking at the ingredients I am not impressed. The water bottle component is basically sugar and preservative, and the pills some milk thistle, creatine monohydrate, alfalfa leaf, wheat grass, barley grass... Some other stuff, but I'm not impressed. BUT, theres a little fine print that says if you aren't satisfied with the product send proof of purchase to the addy and get a refund, one use per year. I think I'll use it and do that whether I'm satisfied or not, especially for the price I paid ($25).

I keep a little word file for myself, notes if you will, on information I have researched that will aid one in passing a drug screen.

Note, this only has things that will work, and they will only pass for a basic urine test. Any test that runs molecules through a HPLC or HPGC will detect even one molecule of drug or drug metabolite.

Typically, drinks and such DO NOT WORK, none, not goldenseal, astringents, diuretics, nada.

THC will stay in the blood 1-5 days depending on how much you use. For an occasional smoker 3 days is the norm for detection. Heavier smokers can expect THC to remain in the blood for up to 3 weeks, but that all depends.

Don't take a chance, you can buy test strips at CVS for cheap and test yourself to see if what works and what doesn't and how long your body holds THC and its metabolites. Remember most piss tests will first test you using the cheapo strip (so they save money). It is only if this tests positive for drugs will they send it to a lab for confirmation (running it through HPLC/HPGC, and that will detect whether you've done drugs or not period.

This is my cheat sheet, what WILL work or has the potential to work:

Water/juice early on before the test on test day, at least 8 glasses

Dilution lowers creatine. Eat a lot of red meat or supplements 3 days prior to test.

Vitamin C to color urine, or vitamin B-12

Give urine from mid stream, not the first or end of the stream. Pee some times before test.

Vitamin Lecithin… Take vitamin Lecithin with vitamin B5 to help break down the lecithin (or lecithin alone), lecithin breaks down fat and should release THC into blood, take a lot to get lecithin in blood stream.

Exercise will help clean THC like lecithin, burning stored fat and releasing THC into the blood. Exercise up to a week to so many days, then be lazy and eat big for a week or so before the test (may help to starve before also), and the body will store fat and not release it.

With exorcise and lecithin, remember to quit taking lecithin at least 3 days(more? less?) prior to test... Probably when putting clean fat on and not exorcising stop taking lecithin.

Aspirin may work as a drug screen, taking 4 or so aspirins before a drug test could help.
Also eye drops may alter a sample but make it be less bubbley. Some amount of drops, perhaps 2-3?, 40-50ml? worth of eye drop solution.
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Also... A fake piss bladder is 100% fool proof, and you can get dehydrated clean urine online.

von
Jerry Garcia

Joined: 25 Jan 2008
Posts: 351

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:00 am Post subject:

thanks High Man, i needed some info on the same topic. my daughter is going to take a urine test next week. its been 3-weeks no smoke. she smoked/ shared a blunt and is not a daily user. i have the strips ordered to check her before she goes.

peace & pot

High Man
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:09 am Post subject:

PPppft. She'll be fine, especially by now if she hasn't smoked, I'd be 99% sure of it.

socrateez
Stoned Philosopher

Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:27 am Post subject:

Yeah, IF she hasnt smoked in 3 weeks and was an occasional user, she probably is clean. Good idea on the test strips.

Heres my dirty secret: the real ultimate power

I smoked while in the Army. eek

They tested every 30 days, random name pull (usually)
The important aspect here was the timing. If they tested on any day other than Friday, you had at least a three week minimum before the next test. However, if tested on Friday, a test Monday was sure to come! (I wonder if they still do it this way?)
Once clear of the test I would smoke one or two joints within two days and then stop. I never came up dirty. MANY people did this. Just as many didn't as well!
Granted i was young, low body fat, high metabolism, physically active. All factors but generaly three weeks is safety margin enough for most people who use it less than once a month.

Thizzah
Concerned Citizen

Joined: 27 Jun 2008
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:57 am Post subject:

that's all very helpful, but is thereany way to totally flush thc and bbeat a RANDOM test? Or am I just screwed?

socrateez
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject:

As far as i know, there is no way to completely flush the THC out. It stores in fatty cells and is slowly being released and metabolized. It won't leave your system any quicker than your body is capable of metabolizing. Given different methods (a few mentioned by others)of flushing, you can artificially create peaks and valleys in the metabolite levels.
If your not watched, substitution with clean urine.
If your on probation or parole you will usually be watched. If truly random and frequent, stay clean!

dawsonspaw
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject:

ok here is my take,have clean urine on hand,I know several people who keep it all the time. if you are peeing into one of those temperature bottles,pee into it,and let it register your temp,and then dump it out,and add the clean urine.....have known several people at work that the temp on the cup was too cold and they had to stay and drink water until they could piss again cool

socrateez
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject:

dawsonspaw wrote:

Excellent idea to fool the temp strip!
Does the temp strip change after initial temp is registered?

