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Jerry Garcia
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 really i need to know witch one is not true.
1.males dont grow bud.
2.just female plants do.
3.dont prune a male.
did you read 4 post up, i said the same as you, 'hermaphrodite'.
no harm done. 
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High Man
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While males do not grow much smokable bud typically, in a high THC producing(1-2% or more THC) variety of cannabis one can harvest males and use them for their THC content, but the timing is important. In high THC producing cannabis strains, males typically have THC levels on par with females. Also, in high THC producing strains the vegetating tops and leaves of female/male plants can be harvested for their THC content, as cannabis plants start producing THC even during the early stages of life, but cannabinoid content generally varies throughout the life of a plant.
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Back in the 80's I remember locals "shocking" males as they termed it. There were people who I supposed forced males into hermaphrodites.
Is there some factual reason for doing this to plants other than inexperience?
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By the use of chemicals males can be "shocked" to produce flowering female parts. I would assume the reason one would do this is to increase the overall yield of the harvest, using male plants to produce smokable female flowers instead of just picking them. I would also assume that the grower would clip the male parts away and just grow the female parts.
Or perhaps it was a good male and the grower wanted to see what kind of female would be produced.
I could think of a myriad of reasons to want to induce males to flower into females, both for commercial and scientific purposes. Though hermaphrodite plants usually do not yield as much smokable material and they also do not typically possess as much THC as non-hermaphrodites. |
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Joe
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| High Man wrote: | While males do not grow much smokable bud typically, in a high THC producing(1-2% or more THC) variety of cannabis one can harvest males and use them for their THC content, but the timing is important.
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1. Are you stating "A high THC producing variety" is one which produces more than 1-2%?
2. And how would the timing be important? Please give an example. What would the timing depend on?
3. You stated "males do not grow much" bud..
So what would you estimate yield (bud) at for males?
4. Please describe a male bud.
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Also, in high THC producing strains the vegetating tops and leaves of female/male plants can be harvested for their THC content, as cannabis plants start producing THC even during the early stages of life, but cannabinoid content generally varies throughout the life of a plant.
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1. You state "The vegetative tops and leaves can be harvested."
What is a "vegetative top"
2. You state also "even during the early stages of life"
When is the earliest indication of THC production you have witnessed on an early vegetative plant?
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By the use of chemicals males can be "shocked" to produce flowering female parts.
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What kind of chemicals are used to "shock" a male to produce female flowers.
(He made no mention of chemical treatments btw)
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I could think of a myriad of reasons to want to induce males to flower into females, both for commercial and scientific purposes.
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Please state some.
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Though hermaphrodite plants usually do not yield as much smokable material and they also do not typically possess as much THC as non-hermaphrodites. |
1. How much less smokable material do they yield?
2.How much THC doe they typically possess.
I would also be interested in further examples of the above comments,(all of them) and the cases in which you have exercised the above, and techniques you utilized. |
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High Man
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:02 am Post subject: |
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1. Are you stating "A high THC producing variety" is one which produces more than 1-2%?
2. And how would the timing be important? Please give an example. What would the timing depend on?
3. You stated "males do not grow much" bud..
So what would you estimate yield (bud) at for males?
4. Please describe a male bud.
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1. You state "The vegetative tops and leaves can be harvested."
What is a "vegetative top"
2. You state also "even during the early stages of life"
When is the earliest indication of THC production you have witnessed on an early vegetative plant?
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Everything I referenced is found within the pages here:
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/marijuana_chemistry.pdf
It astounded me to learn some of these tidbits too.
Personally to me, no, a "high THC producing strain" would not be 1-2% THC LoL, but for the purposes of science I'd say probably anything over 1% could be considered a high THC producing strain since a ~1% producing strain is enough to get someone high (as referenced in Marijuana Chemistry).
Timing is important because THC and cannabinoid content varies throughout the life of the plant.
The males don't have pistillate flowers like females do, rather staminate flowers that produce pollen. I am unaware of which parts of male plants that are worthwhile for smoking, just that males do produce usable THC. One could smoke the male flowers (pollen sacs) and see . I would imagine one would want to extract the THC and perhaps isomerize the CBD to THC from the whole male plant to obtain usable product though (I've done this and it works!).
The "veging top" would be any part at the top of the growing plant, like the leaves and stem. As referenced in Marijuana Chemistry, even seedlings at 3 weeks can be harvested for their THC content. I can't believe it either, you really can get a buzz off those fan leaves, but again I imagine an extraction is the way to go to obtain the product and effect desired as opposed to smoking large quantities of leaf.
