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| socrateez wrote: | Chronic thoracic probs here as well! I also own a Vape. 
Barry and Palerider7777 are right on about personality typing. Free thinking has been supplanted by the good soldiers within our society, even to recruiting our neighbors to pitch in for cash rewards. It feels like the Nazi rise must have as the State inexorably gained absolute control.
NWO I know what you mean.
people ARE waking up. The internet has made this possible. This is the most lawless realm in the world and everybody gets along surprisingly well.
Anarchy in small doses may not be harmful or fatal if swallowed.
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yes but the prob is the gov has made america a big melting pot of every race and culture, so there is nothing pure in america anymore and the prob with that is everybody is against everybody, and the gov wants it this way. so instead of seeing what there doing were to busy dealing with each other the whole time while there getting more control lil by lil. and it don't matter who makes it to office the same plan will be done.it's funny back when bush was running again and kerry was running they acted like they hated each other but yet the cousins and theres pics of them eating together having a good ol time.the point is they all have the same agenda name 1 that has promised to do things if u elect them to office and then do what they say they will do maybe on a small scale but they don't follow through with anything unless it will put money into there pocket. no the lobbist run this country and the top 5% "the elite rich/big banks" are also running the gov what they say goes.and they have made the american people dependent on this. most people are spoon fed there lifes and don't know any diffrent if the power went out in any big city or a war broke out over here 70% or better would'nt make it past the first month if that. why cause the gov has dumbed down america. sorry bout the rant lol u got me started lol. |
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Yep, this is why I asked Barry not to run. Our system is so corrupt that electing a few good guys is not going to change much. Until there is a true uprising, lots of average people taking to the streets and polls demanding change. Unfortunately the media and government have people so convinced that we are always at peril, and that we have to pass more regulations to be safe. In order to do what? My childhood was not safe... or normal by many standards. I grew up on a ranch near where I live now, my old man built pedal extensions on the equipment so I could be useful to drive a tractor, or any number of homemade devices we came up with. Any one of which were built to maim or kill. Now my friends don't let the kids do anything without a helmet. Shit the bumps and bruises are what builds character. We have hit such a height as a nanny state, being told what to do because it's good for us.
Merely legalizing pot won't change the big brother bullshit. As long as we think the government has to protect us from some inflated threat, we will not be free. |
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palerider7777
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| Bongzilla wrote: | Yep, this is why I asked Barry not to run. Our system is so corrupt that electing a few good guys is not going to change much. Until there is a true uprising, lots of average people taking to the streets and polls demanding change. Unfortunately the media and government have people so convinced that we are always at peril, and that we have to pass more regulations to be safe. In order to do what? My childhood was not safe... or normal by many standards. I grew up on a ranch near where I live now, my old man built pedal extensions on the equipment so I could be useful to drive a tractor, or any number of homemade devices we came up with. Now my friends don't let the kids do anything we did as fun. We have hit such a height as a nanny state, being told what to do because it's good for us.
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nope it won't help a thing it will never be legal as the gov makes way to much on it just the way it is. |
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| They have divided and conquered. I agree Cultural Ambiguity has been easy for the gov to take advantage of. |
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| socrateez wrote: | | They have divided and conquered. I agree Cultural Ambiguity has been easy for the gov to take advantage of. |
The only reason this happens is because we all have to put every thing into a group. In high school we have the jocks, cheerleaders, nerds, losers and so forth. And of course we have the ever classic, White, Black, Brown, Red and so many more. In modern times the trend is always to put things into these groups. What we need to do is get rid of all the other groups and just have the one group, Human.
You know they say in the future there will only be one race. But imagine what it will be like right before we become one race. Your going to have some holdouts from just about every race. So it will be all one race except for a few small "tribes" of the old races. |
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palerider7777
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| FZRaven wrote: | | socrateez wrote: | | They have divided and conquered. I agree Cultural Ambiguity has been easy for the gov to take advantage of. |
The only reason this happens is because we all have to put every thing into a group. In high school we have the jocks, cheerleaders, nerds, losers and so forth. And of course we have the ever classic, White, Black, Brown, Red and so many more. In modern times the trend is always to put things into these groups. What we need to do is get rid of all the other groups and just have the one group, Human.
