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socrateez
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 Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: Undercovers and the Personas they use. |
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Ever noticed that most undercovers, at least the ones on COPS, wear similar styles of sunglasses. I know what your thinking, State Trooper shades, naw too authoritative.
They do seem to like very dark or mirrored "Oakley" style sport glasses and try to portray the "Stoner Construction Worker" an awful lot.
My personal experience:
A Taxi Driver looking for job protection (guns) or needing to "stay up" on the "job" (drugs) He wore those glasses too. Claimed to be the informants uncle. Rat Bastard.
Slightly off topic:
Barry is 100% correct on his video when he says that Undercovers get antsy or jumpy if you screw with times and meeting places. I won't get specific, but looking back, there was a time when Mr. Agent got real squirrely when I had to suddenly cancel a prearranged meeting. Wish I had never rescheduled! Ha. They are definitely on "COP TIME".  |
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shortyflow
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| what i belive. anyone can be a cop. the only thing that gives them away is protocol. if there is no voice and /or video proof then nothing can happen. i think. but i you think anything is fishy you should be able to exploit that and be able to make your descisions after that. |
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shortyflow
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I actually was a C.I before.
I will give you the story.
I had got busted selling a Half of a pound out of my girlfriends apartment. A snitch ratted me out and they told me they would have our daughter taken from us if I did not give them 2 busts.
fuck what you guyz say. My kids are way more important then me not snitching. I gave them 2 people. One for mushrooms and one for Pot. What really gets me though is when they ran a motion of discovery they could still tell who snitched on them.
I have been in the hood since I was 6 years old. I know the rules and I broke them. I am not saying what I did was right, but what I am saying is if there is a C.I then you should know the story before you judge the circumstance. |
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socrateez
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| shortyflow wrote: | I actually was a C.I before.
I will give you the story.
I had got busted selling a Half of a pound out of my girlfriends apartment. A snitch ratted me out and they told me they would have our daughter taken from us if I did not give them 2 busts.
fuck what you guyz say. My kids are way more important then me not snitching. I gave them 2 people. One for mushrooms and one for Pot. What really gets me though is when they ran a motion of discovery they could still tell who snitched on them.
I have been in the hood since I was 6 years old. I know the rules and I broke them. I am not saying what I did was right, but what I am saying is if there is a C.I then you should know the story before you judge the circumstance. |
I seen people snitch for the very reason you stated. That's how they generate case material. That's what motions of discovery are for. We have the right at trial to face our accusers. If a snitch can't be produced in court and remains hidden from discovery, then it's someone very important or prolific.
What about the person who snitched on you? What was their story? Some snitch for profit, most to save themselves but more and more...to save families held hostage by the legal system.
Remember America: Authorities Threaten Family! They can and will take your kids away! They can and WILL put your families away! They can and will seize your home and property. They WILL and DO turn the toughest thugest mother-fuckers into Rats this way! Seen it, Seen it, Seen it! Our prisons are filled with Snitches and those they snitched on. It was a common joke in Federal Institutions that if you got into a fight with someone, there was a 80% chance you would catch 5 years for assaulting a government witness!
This how they control us. Turn us against each each other. Nazi's mastered the technique.
Sorry you fell prey man. Ive known many others. |
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shortyflow
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| The families man. I can truley say that Pot Laws do traumatize families. |
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socrateez
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: |
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I wish more would speak out on this. It's a pretty taboo subject and most people feel very strongly one way or another about snitches and their motivations.
Most people are unaware just how commonplace this is.
We are not talking about thug ass gangsters for the most part. It's Mom and Dad with a family. Gangstas snitch just as much as anyone, but their are more families at it now with more to lose that is more valuable than anything when faced with its loss. 
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Brute4291
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In my high school years a kid for unknown reason went to the principle and started naming names of all the drug dealers in the school.
a two page list of names of known drug dealers and users. which for the rest of the year were randomly searched.
I think it might of been for like a deal he made after getting busted for something. He got beat up a couple times and i haven't seen him since |
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shortyflow
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I will give you the low down. I am 6 feet tall 150 pounds built. I am the epitome of gangster where I come from.
