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Mr.C
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 Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: Common Interrogation Techniques |
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Modern interrogation is a study in human nature. Most of us are more likely to talk to people who appear to be like us. Once we start talking, it's hard for us to stop. Once we start telling the truth, it's harder to start lying. When a police officer tells us our fingerprints were found on the inside doorknob of a home that was robbed two days ago, we get nervous, even if we wore gloves the whole time we were inside.
With a few exceptions, the police are allowed to lie to a suspect to get him to confess. The belief is that an innocent person would never confess to a crime she didn't commit, even if she were confronted with false physical evidence of her involvement. Unfortunately, that's not always the case (more on false confessions in the next section), but it's a big part of the reason why the police are allowed to employ deceptive tactics in interrogation.
The psychological manipulation begins before the interrogator even opens his mouth. The physical layout of an interrogation room is designed to maximize a suspect's discomfort and sense of powerlessness from the moment he steps inside. The classic interrogation manual "Criminal Interrogation and Confessions" recommends a small, soundproof room with only three chairs (two for detectives, one for the suspect) and a desk, with nothing on the walls. This creates a sense of exposure, unfamiliarity and isolation, heightening the suspect's "get me out of here" sensation throughout the interrogation.
The manual also suggests that the suspect should be seated in an uncomfortable chair, out of reach of any controls like light switches or thermostats, furthering his discomfort and setting up a feeling of dependence. A one-way mirror is an ideal addition to the room, because it increases the suspect's anxiety and allows other detectives to watch the process and help the interrogator figure out which techniques are working and which aren't.
Before the nine steps of the Reid interrogation begin, there's an initial interview to determine guilt or innocence. During this time, the interrogator attempts to develop a rapport with the suspect, using casual conversation to create a non-threatening atmosphere. People tend to like and trust people who are like them, so the detective may claim to share some of the suspect's interests or beliefs. If the suspect starts talking to the interrogator about harmless things, it becomes harder to stop talking (or start lying) later when the discussion turns to the crime.
During this initial conversation, the detective observes the suspect's reactions -- both verbal and non-verbal -- to establish a baseline reaction before the real stress begins. The detective will use this baseline later as a comparison point.
One method of creating a baseline involves asking questions that cause the suspect to access different parts of his brain. The detective asks non-threatening questions that require memory (simple recall) and questions that require thinking (creativity). When the suspect is remembering something, his eyes will often move to the right. This is just an outward manifestation of his brain activating the memory center. When he's thinking about something, his eyes might move upward or to the left, reflecting activation of the cognitive center. The detective makes a mental note of the suspect's eye activity.
The next step is to turn the questioning to the task at hand. The detective will ask basic questions about the crime and compare the suspect's reactions to the baseline to determine if the suspect is being truthful or deceptive. If the interrogator asks the suspect where he was the night of the crime and he answers truthfully, he'll be remembering, so his eyes may move to the right; if he's making up an alibi, he's thinking, so his eyes might move to the left. If the interrogator determines that the suspect's reactions indicate deception, and all other evidence points to guilt, the interrogation of a guilty suspect begins.
The Reid technique is the basis of the widely used "Criminal Interrogation and Confessions" manual we already mentioned. It lays out nine steps or issues guiding interrogation. Many of these steps overlap, and there is no such thing as a "typical" interrogation; but the Reid technique provides a blueprint of how a successful interrogation might unfold.
Confrontation
The detective presents the facts of the case and informs the suspect of the evidence against him. This evidence might be real, or it might be made up. The detective typically states in a confident manner that the suspect is involved in the crime. The suspect's stress level starts increasing, and the interrogator may move around the room and invade the suspect's personal space to increase the discomfort.
If the suspect starts fidgeting, licking his lips and or grooming himself (running his hand through his hair, for instance), the detective takes these as indicators of deception and knows he's on the right track.