You know they say in the future there will only be one race. But imagine what it will be like right before we become one race. Your going to have some holdouts from just about every race. So it will be all one race except for a few small "tribes" of the old races. |
i highly doubt this. iv'e heard it said, but if there was'nt the culture divide and all the diffrent races there would be a number of things that would never have been done. thats what makes the world so great is all the diffrent things about each culture.and how boring would that be if everyone is the same and thinks the same way nothing would progress.or on a much slower scale.but to try to breed a race out of existence like sum races are trying to do is not only sick but wrong. |
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| Homogeneity stagnates a culture. The USA used to embrace diversity, now we fear it as if it were an assassin. We are desperately seeking a national identity or "Culture" that transcends our internal diversity. It's happened before... |
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palerider7777
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| socrateez wrote: | | Homogeneity stagnates a culture. The USA used to embrace diversity, now we fear it as if it were an assassin. We are desperately seeking a national identity or "Culture" that transcends our internal diversity. It's happened before... |
when was this?if i remember right it was never embraced but rather forced.and yes maybe sum in the us embraced it but not most it was pushed in alil at a time until it became the norm i don't know how old u are if ur old enough to remember. but foreigners were never embraced by the us to come here if anything most of the people did'nt want it.but alil at a time they kept coming until there was more of them than of us.so now it's norm but not b4.i rememebr back in the 80's it was the russians we were against.u think the people wanted them coming here..not u can even see it in the movies of the times.the people of the us as a whole did not want this the messed up few that did made it possible for it to happen not a good thing. theres nothing pure anymore.it's a slap in the face to each persons culture as everything there fore fathers did to keep there culture alive ment nothing.most people now days don't know the true meaning of history and pride and respect and morals.i wonder why.... |
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socrateez
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Your right, it is imposed. Dictators or Theocracies usually. Diversity has been held as a moral premise here, not always as function. Your statements show this. I was attempting to show a shift in thinking from the past as there was a distinct cultural and almost generational majority. Foreigners or outsiders were minor in number relatively speaking. Insignificant in so far is they were able to impact the status quo culture. That is not the case now. there is no clear majority of race, ethic, religion, politics or any other division I can muster up for example. There are numerous entities that have equal chance at cultural dominance here.(USA) Even the cannabis culture is fighting for its spot at the trough. We are not a minority ignorable any longer.
I should have added to my statement "Homogeneity stagnates a culture", That imposed homogeneity stagnates a culture. It locks its form. True unimpeded cultural progress will diversify where as imposition of culture will homogenize and mark its spiraling end. The effects of that as you noted are politikal systems of distinct notoriety.
I feel that the politakal system and cultural systems here have evolved at drastically different rates. The political entities seek two things: To keep what they have and get more if possible. They have achieved success at both by taking advantage of an entire generational culture and their ideals. That culture is rapidly changing.
OK I just realized I am Waay off topic here but I am enjoying this discussion. I think I'm going to split this thread or start a continuation. |
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FZRaven
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| palerider7777 wrote: | | FZRaven wrote: | | socrateez wrote: | | They have divided and conquered. I agree Cultural Ambiguity has been easy for the gov to take advantage of. |
The only reason this happens is because we all have to put every thing into a group. In high school we have the jocks, cheerleaders, nerds, losers and so forth. And of course we have the ever classic, White, Black, Brown, Red and so many more. In modern times the trend is always to put things into these groups. What we need to do is get rid of all the other groups and just have the one group, Human.
You know they say in the future there will only be one race. But imagine what it will be like right before we become one race. Your going to have some holdouts from just about every race. So it will be all one race except for a few small "tribes" of the old races. |
i highly doubt this. iv'e heard it said, but if there was'nt the culture divide and all the diffrent races there would be a number of things that would never have been done. thats what makes the world so great is all the diffrent things about each culture.and how boring would that be if everyone is the same and thinks the same way nothing would progress.or on a much slower scale.but to try to breed a race out of existence like sum races are trying to do is not only sick but wrong. |
Now I'm not saying that we need to get rid of other races. What I am saying is that we need to stop seeing in terms of groups. Like a white man not hanging out with a black man because of the color of his skin.
As for there being one race, that will happen at some point in the future. It is true that it will take a very long time, but even today if we look around we see that compared even to 100 years ago people are more tolerant of interracial relationships. At some point in time if we continue to move towards a global government and a global culture everything will become one race.
And the people of the future will for sure not all think the same. I think that in the future indeed people will be more freethinking, as we are now. You look back a few hundred years even and you'll see that as a race we were a lot less free thinking back then.
And really a lot of the problems with freethinking stem from these groups that we are lumped into. A lot of groups have certain rules that you must follow, rules that are taught to you from a very young age. So you end up with all these people thinking the same and pushing the same agenda. And they are not pushing this agenda from a freethinking perspective, they are pushing it because it's what they have been taught. If anything we can look towards people being much more diverse in the future.