I made more money then any Crack dealer. I also smoke more dope then the average medical marijuana user. If I was not a father I would still be a Thug. I am not calling myself a gangster but I will rep the crips from S. Vine To N. Grant street till I die.
I am a father though and I do understand that family is way more important then marijuana. So if you are saying a snitch is nothing then I can firmly say if you come to my block you'll get hurt unless you have me or a couple other people clearing.
I can say I am the only white person that can walk down these strets that I know of and get away with it. I have a background here. People know I snitched and still shake my habd.
How many people do you guyz think you know that are thugs and end up being pawns in the game of life? |
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Brute4291
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| Around here everyone has each others back. i personally was not in the gangster crowd but i had alot of good friends that were. I would also end up in trouble with alot of them, they even covered my ass a couple times. |
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socrateez
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| shortyflow wrote: | | How many people do you guyz think you know that are thugs and end up being pawns in the game of life? |
Pawns in the War on Weed anyway. Ultimately, given enough time, most of them. Known too many. But yeah, ANYONE can be C.I., Housewife to Hitman.
I agree with you shortyflow. The best way to tell if someone is a C.I. is change in protocol. Barry talks about that in his video.
Were people suspicious of you or were they completely unaware?
How did this effect how you were able to interact with the people around you? |
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shortyflow
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No one had expected anything. It was just like getting another bag of weed. However to bust them they had to sell it straight to the undercover. They would not let me just go and get it and come back. We had to meet in a open space,(Wal-Mart parking lot) because they needed a video of the transaction.
The dope man got spooked and wanted to head over to McDonald's. This really pissed the Undercover off. He had to get back on the phone say he was moving and it just looked real obvious. I say if you are selling a bag to someone like that tell them you want to meet one place then go to another if the look on there face is anger or UhOh- stay away.
As far as how i interact with people around here. It definitely did put a burden on people selling me weed. The crazy thing is my homies I mean my real friends will take me to get it bring it to me or anything. Everyone knows I snitched. I voiced it after the motion of discovery came out. People ask me I say I do what I had to do. Gotta take care of the kids. People wanna do shit to me or fight me. Those are also the same guys that say whats up when they see me when they are by themselves. Like I said in another post I guess I kinda got room because of my background.
Don't let someone that snitched fool you. If you are doing it not for money, but for a reason like family then most of the time you are like me and just lay back relax and smoke with your good friends. I stopped partying with hard drugs after I had seen how easy it was for them to catch you. It is not worth it knowing that 10-1 the LEO's know more about what is going on than we do.
I am Sorry though. everyday I am sorry that I put myself in the position to make that decision. If I could take it back I decision or my little girl would be gone. But In the school of hard knocks sometimes we should take our lumps like a man.
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socrateez
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| I was busted in a open area where I met two undercover ATF Agents. Meeting places do seem chosen for surveillance value. |
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lateralus08
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| shortyflow wrote: | I actually was a C.I before.
I will give you the story.
I had got busted selling a Half of a pound out of my girlfriends apartment. A snitch ratted me out and they told me they would have our daughter taken from us if I did not give them 2 busts.
fuck what you guyz say. My kids are way more important then me not snitching. I gave them 2 people. One for mushrooms and one for Pot. What really gets me though is when they ran a motion of discovery they could still tell who snitched on them.
I have been in the hood since I was 6 years old. I know the rules and I broke them. I am not saying what I did was right, but what I am saying is if there is a C.I then you should know the story before you judge the circumstance. |
you are a chump. you broke the law and got caught so you were a pussy and decided that your life is more important than that of two people who were smarter than you i.e. people that didn't get caught until you ratted them out. I love how you say that you're gangsta and from the streets but in reality, you are a pussy, a chump, a hack. if you were so concerned about your children, you wouldn't have sold pot in the first place. i hope that people from your "hood" find out who you are and beat the shit out of you. |
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Brute4291
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Although i personally would never snitch if i had a family it might change my mind.
Family first.
And welcome to the boards. |
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Vern
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| I have 9 drug related arrest, never ever snitched on anyone. I would rather go to jail for a little while, instead of being shunned by my friends for the rest of my life. |
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