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Mr.C
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 Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: Tell me why Marijuana SHOULD be ILLEGAL! |
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Indulge me. Give me ANY REASON. I dont care why but would rather have some meaningfull reasons.
WHY SHOULD MARIJUANA STAY ILLEGAL?
and no i havent totally lost my mind,,i just couldnt think of any legitimate reason that couldnt easily be fixed by having congress do the right thing and listen to the people..i think our forefathers would be very disgusted with what our GOVT has become really. |
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Brute4291
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Thats an easy one.......
If pot were a legal intoxicant not as many people would die from tobacco and alcohol, which would cause over crowding. Think about china and japan. |
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dawsonspaw
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Good answer  |
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socrateez
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No. ILLEGAL.
It should stay illegal as all you dopers and reeferheads are funding terrorists!!!
Its pure evil in plant form.
Druggies are quitters and are weak minded followers.
It will make you crazy!!!
It will make you want to have unnatural "relations"!!!
It will make you lie, cheat and steal to get it!
You drug using scum!
It has been proven to shrivel your sack and retard your children for gawds sake!!!
JUST SAY NO!!!
D.A.R.E Need I say more?
Now those are slogans I can fall in line with!
Conspiracy nuts and drug addicts-one and the same.
It should stay illegal so you drug pushin, school yard peddlin, junkies will quit trying to sell Marijawanna to my 7 yr old!!!
Notice only poor ass trash use dope? People with jobs and mortgages and families don't use drugs, punk!
Weak ass shit. Your damn right there's a vein in my forehead poppin real hard. And I'm flexin too. Our good ole U Esss of Aaaay says its bad and thats good enough for me you commie bastards.
 
Thats my best "Devils Advocate". At least thats what the argument sounds like to me. |
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dawsonspaw
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| you sound like you are Anslinger testifying before congress |
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socrateez
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Yeah, I was kind of going for him.  |
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progrocker
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Anslinger vs marijuana.
court: ok mr. Anslinger would you like to solve the puzzle.
You have the current letters N,*,g,g,e,r,s
Anslinger: I'd like to solve the puzzle.
Anslinger-"(Insert N word here)"!!!
Court- seems viable. Ok you win.
lol, at least that's how I picture it going down. |
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von
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: POT ILLEGAL |
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O' man just think what kinda world it could be if 'REEFER MADNESS' the movie. WAS REAL about pot. we all know the US gov. paid for the production. well i would have killed my brother with a golf club and laughed and laughed. we all know thats not what marijuana is about. we are smart enough to know reality from fiction.
peace, von |
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Mr.C
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thank you socrateez ,,that was an excellent job of what i was hoping to see,,,you provided MANY examples of what some people use,,and as i sit and read those examples i honestly try to make sense out of them,,i really do..but my mind has a hard time making sense out of it.
Ultimately I really dont think one can honestly find ANY reason that justifies keeping marijuana illegal.
i personally cant come up with one. i especially like the "marijuana destroys families" issue,,if marijuana was legalized there would be no reason for it to destroy families assuming people split apart because one side is afraid of being arrested,,and that a stretch,,alcohol destroys families and i would venture to say destroys more families than marijuana ever could,,alcohol breeds more family violence than weed ever could.
brings me back to those commercials discussed a while back,,,what do you do when you cant justify keeping marijuana illegal? you put a talking dog on TV and Villify the herb.
Sickening! |
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High Man
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Well I'll try and make some logical arguments for illegality...
If cannabis were suddenly legalized there would probably be a "honeymoon" period where many people choose to go hog wild, which will probably create more problems that did not exist when it was illegal.
Longterm problems may persist but that would be something to be seen only with time if it happened. I would say education is tantamount to curbing all problems that may ensue.
Overall use of cannabis would increase. This could be argued as a good or bad thing. I am undecided on the issue.
Not everyone (Ppppft most people lol) cannot or have a difficult time handling their drugs and drug use and titrating a good dosage of drug(s) for themselves. And when I say drug, I imply anything from caffine and sugar to heroin.
Knowing this fact I would say that legalized cannabis use could result in people having access a drug that they really probably shouldn't have access to and have no idea how to use responsibily. But in the same light these same people probably shouldn't be allowed access to alcohol or other narcotics either (this tells me the whole system is fucked, and a great lack of education and lack of focus on responsible use is maintained instead).
I only say all this because of the countless times I have seen people go to bars/clubs or wherever, get really fucked up, and then go driving, and I see the effect it has on the road and I can see it is dangerous to me. So now we'll have those same people drinking, smoking, and then driving. I just think its a bad idea, just as much as drinking and driving.
Teenage (and perhaps younger) use and access to cannabis will increase.
I also think that traffic incidents involving cannabis and other drugs (now more so in conjunction with alcohol, ie. people go to bars or what not drink and smoke and then drive home) will increase even with laws in place against driving while under the influence.
Now remember I love cannabis (and other drugs). I LOVE it. And I want it to be free. I perfer all drugs to be free and legal.
But the majority of people are irresponsible, and you should never turn your back on a drug, especially when its waving a razor sharp hunting knife in your eye (or rather a giant metal death machine) 
I worry about cannabis becomming too mainstream. It already is in a way, and yeah, I want to be able to freely walk down the street and smoke a joint, but I realize there are still costs to that where it an actuality. I would rather people come to psychadelics on their own.
It may be argued differently but I do think that cannabis is addictive like most any drug (even sugar) and without education and some kind of control people are going to use it irresponsibily, especially with the way media can push things on people. The news runs an article on salvia or DMT toads and suddenly salvia use skyrockets and reptile stores suddenly have an influx of business.
