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shortyflow
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| lateralus08 wrote: | | shortyflow wrote: | I actually was a C.I before.
I will give you the story.
I had got busted selling a Half of a pound out of my girlfriends apartment. A snitch ratted me out and they told me they would have our daughter taken from us if I did not give them 2 busts.
fuck what you guys say. My kids are way more important then me not snitching. I gave them 2 people. One for mushrooms and one for Pot. What really gets me though is when they ran a motion of discovery they could still tell who snitched on them.
I have been in the hood since I was 6 years old. I know the rules and I broke them. I am not saying what I did was right, but what I am saying is if there is a C.I then you should know the story before you judge the circumstance. |
you are a chump. you broke the law and got caught so you were a pussy and decided that your life is more important than that of two people who were smarter than you i.e. people that didn't get caught until you ratted them out. I love how you say that you're gangsta and from the streets but in reality, you are a pussy, a chump, a hack. if you were so concerned about your children, you wouldn't have sold pot in the first place. i hope that people from your "hood" find out who you are and beat the shit out of you. |
Yep my kids lives are more important the those 2 guyz were. Was this post suppose to anger me? I mean I sold dope to put food on the table, got caught and I am still keeping food on the table.
Everyone here knows me and exactley what I did. Still shake my hand though so go figure. Very passionate post though welcome to the boards man. |
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Joe
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| shortyflow wrote: |
Yep my kids lives are more important the those 2 guyz were. Was this post suppose to anger me? I mean I sold dope to put food on the table, got caught and I am still keeping food on the table.
Everyone here knows me and exactly what I did. Still shake my hand though so go figure. Very passionate post though welcome to the boards man. |
With all due respect, and, not to start anything.......
Your kids lives are more important then theirs?....
What about their kids lives...because a possibility they wouldn't take the easy way out, and their family will suffer as a result...(Maybe they took their kids....)
(You may say "Well, they don't have kids" but, I doubt that was in your decision making process at the time, so, moot point...)
And, again, with all due respect....what such represents when people do it is essentially: You wanted to play the game, but decided in the middle, you didn't like the rules...and didn't want to play anymore...in the middle of the game 
You did what you did, because it's what you felt you had to do......it is what it is, and done, and no sense in throwing any words around, but, thought I would add the above.....
You may talk about "the hood", and gangsta, and all other accompanying things......but, the truth of the matter my friend, is that is all were true, we would not be having this conversation....
I'd also question that about your world and circle, because in such real worlds....it's usually your "friends" which get rid of you....
That...my friend......is "Gangsta"...
Just thought I would add that....you did what you thought you had to do at the time....and it's you which has to live with it, not me, so....but, at this point....I would think it obvious, you shouldn't be playing the game...
You tried it....you couldn't abide by the rules....you didn't play it well, you lost, so....I would hope you've learned something about yourself and life in the process.....
The game is the game, and all that comes with it...Either you play by the rules, or don't play at all...
Losing family is a risk to all.....in one way or another....
It's not "Gangsta" btw.....it's supposed to be "Gangster"...which also used to carry with it such distant things as "honor, loyalty, and respect"...and principles one would die for before compromising......
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Joe
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On a different note back to the above....
Knew someone once who rented hotel rooms, but, local, so, overview was he used his place being painted and carpeted.....would stay for several days, week...hang out at pool, etc...
So, at some point, they got on to him, and, one day he's cleaning up, clearing out, shutting down.....
A "crew" of guys "construction" were staying in a couple rooms across the hall........
One problem though..........
They all had clean shoes.....jeans looked right...shirts looked right....hats looked right....trucks looked right.....
They're shoes were perfectly clean.....ie: You show me someone working in the profession, in construction industry, be it a carpenter, electrician, plumber, drywall, etc, etc......and I'll show you a pair of shoes that looks like it
(Details are never their strong point actually.....
He cleaned up and cleared out.......3 days later same crew popped up and grabbed him for controlled buy on him from one of the guys , introduced by a "friend" about 2 weeks earlier
Also of note is he was out the next day and got probation in the end.......(He was beat with sledgehammer and phone books for about 20-30 minutes btw cause he wouldn't give up his guys.........hospital the next day.....)
The person who provided the introduction would have definitely received probation....(first time offender, small amount, etc....)
Was a major metro (city) team btw. |
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farmboy
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| The softer human side of me wants to say you're right for choosing your family over others but then after really thinking about it, the truth is you forfeited your childrens safety the day you decided to continue fucking around the game and that goes for not just you but anyone involved in black market movements. So if you get caught, thats an ultimatum you decided you could live with the day you signed up and decided to keep on fuckin around. Joe is right, the original gangster had to do with protection in numbers, and group of trustees, family, honor, loyalty... etc... the gangster of today is actually running hand in hand with the common thugs that care nothing for anyone but themselves... which, my dear friend is what you did. there was little overall honor in what you did because your decision most likely affected more than just the 2 people you helped track down. Its a dog eat dog world I can understand that so saving your own is a must... eat or be eaten... but if you're talking about overall respect and honor, there was none in this particular situation. Unfortunately, there is usually little immediate glory in being true to honest morals such as not snitching... but glory is not what we're aiming for here... Respect... |
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shortyflow
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Farmboy I fully understand what your saying. Let me lay this on you though. These two guys had no one they were dealers. The only thing that made me do it was the fact they both had sold Cocoa. The4y had no family nothing. SO when I say my kids before them I mean it. I am not selling dope. That is what I was implying you were saying there. I am just saying I still have my kids around and all. Cuz I no what I did was unspeakable. I am the first mofo to ppreach about respect. I hoewever, do not deserve any on this situation. I can say however I have my kids, a 40 hour a week job real close friends that will still be here with me till the end.