High Man
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject:

Quote:

that's all very helpful, but is thereany way to totally flush thc and bbeat a RANDOM test? Or am I just screwed?

Again the herbal clean Q carbo drink I mentioned is alleged to work. The lady at the store assured me it would, and I know others that have used it with success. She explained that it somehow blocks and flushes the liver of stuff for about 6 hours, and it takes 1-2 hours to take effect. I forget exactly what she said, but again it's been attested to by others. She was asking me about when I'd have a test but I told her I didn't really know, I wanted it in case a job may want to test me. But she told me what to do and said it would work. Do I REALLY believe her? NO. But I bought it and plan to test it and some other methods. Do I know if you can get it online? No, the store I got it from is a town organic foods and products store. But maybe if you search.

Again if you really want to "flush" your body of THC you need to exercise a lot and really burn that fat, and taking lecithin will also help as this puts fat into your blood.

Also in addition using this method when the time comes to stop working out and put on fat, this should work but I donno if you'd want to, but you could starve yourself a little for a day or 2-3 while exercising, this will burn some extra stored fat, and then like I said stop working out/taking lecithin, be lazy, and eat fatty foods to put on clean fat some days before the test. Give yourself perhaps 3 days to store new clean fat and start naturally using it and putting that into your blood.

Starving yourself and then eating again should burn a little bit of excess fat in the starvation period, but then once you start eating again (plus being lazy and not exercising) your body will store more of the fat in the food that you eat, thinking it needs to. This will be "clean" fat that is stored over "dirty" fat in theory.

And above all if you are gonna be tested one should probably stop smoking. But I know that is difficult, a person like me needs to smoke multiple times every day.

My main goal would be a method that gets around drug tests without substitution (ie: you pee your own clean urine into a cup) but that with the method you can smoke up to the test day. Sometime I'll figure something out.
Typically dilution (peeing and drinking fluids to flush your system before the test) appears to be the a reliable method this way, but some people have tried it and failed, but they probably should have tested themselves before the real test and flushed more.

But ideally right now the only and best way people know is to get a bladder with one of those fake dicks, use a heat pack, and substitute with fake urine. And remember to do some wet runs with it before hand to become comfortable using it and not have any spills or accidents, that could be bad cool

littlenut
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Joined: 20 May 2008
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject:

I think what you are asking is that if someone appears at your door and asks you to piss in a cup, can you go into the bathroom, drink something, without them knowing, give a sample and pass. NO ! That is impossible! If that were the case, people would not have to ever stop smoking for a job, accident, probation/parole or many other reasons people are tested.

If I am reading your post wrong, I apologize. Please explain if I am not correct in my assumption of your situation.

LittleNut

shortyflow
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject:

drink water till you piss clear. drink another glass after that then go piss. you can't remove thc just dillute it so much you pee water. most at homes will not be any different. had done it on probation for over three years. I was never once paranoid cause i know it works.

littlenut
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject:

when I had to be drug tested for probation, I did not alter my sample at all due to the fact that I had not smoked for the month I was on probation. When I did my test, they told me it was too clear and looked altered. I argued that if a person is properly hydrated they would pee clear. That didn't buy that "theory" as they called it but could not prove anything so it was not a problem, but they really did question it.

LittleNut

socrateez
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:00 am Post subject:

shortyflow wrote:

Yeah, most places will retest or send to lab if it looks too clear.
You got lucky!
I pissed for two years random every week with a mirror behind the toilet and a man standing beside me.

shortyflow
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:49 am Post subject:

Our cops though remind me of Roscoe P coltrain. They are not the brightest. I guess I was lucky. I had never got questioned. I mena if the test is for your parents or something I don't believe they would think twice.\

I had a hoist fall on me at work awile back and they sent me to the place with the doctor a mirror and two windows in the door. I got fired I did not get away with that one.

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