Theme development
The interrogator creates a story about why the suspect committed the crime. Theme development is about looking through the eyes of the suspect to figure out why he did it, why he'd like to think he did it and what type of excuse might make him admit he did it. Does the suspect use any particular mode of reasoning more often than others? For example, does he seem willing to blame the victim? The detective lays out a theme, a story, that the suspect can latch on to in order to either excuse or justify his part in the crime, and the detective then observes the suspect to see if he likes the theme. Is he paying closer attention than before? Nodding his head? If so, the detective will continue to develop that theme; if not, he'll pick a new theme and start over. Theme development is in the background throughout the interrogation. When developing themes, the interrogator speaks in a soft, soothing voice to appear non-threatening and to lull the suspect into a false sense of security.
Stopping denials
Letting the suspect deny his guilt will increase his confidence, so the detective tries to interrupt all denials, sometimes telling the suspect it'll be his turn to talk in a moment, but right now, he needs to listen. From the start of the interrogation, the detective watches for denials and stops the suspect before he can voice them. In addition to keeping the suspect's confidence low, stopping denials also helps quiet the suspect so he doesn't have a chance to ask for a lawyer. If there are no denials during theme development, the detective takes this as a positive indicator of guilt. If initial attempts at denial slow down or stop during theme development, the interrogator knows he has found a good theme and that the suspect is getting closer to confessing.
Overcoming objections
Once the interrogator has fully developed a theme that the suspect can relate to, the suspect may offer logic-based objections as opposed to simple denials, like "I could never rape somebody -- my sister was raped and I saw how much pain it caused. I would never do that to someone." The detective handles these differently than he does denials, because these objections can give him information to turn around and use against the suspect. The interrogator might say something like, "See, that's good, you're telling me you would never plan this, that it was out of your control. You care about women like your sister -- it was just a one-time mistake, not a recurring thing." If the detective does his job right, an objection ends up looking more like an admission of guilt.
Getting the suspect's attention
At this point, the suspect should be frustrated and unsure of himself. He may be looking for someone to help him escape the situation. The interrogator tries to capitalize on that insecurity by pretending to be the suspect's ally. He'll try to appear even more sincere in his continued theme development, and he may get physically closer to the suspect to make it harder for the suspect to detach from the situation. The interrogator may offer physical gestures of camaraderie and concern, such as touching the suspect's shoulder or patting his back.
The suspect loses resolve
If the suspect's body language indicates surrender -- his head in his hands, his elbows on his knees, his shoulders hunched -- the interrogator seizes the opportunity to start leading the suspect into confession. He'll start transitioning from theme development to motive alternatives (see the next step) that force the suspect to choose a reason why he committed the crime. At this stage, the interrogator makes every effort to establish eye contact with the suspect to increase the suspect's stress level and desire to escape. If, at this point, the suspect cries, the detective takes this as a positive indicator of guilt.
Alternatives
The interrogator offers two contrasting motives for some aspect of the crime, sometimes beginning with a minor aspect so it's less threatening to the suspect. One alternative is socially acceptable ("It was a crime of passion"), and the other is morally repugnant ("You killed her for the money"). The detective builds up the contrast between the two alternatives until the suspect gives an indicator of choosing one, like a nod of the head or increased signs of surrender. Then, the detective speeds things up.
Bringing the suspect into the conversation
Once the suspect chooses an alternative, the confession has begun. The interrogator encourages the suspect to talk about the crime and arranges for at least two people to witness the confession. One may be the second detective in room, and another may be brought in for the purpose of forcing the suspect to confess to a new detective -- having to confess to a new person increases the suspect's stress level and his desire to just sign a statement and get out of there. Bringing a new person into the room also forces the suspect to reassert his socially acceptable reason for the crime, reinforcing the idea that the confession is a done deal.
The confession
The final stage of an interrogation is all about getting the confession admitted at trial. The interrogator will have the suspect write out his confession or state it on videotape. The suspect is usually willing to do anything at this point to escape the interrogation. The suspect confirms that his confession is voluntary, not coerced, and signs the statement in front of witnesses.
It should be noted here that if, at any point during the interrogation, the suspect does somehow manage to ask for a lawyer or invoke his right to silence, the interrogation has to stop immediately. That's why it's so important to interrupt the suspect's attempts to speak in the initial stages -- if he invokes his rights, the interrogation is over.