Also I think your looking at it the wrong way, think of what could have been done if everyone was working together? |
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palerider7777
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| FZRaven wrote: | | palerider7777 wrote: | | FZRaven wrote: | | socrateez wrote: | | They have divided and conquered. I agree Cultural Ambiguity has been easy for the gov to take advantage of. |
The only reason this happens is because we all have to put every thing into a group. In high school we have the jocks, cheerleaders, nerds, losers and so forth. And of course we have the ever classic, White, Black, Brown, Red and so many more. In modern times the trend is always to put things into these groups. What we need to do is get rid of all the other groups and just have the one group, Human.
You know they say in the future there will only be one race. But imagine what it will be like right before we become one race. Your going to have some holdouts from just about every race. So it will be all one race except for a few small "tribes" of the old races. |
i highly doubt this. iv'e heard it said, but if there was'nt the culture divide and all the diffrent races there would be a number of things that would never have been done. thats what makes the world so great is all the diffrent things about each culture.and how boring would that be if everyone is the same and thinks the same way nothing would progress.or on a much slower scale.but to try to breed a race out of existence like sum races are trying to do is not only sick but wrong. |
Now I'm not saying that we need to get rid of other races. What I am saying is that we need to stop seeing in terms of groups. Like a white man not hanging out with a black man because of the color of his skin.
As for there being one race, that will happen at some point in the future. It is true that it will take a very long time, but even today if we look around we see that compared even to 100 years ago people are more tolerant of interracial relationships. At some point in time if we continue to move towards a global government and a global culture everything will become one race.
And the people of the future will for sure not all think the same. I think that in the future indeed people will be more freethinking, as we are now. You look back a few hundred years even and you'll see that as a race we were a lot less free thinking back then.
And really a lot of the problems with freethinking stem from these groups that we are lumped into. A lot of groups have certain rules that you must follow, rules that are taught to you from a very young age. So you end up with all these people thinking the same and pushing the same agenda. And they are not pushing this agenda from a freethinking perspective, they are pushing it because it's what they have been taught. If anything we can look towards people being much more diverse in the future.
Also I think your looking at it the wrong way, think of what could have been done if everyone was working together? |
well that comes down to whats right and wrong not race or culture.to say all races need to be the same to be that way is not the right thinking either.i believe in god i don't know if u do but i do and he made us this way for a reason not for us to just say hey screw what u made us to be we wanna mix and be 1.seems like a slap in the face to god in my eyes but hey most iv'e talked to on the forums now days don't believe in a god so go fig to each his own i say |
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| palerider7777 wrote: | | FZRaven wrote: | | palerider7777 wrote: | | FZRaven wrote: | | socrateez wrote: | | They have divided and conquered. I agree Cultural Ambiguity has been easy for the gov to take advantage of. |
The only reason this happens is because we all have to put every thing into a group. In high school we have the jocks, cheerleaders, nerds, losers and so forth. And of course we have the ever classic, White, Black, Brown, Red and so many more. In modern times the trend is always to put things into these groups. What we need to do is get rid of all the other groups and just have the one group, Human.
You know they say in the future there will only be one race. But imagine what it will be like right before we become one race. Your going to have some holdouts from just about every race. So it will be all one race except for a few small "tribes" of the old races. |
i highly doubt this. iv'e heard it said, but if there was'nt the culture divide and all the diffrent races there would be a number of things that would never have been done. thats what makes the world so great is all the diffrent things about each culture.and how boring would that be if everyone is the same and thinks the same way nothing would progress.or on a much slower scale.but to try to breed a race out of existence like sum races are trying to do is not only sick but wrong. |
Now I'm not saying that we need to get rid of other races. What I am saying is that we need to stop seeing in terms of groups. Like a white man not hanging out with a black man because of the color of his skin.
As for there being one race, that will happen at some point in the future. It is true that it will take a very long time, but even today if we look around we see that compared even to 100 years ago people are more tolerant of interracial relationships. At some point in time if we continue to move towards a global government and a global culture everything will become one race.
And the people of the future will for sure not all think the same. I think that in the future indeed people will be more freethinking, as we are now. You look back a few hundred years even and you'll see that as a race we were a lot less free thinking back then.
And really a lot of the problems with freethinking stem from these groups that we are lumped into. A lot of groups have certain rules that you must follow, rules that are taught to you from a very young age. So you end up with all these people thinking the same and pushing the same agenda. And they are not pushing this agenda from a freethinking perspective, they are pushing it because it's what they have been taught. If anything we can look towards people being much more diverse in the future.