Advertising for food, ciggarettes, and alcohol has a noticible impact on sales (meaning when you advertise, people buy and use your product). And the toll its taking on Americans shows - we are overweight, dying of cancer and have some of the worst rates for alcohol abuse and very high accident rates involving alcohol. Now imagine they are gonna advertise weed everywhere too when its legal??!! I don't mind and expect children I may have to smoke cannabis but I want them to come to it and other psychadelics in a way that is less like buying cereal and icecream at the store and more personal and responsible, giving it the proper respect it deserves. The problem isn't in the plant, its the people and the systems we create. |
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progrocker
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Thank the weed gods, an actual argument.
| High Man wrote: | Well I'll try and make some logical arguments for illegality...
If cannabis were suddenly legalized there would probably be a "honeymoon" period where many people choose to go hog wild, which will probably create more problems that did not exist when it was illegal.
Longterm problems may persist but that would be something to be seen only with time if it happened. I would say education is tantamount to curbing all problems that may ensue.
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Correct, use would increase dramatically, but would then slowly decline. Of course, thats the pattern that has taken place when other countries legalize. The US is probably the most depressive/crazy country with no self control. At least it will decrease violent crimes 
| High Man wrote: |
Overall use of cannabis would increase. This could be argued as a good or bad thing. I am undecided on the issue. |
We might actually see usage go down after a while. Again it's tough to predict because we are in the US.
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Not everyone (Ppppft most people lol) cannot or have a difficult time handling their drugs and drug use and titrating a good dosage of drug(s) for themselves. And when I say drug, I imply anything from caffine and sugar to heroin.
Knowing this fact I would say that legalized cannabis use could result in people having access a drug that they really probably shouldn't have access to and have no idea how to use responsibily. But in the same light these same people probably shouldn't be allowed access to alcohol or other narcotics either (this tells me the whole system is fucked, and a great lack of education and lack of focus on responsible use is maintained instead). |
Whats the worst that could happen with extreme marijuana abuse? Lower drinking rates? food running out of the supermarket? It's not like we're talking about Crystal meth here. Weed can be abused, but it has little to no ramifications that prove extremely harmful to society.
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I only say all this because of the countless times I have seen people go to bars/clubs or wherever, get really fucked up, and then go driving, and I see the effect it has on the road and I can see it is dangerous to me. So now we'll have those same people drinking, smoking, and then driving. I just think its a bad idea, just as much as drinking and driving.
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There have been numerous studies that suggest marijuana has a negative affect on driving ability, but not to a significant enough level that we need to start freaking out about it.
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Teenage (and perhaps younger) use and access to cannabis will increase.
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Yeah, because cannabis is much harder to get than alcohol for minors. Not to mention, our schools are pretty much clean right now, right? (lies)
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I also think that traffic incidents involving cannabis and other drugs (now more so in conjunction with alcohol, ie. people go to bars or what not drink and smoke and then drive home) will increase even with laws in place against driving while under the influence.
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Here's a good argument. I love driving high as fuck, and it would be ruined if new laws fucked me over for doing so.
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Now remember I love cannabis (and other drugs). I LOVE it. And I want it to be free. I perfer all drugs to be free and legal.
But the majority of people are irresponsible, and you should never turn your back on a drug, especially when its waving a razor sharp hunting knife in your eye (or rather a giant metal death machine)
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Hey I love it too.
"the majority of people are irresponsible." That's not for you to decide and even if it is true, it's not a good enough reason to make everyone suffer because of the misdeeds of a few. You have things mixed up though, it's the sober people wielding a sharp hunting knife, (or rather, nuclear bombs and an army hell bent on causing ww3)
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I worry about cannabis becomming too mainstream. It already is in a way, and yeah, I want to be able to freely walk down the street and smoke a joint, but I realize there are still costs to that where it an actuality. I would rather people come to psychadelics on their own.
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If cannabis became mainstream, maybe we would become more like the Netherlands. A very peaceful, liberal country.
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It may be argued differently but I do think that cannabis is addictive like most any drug (even sugar) and without education and some kind of control people are going to use it irresponsibily, especially with the way media can push things on people. The news runs an article on salvia or DMT toads and suddenly salvia use skyrockets and reptile stores suddenly have an influx of business.
Advertising for food, ciggarettes, and alcohol has a noticible impact on sales (meaning when you advertise, people buy and use your product). And the toll its taking on Americans shows - we are overweight, dying of cancer and have some of the worst rates for alcohol abuse and very high accident rates involving alcohol. Now imagine they are gonna advertise weed everywhere too when its legal??!! I don't mind and expect children I may have to smoke cannabis but I want them to come to it and other psychadelics in a way that is less like buying cereal and icecream at the store and more personal and responsible, giving it the proper respect it deserves. The problem isn't in the plant, its the people and the systems we create. |
First off, let me say I am against big businesses, against advertisement, and against fat corporate snobs making money of suffering of others. Most of all, I am against the government going along with it.
This is a completely separate problem, and the fact that the truth rarely goes around in this country will have nothing to do with cannabis use. Advertising will be useless, because people will grow it. The market will go down 10X.
I view weed as a balancer. It balances lives. I think that's what America needs right now. |
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socrateez
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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 Nice!
I agree with progrocker on the school use issue raised by HighMan.
I started at 13. I had waay more access to weed at 13 than alcohol. My parents didn't drink but there was alcohol in the house. Tobacco was harder to get than weed.
Remember: Kids that age are in all probability getting it from their parents and or older siblings.
I find it amusing that the arguments put forth for prohibition eventually lead to reasoning against it.  |
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