The steps we've laid out here represent some of the psychological techniques that detectives use to get confessions from suspects. But a real interrogation doesn't always follow the textbook. Next, let's take a look at an actual police interrogation that ended with an admissible confession.
http://people.howstuffworks.com/police-interrogation1.htm
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POLICE INTERROGATION
This is a briefing on how to handle yourself while you are being interrogated by the police, what to watch out for and how not to incriminate yourself. Please read it carefully as your freedom, and that of others, may depend on what you say.
ALWAYS DO NO COMMENT OR SILENT INTERVIEWS WHILE IN POLICE CUSTODY
Confessions (statements) are made because they are an easy way out of a tense and uncomfortable situation. The police rely heavily on confessions as without them they would find it impossible to operate. However, they are trained in the art of extracting information from people and use a variety of techniques, not always obvious, to do this. It is up to you to keep your head and not give anything away. The best way to do this is by doing no comment or silent inteveriews. Time and time again it has proven to be the easiest and most successful way of not incrimianting yourself or others. In the animal rights movement it is expected that this is the course you will take.
Below are detailed some of the techniques they will use against you. By being aware of them, you will find it much easier to avoid falling for their tricks. Yes, it is a stressful situation, but numerous activists have got through it without any problems by following the simple guideline of not talking. Even though what you might have said does not lead to a conviction, it may give them vital leads for them to go on, whether for your own situation or others. You dont know the picture they are working from, so do not give them help in anyway to fill it out.
Always make sure you have a proper solicitor with you in an interview, who is going to back you up. Do not use the duty solicitor, and brief your solicitor beforehand that you intend to do a no comment interview. Ask them to make a statement to this effect at the beginning of the interview. If they advise otherwise, be insistant.
Remember, the police to do not want to help you ever! Everything they have to say to you is for one reason only: to secure a conviction.
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Credibility
The Police will attempt to put over an impression of having greater knowledge of your activities than is true; do not be fooled by this as they are looking for confirmation of their suspicions. Advantages and disadvantages of denial may be discussed, especially in the nature of, "You are going to be locked up, but...". Credibility will be increased by other officers agreeing with the officer's judgements.
Beware of statements being put to you with which you are expected to agree, e.g. "You do understand, don't you?" This will get you into a "yes mode". The interviewer wants you to say "yes" in answer to questions, in order to put you in a frame of mind where you will be less likely to lie and find it harder to stop answering your questions. If you do attempt to change out of a yes mode, then they will leap on it with increased pressure.
You may instead be subject to non threatening questions, apparently offering you comfort, this time to put you into a passive, responsive frame of mind. You may be placed under additional pressure by being isolated in your cell, and then be re-interviewed. This is to break down your resistance and may be repeated several times. Simply remember what their objective is, and do not be fooled by them.
What happens if you speak...
The interrogator will be sharp and pick up on things you might not have realized you had said. A classic pitfall of saying anything to the police is making excessive statements of truth e.g., "I swear on my mother's grave", or "There's no way I could have possibly done that". These indicate that you are lying, as do challenges by you, e.g. "If you think I've done it, then charge me and we'll sort it out in court". Bargaining ploys are another give away, e.g. "If I admit it, can I have bail?"
Saying "No Comment" likewise, may be construed to be an admission of something to hide. "I wish to maintain my right to silence" is better though this in turn will show police that you are at least 'suss', causing them to ease off, though they will not stop the interview because of it.
More pitfalls
You will be desperate to obtain information regarding your immediate future and that of others, and this is only natural. However, a weakness such as this can be exploited by the police, allowing them to prey on your insecurity. For instance, "If I had a friend who had burnt down a building, what do you think would happen to them?" This is a pretty gross example, but it is such an easy trap to fall into - why provide them a lever? Again, keeping silent avoids this situation.
Status
The interrogators' (police's) effectiveness is gently helped by their status. Look out for obvious signs such as apparent respect being given by colleagues, by appearing to be able to make things happen (like offering you a cup of tea), or by being described as "fair", "tough", "determined" etc. Watch for plain clothes officers replacing uniformed ones - the impression will be formed that the former are more important and perhaps less intimidating.