Also I think your looking at it the wrong way, think of what could have been done if everyone was working together? |
well that comes down to whats right and wrong not race or culture.to say all races need to be the same to be that way is not the right thinking either.i believe in god i don't know if u do but i do and he made us this way for a reason not for us to just say hey screw what u made us to be we wanna mix and be 1.seems like a slap in the face to god in my eyes but hey most iv'e talked to on the forums now days don't believe in a god so go fig to each his own i say |
Well I can't say that I base my argument on God, I prefer to base it on science and facts. It's most definitely not about right and wrong, as there is no absolute right and wrong. Right and wrong will always depend on the situation at hand, what's right most times might indeed be wrong in that one moment of time that you make a decision.
I can see that the main difference between you and I is that you are believe in Moral Absolutism. I on the other hand believe in Moral Relativism, which holds that the morality of an act depends on the context of the act. |
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Great read,y'all keep on talking,I have my own personal views,Through God,and appreciate a good solid debate,I still see people as in groups,as I was raised by a southern Father.but when I am around a large group of culturally mixed people for an extended period of time,I tend to assimilate into being most able to relate,or tender friendships with the other cultures,and feel I am an outsider,with the majority of my persuasion. I have been told by some of my friends,that it is the way it is,because I don't talk down to them.I talk to them,as Real brothers.
I realize I am pretty much off topic,but in reading your conversation,it is what came to mind.  |
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palerider7777
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well i do believe in there is a right and wrong.like i don't believe in murder i think it's wrong to go and kill someone for no reason just like i think it's wrong for someone to break in someones house and steal from them to name a few.so ur right if u don't believe there is right and wrong things people can do then yes we do think diffrently.
if i was to believe like ur say that it depends on the time at hand then whats to stop someone from going and doing these eveil things out there they could just say well i don't believe in right and wrong don't hold me accountable for my actions or i thought it was ok at the time.see why im going so to say the sooner we come to a one race society the soon things get better to me is not a good way to think. do i think cultures should stay to pure to themselfs yes i do and ur wrong to say that it's accepted only in america is that the case most other countries and cultures do not believe it's good to mix there culture and race and most will disown there offspring for doing so.only when they come to america do they adapt to the way america is.u are right about most cultures teaching there offspring how to be why is that a bad thing???and diffrent cultures have lived peacefully side by side in the past only till one side or the other disrespected the other or was wronged by the other side was there conflict.and to be honest alot or if not most wars were started because of a woman.and alot of down falls from leaders have been because of a woman.
look in the old testament in the bible just about every mans down fall was over women. lol not dissing the women im saying the love a man has for a woman. and some bad woman that started it.this melting pot has been forced on america look at every ad or t.v show and tell me u don't see it.it's being taught in school even.can it be a good thing to a degree yes. but not when it's pushing u from what u believe and if u believe anything else ur considered the bad racist person. for not being a follower of the masses.
theres very few people in this world that are strong minded and not brainwashed into thinking a certain way. those are the real free thinkers not to be brain washed into every move or thought they think or do.and everyone no matter who u are was born into a family that taught to be a certain way and yes most go there whole lifes thinking the same way.i myself was raised like this but when ur old enough to use that brain most don't. i do i know some of the stuff i was taught was there view of things and it's up to me to believe what i want.
just like most are raised to believe dem are better than reps or the reps are better than dems i was raised rep.but as i got older i realized both sides are full of bs. and no one in the goverment has it's people at heart. but only there pocket book.no matter who gets in office nothing will change. name a prez that when campaigning made all the promises that they all make and then get into office and do what they said they would do....none. they act like they hate each other then u see pics where there all at dinner together laughing it up, and i think it's alil wierd that there all connected blood wise down there blood line cuz's and such.
snow job if ya ask me.whats the best way to keep the heat off of u? put it on someone else and thats what the goverment has done for along time they made an environment "america" where they create all the things that would keep people fighting each other instead of looking at all the bs there doing behind our backs.i mean how could the people ever have an upriasing and get things done like standing together to say make a plant legal when they won't stand together.how, just how the gov planned it to be sure people in america will stand in groups, small groups not big enough to do much.
thats how america has whored it's self out to many hands in the pot.lol no pun intended lol. but do u understand what im saying.if all the distractions ie all the bs in america could things get done would they get done hell yes. cause then the gov would know theres to many to stand against it.i could point out more but i'd be boo'ed lol. but i see it for what it is.all i can say is i speak for what i see and i've been all over america.even where i grew up it was a low to middle class area quite clean safe and when all the mixing of people started there it kept going down from there. now most of the stores are closed up and it's one of the worst spots in the town.i mean it's a huge city.and u know when that happened when the jax jags football team came to town. what happened is all the trash from the inner city got pushed out to the surrounding neighborhoods so the team and altell stadium would look nice. now u can see cRACK deals and white hookers on the corners.
