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palerider7777
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject:

socrateez wrote:

The problem with the Globalist view is the same as with Communism. In order to work, they expect all people to do what it is in the best interest of everyone else. The good of the many outweigh the good of the few. Problem is people are selfish animals. We create Utopia in our minds and whip our animal body to comply.
I dont see one race or culture or political system ever ruling over all for but a short time. Once there is no outward expansion or conquest, which adds diversity to the culture, it consumes itself and lends rise to new culture.
I believe our culture is doing just that. The world will only allow us so much conquest-and there are many arenas for this.
I believe our nation has attempted to strike a balance between external and internal conflict to sustain growth.
Novelty is our crack. We'll never Globalize. How bored would you be in a perfect world?
Stephen Hawking was asked if he thought we'd make it to the stars. He doubts it. I have mine as well.

just wanted to say nwo is very real...ever heard of the nau it's coming i'll say this out loud anyone wonder why our dollar has seemed to collapse over nite it's gonna be a good excuse to why we should allow the nau to take place.

ps just to let u know the usa could control the world and will but there doing it in a diffrent way than most might think sure we could go level any place we wanted but why when u can take it over and control it.

ps. The problem with the Globalist view is the same as with Communism. In order to work, they expect all people to do what it is in the best interest of everyone else. i agree with the first part but there not completely the same communism is alil diffrent if u don't agree with them they kill u.

Bongzilla
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject:

I've enjoyed the thoughts people are bringing to this thread.
On the diversity thing, I grew up in an area that was primarily white. I was 8 or 9 when I saw the first black person in a nearby college town. There are 4 or 5 black families here in my whole county. More and more Mexican folks move in every year.
I was raised to see color, but I've learned that character content is more important. One of my best friends is straight out of Compton, helluva standup guy. Works hard to support his family, all he wants to do is burn a few after work. What more could matter?
I've worked with a lot of Mexican folks too. I've found there are good and bad everywhere you look.
Know a lot of certifiable white trash too. It would be a very ignorant claim that anyone is better due to melanin levels.
I am wholly against anything to create a "balance" of anything, at all, ever.

On the Government issue, there has to be something going on that is way out of the control, or review of our citizens. The system is out of our control at this point. They lie to scare people into voting for laws designed to invade our privacy, and limit our freedoms. I am honestly scared of our government, and what their plans for us are. the real ultimate power

palerider7777
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject:

Bongzilla wrote:

i pretty much agree.but im not scared of our gov but rather aware.i am scared of what i'd do if they ever push to far.....

socrateez
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:22 am Post subject:

palerider7777 wrote:

Bongzilla wrote:

i pretty much agree.but im not scared of our gov but rather aware.i am scared of what i'd do if they ever push to far.....

Amen Brothas!
They control us through comfort. Basic Machiavellian principal. As long as most people have a SUV, Starbucks, Plasma TV, Cell phone, Internet, etc; ehan the Government can do whatever they want. People are getting uncomfortable right now. They are asking questions. Thats why we got a tax rebate coming. To shut us up while they figure out what new scheme to float our economy a little longer. They'll only legalize if they think it will keep us Sheep. They know pot doesnt make you stupid. Too many free thinkers and finger pointers use it.
Or, they'll legalize it and spin it so it was all a big plan to restart the economy in green way. Take credit. What is our next economic system?
Manufacturing, Services, and recently heavy real estate venturing which is in serious trouble? All those are gone primarily to other countries. We produce little and consume everything. What happens when the Americans can no longer buy shit? They take it and sell it. Vast tracts of land are owned by foriegn interests.
I fear that executive directive 51 will eventually be used. It will be because the US is bankrupt and our foriegn debtors will come collecting. I believe that is our "exit" strategy. That is how I feel the new order will be birthed. I think it will be in as smooth a transition as possible. Fema has places for those who demand the "old ways
". Did you know Haliburton contracts with them?
Your right. Our government does not fear the people.
I tend to agree that our current political system offers two flavors of the same brand of ice cream.- Rep.Vanilla and Dem.Vanilla.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Directive_51
I feel like I'm watching events unfold that were foretold by the lunatic fringe-as anyone with so called unpatriotic and unAmerican views are labeled by media.
Change has been shaped and molded around us, not by us, but by those who seek profit by it.