Keep in mind that the police will lie
The police will attempt to reduce the apparent advantages of denial. Denial is portrayed as pointless in the weight of evidence they suggest they have against you, e.g. "Your mate has made a full statement and dropped you right in it, so you might as well come clean". Hints may be dropped that there are witnesses, or that the police have evidence that can not be revealed yet, etc. None of this may be true at all, and since you do not know what the true situation is, stick to your guns and keep quiet.,/p>
Morale
You may experience an attempt at demoralization, e.g., "You're a very inept liar". Of course, if you say nothing they cannot use this ploy. You may also be warned that denial will have its penalties e.g., "By denying it and pleading not guilty you are turning a small case into a big one." This is also true of 'special warnings', where they emphasis the dangers of not answering particular questions when you do come before court. Don't given into it, and if necessary get your solicitor to back you up.
It may also be pointed out to you that confession will have its advantages, "Once you've got it off your chest you'll feel a whole lot better" - i.e. confession is good for you!!! The temptation to think that once you've made an admission everything will be over and done with is very strong. They may intimate that the consequences of confession may not be as bad as you imagine, "The law says that the courts have to have a very good reason to send a first time offender to prison and in your case there is no such reason." You may also be told that you are not a criminal but that you're just misguided! Simply ignore that sort of insult.
Furniture and spatical psychology
When in the interview room notice their use of furniture. The power of persuasion is greater when the interviewer removes the barrier of the desk that creates a division of "their" space and "your" space. It is common for interviewers to touch the suspect in a gesture of support and friendship. If the interviewer is on the opposite side of the table, such a gesture is limited. You best defence is to show no emotion.
The whole atmosphere inside a police station is geared towards creating an environment of stress so as to break down the suspects morale. It is easy to accept the hand of friendship in such a situation: don't!
You, as the suspect, will have your back to the door. This is done to make you feel apprehensive each time someone comes into the room. In addition, the seat for the solicitor will be out of your eye line. The interviewer will often fall silent, putting pressure on you to fill in these "pregnant pauses" - again don't.
Expressions of approval
Keep an eye on expressions of approval, both verbal and non verbal. Verbal: "That's good", "Yes, go on" and "I like that approach".... ad nauseam. Non verbal: smiling, nodding, looking at a fellow interviewer as if to say "they are right you know." These are all indications of the frame of mind of the interviewer. You may be offered compliments e.g. "You're no fool", etc. Non verbal compliments such as a little shake of the head as if to say "I admire you for saying that". The principle behind all this is to make the suspect feel good and to encourage further dialogue.
If you have experienced any of them in the past and been taken in by them then you will now see why it is vitally important to remain silent and not give them the opportunity to play games with you.
Hard man/Soft man
The interrogator(s) will alternatively offer support and aggression; either one officer playing both roles or two officers adopting one each. This is intended to break down the suspect. If the suspect is nervous, the friendly approach will be adopted, fostering a feeling of co-operative effort to 'help' the suspect out of their fix. If the suspect is confident, they will subject them to the 'masterful' approach, so that their confidence is exchanged for mild apprehension. These two approaches will be exchanged intermittently if the suspect fails to respond.
If there are two interviewers, one may be the dominant interviewer and the other a "note taker". The note taker does not take part in the questioning, but watches the reaction of the subject and supports the line of the number one interviewer.
Always request a solicitor. The interviewer may pretend they are doing you a favour by offering you such a gift; he is not - it is one of your basic rights. However, do not accept a duty solicitor as they are often dependant on the police for referrals and cannot therefore be relied upon to act in your best interest. your solicitor will offer moral support, and reduce the risks of a fabricated statement being made by the police. Maintain your right of silence even in the presence of your solicitor, whose main task is to get you away from the police station either uncharged or on police bail. You will have plenty of time to put your side of the story to the court, if and when it gets that far. You are not anwserable to the police, so do not help them to convict you.
If you hear that the police are looking for you in connection with a particular offence, here is a valuable tactic is to go to your solicitor and make a sworn statement that your are not going to make a statement to the police. Get it signed and witnessed by your solicitor and go with them to the police station. This apart from giving you an immense psychological advantage over your interrogator will also make it virtually impossible to invent a statement from you.