and u want the truth of the matter most of the time when someone looks outside there culture for something it's because that culture don't accept them.like fat people not making fun just saying like say fat white women for some reason most white men do not like that but the fat girl starts getting alot of looks from black males. so they end up going that way so it's not cause it's in the minds to do this. it's more that there pushed into doing it.just like with anything else like in school the jocks did'nt like the nerds and so forth so people go with who will pay the most attention to them. thats the human nature part of it, and sometime people do it to get back at someone.
u know hate or anger will make people do stuff they would not do otherwise.im sure i'll be considered a racist now, but why do people think people that talk like this is racist?? i'll tell u because they been brainwashed in to this thinking.it's not racist to believe it's better for one race and culture to have respect for themselfs.it's also been taught in america that white man is evil and they treated the slave so bad. just in my free thinking i wondered about this very thing let me see,first off if i lived back then and lets say i was a white farmer and i was doing pretty well for my self and i saved up the money to by a slave, of any color, as there were other cultures that were slaves. anyways i could by someone to work for me as a slave would i a.do like they teach in schools and on t.v and beat my slave and not feed him/her for days and pretty much try to kill them or b. as with any investment make sure there well taken care of so they will keep making me money?? humm i'll go with b. as i believe most if not all did. it comes down to common sense.
do i think all were treated good maybe not just like with anything in life im sure there were 1 or 2 real dumbasses out there in the back woods that did'nt even take care of them selfs.but as a whole no. i could go on,and no im not saying it was right i don't believe anyone should be a slave to anyone.that brings me to my next point are we not all slaves to our goverment?? i say we were in a big way as most people the middle class.the hardest working class in america.as for one they don't make to little but don't make enough so they pretty much work from paycheck to paycheck.so they make to much for help when they need it so the gov says and they don't make no where near enough to pay for that unexpected bill from the doc or whatever as that puts them back a couple weeks in the hole.
lets see how much of slaves to the gov are we really ok#1we get taxed to work #2 we get taxed to buy #3 we get taxed to live the list goes on so how much of our dollar do they really get. i'd say somewhere around 65% when it's all said and done maybe more. so who are the real slaves.and for all we do for them and our country they want to say u can't grow a harmless plant in ur back yard? lmao yea someone has there blinders on. man thats along racist rant to most im sure.lol answer me 1 thing why is someone a racist for wanting to have pride in there own culture? and it seems that any culture other than the white culture can and do/say anything they want and no one says a word. but if a white man just looks the wrong way he's a racist?... oh yea whites were being hung by nooses way b4 america was even thought of, and oh yea almost forgot the jews were slaves wayb4 america was thought of too.
by who u might ask?... Egyptians and where is egypt? top tip of africa? humm i wonder who ran slaves first? ofcorse some say egyptians were from black stock and some say a mix of the region.but the language has been traced down into africa.and who to this day practices to this day slavery?? black stock in africa to this day. people get slaughtered over there for what/ nothing. but yet the white man is the devil. im just showing how people in america have such soft minds and for some reason never seem to want to research anything. what ever they were taught in school or on t.v thats good enough for them.
im not against the usa or it's people but rather our corrupt goverment thats killing us over greed.i know b4 u tell me im off in lala land, and im evil to use my brain and think this way.sorry thats how my mind is built i guess.lol and 1 more thing i love god and believe in jesus and i've learned more by my self than i ever have in any church so no im not some crazy christian lol sorry i have been told this.
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The problem with the Globalist view is the same as with Communism. In order to work, they expect all people to do what it is in the best interest of everyone else. The good of the many outweigh the good of the few. Problem is people are selfish animals. We create Utopia in our minds and whip our animal body to comply.
I dont see one race or culture or political system ever ruling over all for but a short time. Once there is no outward expansion or conquest, which adds diversity to the culture, it consumes itself and lends rise to new culture.
I believe our culture is doing just that. The world will only allow us so much conquest-and there are many arenas for this.
I believe our nation has attempted to strike a balance between external and internal conflict to sustain growth.
Novelty is our crack. We'll never Globalize. How bored would you be in a perfect world?
Stephen Hawking was asked if he thought we'd make it to the stars. He doubts it. I have mine as well. |
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