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unuyh
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Joined: 28 Jul 2008
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yea they common here in cali too going to sd and to indio from the south and on the back roads too, but a good clavo and good curing of the bud and keeping nerves under control at all times is key and yea sadly the amateurs are the ones who fall usually,no guide or nothing just on they own, but they a dime a dozen so....sad. so i heard  |
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LutherLeather
Concerned Citizen
Joined: 04 Sep 2008
Posts: 3
Location: California
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: Road Stops |
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Sad to read all these posts about road stops in various states. I can't help but ask "what's happened to our Constitutional right from unlawful search and seizure"?
My prediction: with advancing technology and continued narrowing of the interpretation by the Supreme Court of the peoples rights to privacy, etc. we are going to find ourselves ever so squeezed as to where we actually have a right against gestapo-like measures by the government.
I think the real crux of the government's argument and justification for check points is that driving is considered a privilege, not a right. Of course, throw in there the added arguments of "no right to privacy in public" and the justification to protect "in the interest of public safety" and, walla, you have a recipe for circumventing the Constitution.
First thing we need to do is "clarify" to the government Nazis who dictate their will upon the people that driving is a right, not a privilege. Then, we need to "restore" and expand upon laws that establish that police do not have the right to just stop you in the street for no apparent reason. Third, the use of dogs, without probable cause, should be viewed as an unreasonable search and seizure. The reason? Because the use of dogs is like going inside your property (car, home, personal space, etc) to search. Pretend, if you will, police had available a handy X-ray machine that allowed thorough viewing inside cars, homes, etc. If they used such a machine to walk up to your home, view inside, then act upon their "probable cause" argument, isn't this akin to invasion of privacy? So, they invade my privacy first in order to then impose a search and seizure. Although dogs are not technology, the use of dogs and, eventually, advance gizmo's will have the same chilling effect on our rights.
But the real answer: legalize marijuana. Then after the government collects trillions in marijuana taxes, build better, more affordable, and a vast public transportation system so everyone is motivated to use it when they go out partying! |
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socrateez
Stoned Philosopher
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
Posts: 1225
Location: I'm the person to your right.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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I think we share similar visions of the future Amerika.
Your spot on with the x-ray technology. This already being actively developed as discussed in another thread.
Remote surveillance planes in N. Cali and S. AZ. under testing or so I have read. The technology is already is near enough to scare the bejeebus out of me. The potential for further rights erosion by legislative backed technology is truly sickening.
The old sci-fi and doomsday movies of yesteryear seem oddly prophetic. |
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dawsonspaw
Pink Floydian slip
Joined: 11 Apr 2007
Posts: 340
Location: Somewhere in the temporal space inside my mind
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I really feel that random drug testing in the work place is a direct disregard of the 4th amendment.let alone the narcotics road blocks.They are both taking people, who are otherwise law abiding citizens,and destroying thier lives  |
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Audio
Antiprohibitionist
Joined: 26 Aug 2008
Posts: 80
Location: Da 'Ville, TX
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| Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it legal for them to search any car during these stops, or do they have to get a dog to alert for them? I know they can stop and ask for the license. Are they just looking for reasonable suspicion at this point? |
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LutherLeather
Concerned Citizen
Joined: 04 Sep 2008
Posts: 3
Location: California
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: Checking cars at road blocks |
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I believe the way the laws/rules work on road blocks is that they 1)randomly select cars to pull over, 2) momentarily talk to you as you pass (of course sticking their face as far in your car as possible), and 3) may ask you for ID or questions.
Now, the joke to this is that these rules are meant to address certain controls on law enforcement's encroachment on our rights. But the fact is that once they "detect" something (dog alert, smells, red eyes, etc) the police can claim probable cause, then make you pull over. The real joke is: do we have a right not to pull over, or drive a different direction, etc? No. So then, we are being "forced" to unreasonable search and seizure. Although the road blocks are suppose to be random, unbiased, non-profiling, etc, these considerations are continuously violated by procedures that law enforcement enacts in order to push the limits up to an obvious unlawful search and seizure. Hell, a cop can stop you because you're driving "too carefully" and then, "based on their years of experience and specialized training"..."have reasonable cause to pull over a vehicle".
The bottom line: 1)the definition of driving as a "privilege" and 2)ever widening interpretation of police rights to over reach in "the public interest" has created the seeds of tyranny. |
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