Prepare a psychological barrier between you and them
This can take many forms, but the main ones are hatred and distrust. These two frames of mind will make you far less susceptible to their methods of persuasion and coercion.Ñ Another one is to spot the stereotypic statements they come out with, and to observe how they use the various tactics described here. Or simply to pick a point on the wall, imagine "no comment" or some other appropriate slogan is written there, and stare at it fixedly for the entire interview. Remember what they are protecting; remember that they are there to prevent you from achieving your goal - what possible reason could you have to trust them?
Conclusion
These points are taken from a book written by an interrogator for interrogators. In spite of constant reminding of activists to "stay silent" many suspects fall into the same predictable traps. Our aim has been to show that the ploys used by the police are predetermined and well practised; that you are not the exception to the rule; but most of all with knowledge of the interrogator's games comes a massive psychological advantage to help you through your time in police custody.
We hope that we have shown you that keeping silent is your best defence.
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Mr.C
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this thread i just posted incase you found yourself in that situation you can learn about what to expect.
Barrys trying to keep you out of this situation..but who know what the future holds. i know someone who has been in this situation, i know this person like the back of my hand,,very well.
another tactic to rattle you at the end of an interview if they didnt get much out of you is to ask if you will submit to a polygraph,,i am not educated enough to answer that question could be one answer,,and they ask even knowing they cant use it in court but they play off the premise that,,well you want to help us right?
the 2nd part of the information above is referring to animal rights i suppose but it could easily be substituted with what we are dealing with so i included it.
see you may not let investigators in your house,,but they will come to your work if they need to they will get you when you go to the store you cant always avoid them if they want to talk to you for some reason. they will POLITELY request you come to the station and visit with them..they cant make you however unless they are in a position to arrest you. in which case you will find yourself in this situation above. being interrogated.
they may not have enough to arrest you but that doesnt deter them if you ever become a person of interest for anything.
just some tips i hope you find usefull
suggestion,, never look up or down left or right when interviewing,,when your thinking stare at thier lips,,when you answer pick an eyeball and look through it.
human behaviour has always been a small interest of mine. never tap your feet keep them planted and still,,hands go on the table or in your lap fingertips touching never clenched never fidgit. never touch your head. think of how poker players are. never cross your arms. dont even cross your legs under your chair.
ofcourse i hope you never find yourself in this position.
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dawsonspaw
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Fantastic post,very informative,kept me glued for a WHILE.........Thanks for the info  |
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socrateez
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Excellent.  Got my vote for Sticky material Mr.C!
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Expressions of approval
Keep an eye on expressions of approval, both verbal and non verbal. Verbal: "That's good", "Yes, go on" and "I like that approach".... ad nauseam. Non verbal: smiling, nodding, looking at a fellow interviewer as if to say "they are right you know." These are all indications of the frame of mind of the interviewer. |
I was interrogated by ATF who seemed to think I was F-ing Arms Dealer based on a Snitch trying to drag anyone's ass he knew through the ringer to save his own skin. He made everyone he knew out to be king-pins. I still dont know how this person was wrapped up with the ATF.
Fact was, I was a felon and I sold a sawed-off shotgun to an agent. I'm not making excuses for that either. Ive more than payed that debt.
Anyway, they tried to recruit me to snitch on whoever it was they were convinced I was "working for". The quoted reference is perfect here. I spun quite a yarn when I realized I was nothing but bait to them in the hopes of catching something to mount.
They let me go and I ran.  Didn't catch me for some time. I was quite satisfied with myself that day in court when I smiled at that Agent cause he'd believed his own bullshit so much that he believed the crap I fed him too. He was quite red when it stated in my PSI that their attempts to utilize me were "unsuccessful". Ha!
They reacted just as stated. It was easy to lead them into false conclusions as they thought they were on the right track even before the interrogation began. I had the advantage of knowing that they didn't know anything other than they caught me with a gun.  |
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| Amazing post! .. fuckin' Amazing.. and that is crazy story socarateez i respect your heart..for not flipping on someone and turing a goverment witness |
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socrateez
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| Fresh wrote: | | Amazing post! .. fuckin' Amazing.. and that is crazy story socarateez i respect your heart..for not flipping on someone and turing a goverment witness |
There was none to snitch on! I knew I was fucked. I knew I was fucked if I did like the guy that set me up and manufactured shit about every acquaintance I knew! I had nothing to gain by turning informant and nothing to lose by my subterfuge to the Agent.