Gangsta however is in Lehman's terms a way to cash in on the very game you have knowledge in. I can cook up codien cough syrup, all the way to crack in the microwave. My friends that's gangsta. Gangster is a tie to a group who involves change. The only way I am "gangster" now is being with Mr. Barry Cooper's website
I will stay Gangsta though because I can make a dime out of string. Then turn that dime into bling |
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farmboy
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| i understand what you're saying... i still hold firm to what i believe and what others have said about the situation in this Thread BUT... the fact that you still remain solid in your decision regardless of what WE say demands enough respect in itself... |
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socrateez
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Some of the people that i have known or at least suspected of being C.I.'s have afterward embraced a strict "morality" or code of honor. Perhaps in compensation. I would say with a certain caution, that in some ways, it made them better people afterward.
In a certain context, Barry is considered a "Snitch" by many of his ex coworkers and fraternal social structure. Others hail him as a hero of change leading a just and true cause. Circumstance and Perspective. Whats important here is that our Institutions are offering our citizens this choice and stacking the cards in their favor! They use our loyalties to loved ones like our children as weapons to ensnare others.
How many thousands or more of people have snitched and hide it a like molestation secret? Many are coerced much like that. How many deal with the psychological trauma of going against their natural inclinations? Snitching is like having to sleep with the same sex if your not gay.
I'm not talking about people who simply have no vested interests other than their own hides or profit at anyone's expense. Those people are obvious and numerous. Average Joe who isn't "Gangsta".
It's like when a kid discovers electricity with a metal object and a wall socket.
That analogy brings certain aspects to my mind. One, being in that position is just as sudden and life threatening.
Two. Ability to affect change is beyond the person at the point of contact. In the case of Agencies, they offer the only "apparent" choices. They play "moderators" between shock and pain. Those are the choices.
Three.If it doesn't end your life or drastically alter it, you still end up getting burned or the shock of your life.
Four. You gain a great deal of Fear and Respect for the instrument or power that brings such sudden and certain change.
Thats just one part of what you face in "The Game". No less a threat than a pointed gun. |
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Vern
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| I have a question for you Shorty, if you had it to do over again what would you do? |
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socrateez
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That's a good question.  |
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High Man
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I do not think it is fair to judge one person over another when it comes to an issue of survival.
People do what they need to do to survive and remain free, to keep their standard of living as high as they can.
This is real life and despite any laws on paper or any ethical codes of conduct, there are no rules.
Especially when it comes to a criminalized enterprise.
People can say they wouldn't do this and that but when push comes to shove and you are facing imprisonment most people will do anything to get out, and really they have every right to try and do so.
Yes, your own life is inevitably more important than anyone else's, as it is your own. Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law. |
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Vern
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| High Man wrote: | I do not think it is fair to judge one person over another when it comes to an issue of survival.
People do what they need to do to survive and remain free, to keep their standard of living as high as they can.
This is real life and despite any laws on paper or any ethical codes of conduct, there are no rules.
Especially when it comes to a criminalized enterprise.
People can say they wouldn't do this and that but when push comes to shove and you are facing imprisonment most people will do anything to get out, and really they have every right to try and do so.
Yes, your own life is inevitably more important than anyone else's, as it is your own. Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law. |
You've never been snitched on have you? |
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socrateez
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| Quote: | | You've never been snitched on have you? |
I have been Snitched on Twice! There are times I have to separate the feeling from the thinking. None the less, I find this aspect of human behavior fascinating.
That situation I believe forces the person near the "Fight or Flight" survival mode. |
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shortyflow
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Sell outta MY house.
But if I was gonna go back man. It's hard to say.
I mean it did get me out of a very serious dope game. not just pot either. It did make people want to get at me. It did as in what Soc said in his post make it really fucken hard to sleep at night.
But still though if the same situation came up. I think I made the right descision. Sum these rappers talk about having a baby and still going to jail or selling alot of dope. Fuck that it's not right. My daughter would have got taken and put into state care. Called trauma. I'll takes my licks as being called a snitch for the rest of my life as long as she does not have to be there. |
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FZRaven
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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It all comes back to what's most important, You and your family. I believe Barry even says in his DVD, most people will roll, but if it involves family they won't. The fact is about 80% of people will snitch if you give a cop a few hours to work on them. Have you ever watched that Swat show, it's in Detroit. They have people snitching left and right, just about every arrest the person will snitch.
When it comes right down to it family is always going to trump non-family.
It's easy to say you would never snitch, when you've never been put into that situation. The only place it's hard to get people to snitch is up in the hoods or projects. Anything gang related, cause you know if your found out odd's are your dead. |
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shortyflow
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Raven your title is right.... Philosopher |
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