For extractions the best solvent that has been tested is chloroform (but even butter, milk, and the like work).
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What kind of chemicals are used to "shock" a male to produce female flowers.
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I have no idea. I could look it up, but I don't care. I'm sure in this world anything is possible
I also probably wouldn't want to smoke anything from such a treated plant, who knows what those chemicals do!
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Please state some.
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You really can't see the benefits of being able to turn males into females?
The commercial equation of turning unwanted male plants into female plants doesn't ring extra profits in your mind?
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1. How much less smokable material do they yield?
2.How much THC doe they typically possess.
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Less than what the average would be from non-hermaphrodite plants. If you are looking for an expanded explanation or quantitative data I suggest researching journal articles or books. Personally I could imagine that both yield and cannabinoid content is affected negatively due to the plant expending energy toward the production of flowers of the opposite sex rather than toward cannabinoid production or other functions. I've seen this in the same strain where hermaphrodite plants have smaller, "stringier" flowers and a less intense and potent high than non hermaphrodite plants, which were fucking incredible |
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socrateez
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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So the process of forcing a plant to change sex can result in usable THC but is the extra work worth the effort? Is there any real additional effort involved?
If I were growing SCROG, I think I would want all females if the outcome is better.
Say I'm a broke ass redneck who dumps seeds in a pot and throws a light on them. They grow with some males sprouting too. Does my dumb greedy ass cause the males to hermaphrodite? Does this save any expense or increase profit potential? Or, does one tear em out and stick with the ladies? I assume yield should be greater with all ladies than with a mix of hermaphrodites as well.
I ask these question because most people care less about the scientific intricacies around Marijuana cultivation. Profit and getting high are the main motivators for information here.
I however am infinitely intrigued by the esoteric information I find here. |
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Joe
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: |
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All questions were asked for a purpose. Answers were what I assumed would be.
No reason to go through your statements as before. |
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Joe
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| socrateez wrote: | So the process of forcing a plant to change sex can result in usable THC but is the extra work worth the effort? Is there any real additional effort involved?
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No.....No....No...(for everything....)
The only beneficial use would be reversal of females to create female seed.
Many strains also have hermie tendencies, so.....doing such can create instability in general..(in the line, and future stock)...some are more prone then others...
There are many ways to do this....as above, not only "chemical" of which some are chemicals,(CS,STS,GA,etc) and some are not, and some are external due to manipulating light cycles, prolonging flowering and such...(There are 100 ways to stress.....)
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If I were growing SCROG, I think I would want all females if the outcome is better.
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In any method, of course, your target is only females....unless producing stock, males are worthless......(some will tout valuable for extraction, but, anyone who has ever done it knows extraction worthless on males....from yield, to quality, and on.....)
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Say I'm a broke ass redneck who dumps seeds in a pot and throws a light on them. They grow with some males sprouting too. Does my dumb greedy ass cause the males to hermaphrodite?
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No.....growing in itself would not create hermies..(unless strain is already hermie prone, which is the case with a lot of bagseed, and why one is always better off procuring their stock/quality genetics (stability, etc)....
If you would mess with their light cycle (indoors) then the chance of creating hermies, but, as above, virtually worthless......
Also 
Anyone who has every grown, even one run, knows what kind of yield they would be looking at from early, hermies, males, etc......Theory is nice.
Practice is better........
People tend to underestimate the knowledge and experience they gain from even a single run.....as certainly a lack of researchers.....
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Does this save any expense or increase profit potential? Or, does one tear em out and stick with the ladies? I assume yield should be greater with all ladies than with a mix of hermaphrodites as well.
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Unless researching hermies,there is no value. Unless researching males or breeding, males hold no value. (Actually, they are not only far from beneficial, but cost you money........in wasted space, time, etc....)
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I ask these question because most people care less about the scientific intricacies around Marijuana cultivation. |
Most actually do.......and are well versed........it's a natural progression......
Breakdown:
Females:production (and not cut at 3 weeks veg either for THC;)
Males:breeding/creating stock.
Hermies: (Female hermies) could be saved for extraction, but, most toss right out as anything extracted from early veg not worth the time.
Lot of cases, they hermie in late flower.....and it's a judgment call....some pull them, some do not, but, chance of the rest being hit.
Hermie=instability in line... |
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