I can't say had there been, or circumstances been different that I wouldnt have turned Informant. I saw many many people turn Rat on FAMILY in an attempt to shave a few months or years off a threatened sentence. I know the possibility is there in everyone. To threaten someone with the rest of their life or the lives of loved ones is a very coercive tool.
In the eyes of Investigators, everyone is a snitch, they just have to find the right "motivation" for the person so that they are OK with it.
I did however meet people who gloated over the status the Government gave them while despised by the rest. They were like Capos in the Death Camps.
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In retrospect, I wish I had just said, take me away. In the end, the result would have been the same.
If your wondering, a felon in simple possession of a illegally modified firearm net me 33 months in Federal prison follwed by another "sentence"(more on that later)of 3 years of supervision. That is also classified as a violent crime. I hurt the public at large more than myself I guess.
OK I'm off on a Rant now, more for another post... |
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| well thats the difference between me and everyone else.. its not in me to tell on anybody.. the police around my way whooped my ass a couple of times.. and even in court when the judge turned asked what the fuck happened to me ..I didn't speak on the 4 officers that hit me up with the flash lights.. because even though i hate them .. and i truly believe this hate runs far more deep than the hate an average person has for police.. telling on somebody is just not an honorable thing to do in my mind and theres nothing on this earth that i fear more than God so i have no reason to lie in the face of any man nor tell on someone and ruin their lives in place of my own.. thats a low down rat bastard mother fucker who does that.. some real coward bitch shit |
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| Fresh wrote: | | well thats the difference between me and everyone else.. its not in me to tell on anybody.. the police around my way whooped my ass a couple of times.. and even in court when the judge turned asked what the fuck happened to me ..I didn't speak on the 4 officers that hit me up with the flash lights.. because even though i hate them .. and i truly believe this hate runs far more deep than the hate an average person has for police.. telling on somebody is just not an honorable thing to do in my mind and theres nothing on this earth that i fear more than God so i have no reason to lie in the face of any man nor tell on someone and ruin their lives in place of my own.. thats a low down rat bastard mother fucker who does that.. some real coward bitch shit |
I agree. The reality is this however:
| Quote: | | In 1980, 24% of warrants issued relied only on a confidential informant, compared to 71% in 1993. Confidential informants were used in some way in almost all warrants in 1993 (92%), whereas they had been used less than half of the time in 1980 (46%). |
From:http://ndsn.org/may95/informnt.html
Information to compel the court to reveal C.I.s:http://www.ncids.org/Defender%20Training/Motions%20Practice%20Seminar/Bryson%20MS.pdf
NOONE knows what they will do until faced with such a life threatening situation. |
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in my mind i believe its a decision you make a long time before any of this happens.. id rather die a man than live as a coward.. how could anyone live in freedom knowing they destroyed someone elses life to save their own.. where is the loyalty at? .. in america people are just spoiled and ungratefully greedy .. if you believe everyone will fold sometime or another .. just think about the code of honor in japan .. men who disgrace their selves or bring shame or dishonor towards their family.. commit suicide to preserve some of that honor and other values that of which they lost
it all comes down to how you think and what you live by i'm just cut from a different cloth .. i think twice before i do anything.. theres always situations were its easy to lie your way out.. but i stopped lying when i was 7 course everyone lies.. but to me its weather or not you tell the truth after the lie has been said which makes you a honest individual ..
because in my mind you only lie when your afraid of the consequences the truth will bring .. alot of people wont admit that .. but that why they lie because of fear .. but see at the same time its your choice to answer the question
same thing with choosing to flip on someone its all out of fear.. and fear is all in your mind.. thats life sometimes you need to face the ugly you know just do what you got to do ..as long as you remain honorable |
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| Excellent observations,to me there is only 1 thing worse than being a rat,and that is a pedophile. |
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socrateez
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| Fresh wrote: | in my mind i believe its a decision you make a long time before any of this happens.. id rather die a man than live as a coward.. how could anyone live in freedom knowing they destroyed someone elses life to save their own..
where is the loyalty at? .. in america people are just spoiled and ungratefully greedy .. if you believe everyone will fold sometime or another .. just think about the code of honor in japan .. men who disgrace their selves or bring shame or dishonor towards their family.. commit suicide to preserve some of that honor and other values that of which they lost
it all comes down to how you think and what you live by i'm just cut from a different cloth .. i think twice before i do anything.. theres always situations were its easy to lie your way out.. but i stopped lying when i was 7 course everyone lies.. but to me its weather or not you tell the truth after the lie has been said which makes you a honest individual ..
because in my mind you only lie when your afraid of the consequences the truth will bring .. alot of people wont admit that .. but that why they lie because of fear .. but see at the same time its your choice to answer the question
same thing with choosing to flip on someone its all out of fear.. and fear is all in your mind.. thats life sometimes you need to face the ugly you know just do what you got to do ..as long as you remain honorable |
That ran in my head while being interrogated, the thought to "flip" if it would have benefited me. I had no reason not to. I dismissed it for the same reasons you cite. I lied to them and played the part they cued for me. It was a bitter lie to tell, to play a "snitch" because my future was uncertain. I wanted a bit more freedom before facing the end they offered. I was threatened with 15 years to Life by Agents of the ATF mind you. Think about that.
I really had no person near me that I could claim unfailing loyalty to compared to the rest of my Life in Prison. I had been there before, it had no mystery. There is fear there.
I ran and lived as if I were a terminal patient.
I had made a mistake tragic enough to cost me at least the best portion of my Life if not all of it. If this was to be my end, i was willing to meet it alone. Even if it meant by my own choosing if possible. I always have.
I didnt choose not to turn informant. I really couldnt do it. I chose to act the part of informant.
They had surveillance, they knew where I was initially. but eventually there came a time where i was supposed to set up "My Boss" -dumb fucks. I was able to stall about a week from the point of interrogation till I had to set this up to their satisfaction. I had a week, it wasnt hard to fool them, they didnt know shit. They gave me a recording device, i recorded myself taking a shit i think, then gave it back.
The dickwad took it like crack and told me to wait for them to call for further instructions. That was the last time they saw me!
It took I think two months for them to figure out I moved a total of two blocks from my original location! They never saw it happen! They werent able to get me even then!(That is a interesting story in itself)
I felt and still feel a little shitty for even agreeing to inform, even framed as a lie. Not one person I knew or now know went to prison because of me. There were a few in fact who knowingly took great personal risk for me. I would forfeit my life instead of offering them as sacrifice for my gain.
Nobody in the Federal system talks about this. Most have at least been coerced into making statements against others and the "snitch guilt" of ordinary people is a screaming silence in Federal Prisons. P.S.I.'s are guarded like stolen gold or exposed like a corrupt politician. Anything to direct the least guilt away from what the machine has made men into.
They found i was not ordinary. |
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von
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wow you went through some sh!t socrateez, you are still the 'MAN' my friend. 
peace &  'you still did not find your lighter!!!' LOL |
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Vern
Jerry Garcia
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Location: Oklahoma
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| I had a friend that got busted for coke, the cops offered to let him go if he made a buy for them. He went in, bought it, then snorted all of it before coming out. The cops kick his ass on the elevator ride at the jail. |
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Lushh
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| Vern wrote: | | I had a friend that got busted for coke, the cops offered to let him go if he made a buy for them. He went in, bought it, then snorted all of it before coming out. The cops kick his ass on the elevator ride at the jail. |
hahahahahaha, I swear that is some of the funniest shit I've ever heard. |
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unuyh
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yea ratting, no, you should know what you getting into and if you still got the balls to do it then do it and ready to take the consequences if you get caught, and if you do get caught dont start crying and saying names and stuff, keep your mouth shut
now with the cops beating you, ill rat a cop out for beating me chances are hell get locked up, and the homies will have a field day with him, you know what im saying, aint nothing worse than being a cop and getting locked up he aint going to sit right for the longest |
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