palerider7777
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: this is true

lil by lil america has whore'd it's self out"the people" all the while the gov has known what was going on.we have let them out sorce everything and it has left our country like a honey comb nice looking and full on the outside but empty in the middle.all on the quest for greed.and ur right about people in america as long as they have there warez there fine the suv's the biggest lcd t.v the better house and btw falls apart after about 4 or 5 years there cracker jack boxes all these new houses but yet u have 10 times the building codes to go by and yet the building quality has digressed.all for what?? more money for the state.u know it's funny after all the tax hikes and stuff each state does the billions they rake in every 1/4 they still bitch about not having enough money for school programs and for city inprovments.where is all those billion and trillions of dollars going.and not only that but if the state has lottery thats even tons more money that is supposed to go to the school funds but yet they never have enough money and the schools keep getting worse.why? the gov wants it this way it wants the people as dumb as they can be yea sure the chance is there for people/kids to get the proper education but the gov knows human nature and the majority of the people will not push themselfs to learn what they need but just enough to get by.i'll be back lol.

xlldo
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject:

The Bible has a structure that I use to explain how I feel about what appears to be a decline in western civilization: this decline is at the same time part of an evolution towards greater knowledge, technical power and (hopefully) understanding of how important it is that we retain some identities (of self, family, community and culture) while simultaneously including others in the interest of democracy and peace. The analogy is this: the Bible's downward movement from Eden to apocalypse is matched by the upward movement from naive innocence through to fully aware rapture. At any given time in history similarly contradictory movements are evident. Likewise with the US, and with this thread: there are indications that much is wrong, but also signs of something going right.

palerider7777
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject:

xlldo wrote:

this is true although its a shame the whats going wrong part seems to be out weighing the whats going right part lol.

xlldo
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject:

Yep

FZRaven
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject:

Well So it's easier to follow, I'm going to quote the original post. I would have responded sooner, but I've been busy with town business.

palerider7777 wrote:

well i do believe in there is a right and wrong.like i don't believe in murder i think it's wrong to go and kill someone for no reason just like i think it's wrong for someone to break in someones house and steal from them to name a few.so ur right if u don't believe there is right and wrong things people can do then yes we do think diffrently.

Well again this all depends on what exactly your definition of what is right and wrong or what is moral or immoral. There are a few views on this, I tend to follow the belief that all actions are to be judged based on the siltation out of which they arise. You would be right to say that murder is wrong, most of the time. But there are certain circumstances that could arise a unique situation that if any sane and reasonable man were to look at he would conclude that the actions were right.

If you whip out your bible and read Deuteronomy 17:12 it states that “Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. “
Or in Leviticus 20:9, “All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. “

So yes indeed I prefer not to base my morals on the bible.

palerider7777 wrote:

if i was to believe like ur say that it depends on the time at hand then whats to stop someone from going and doing these eveil things out there they could just say well i don't believe in right and wrong don't hold me accountable for my actions or i thought it was ok at the time.

The simple answer to this is other people, as we live in a society we are subject to the views of the majority. I imagine we can all agree that the majority of people think that all these “evil” things you speak of are wrong. The majority set the laws and as we know even if you disagree with a law and choose to do what is illegal you will still be subjected to these laws.

palerider7777 wrote:

see why im going so to say the sooner we come to a one race society the soon things get better to me is not a good way to think. do i think cultures should stay to pure to themselfs yes i do and ur wrong to say that it's accepted only in america is that the case most other countries and cultures do not believe it's good to mix there culture and race and most will disown there offspring for doing so.only when they come to america do they adapt to the way america is.u are right about most cultures teaching there offspring how to be why is that a bad thing???and diffrent cultures have lived peacefully side by side in the past only till one side or the other disrespected the other or was wronged by the other side was there conflict.and to be honest alot or if not most wars were started because of a woman.and alot of down falls from leaders have been because of a woman.

I never stated that if we become one race everything will magically be better. What I stated was my belief that way way in the future(I have no idea how long) we will indeed become one race. It's already started, it's not an uncommon thing to see people of different races marry.

When I was talking about how we need to stop thinking in groups I did not mean that we should become all the same, or even give up the cultures of our respective society's. What I was trying to say is that the world would be a lot better off is people were colorblind. To think that a person is lesser than you because of the color of their skin or what ancestry they come from is wrong. This kind of thinking will only lead to hate and until we can move beyond this we will continue with the problems caused by this way of thinking.

palerider777 wrote:

look in the old testament in the bible just about every mans down fall was over women. lol not dissing the women im saying the love a man has for a woman. and some bad woman that started it.this melting pot has been forced on america look at every ad or t.v show and tell me u don't see it.it's being taught in school even.can it be a good thing to a degree yes. but not when it's pushing u from what u believe and if u believe anything else ur considered the bad racist person. for not being a follower of the masses.

I hate to break it to you, but your wrong about the cause of the melting pot. The melting pot was caused by all the immigrants escaping the persecution of the country's they came from, just as our founding fathers. When they founded this country they tried to make sure that the persecution suffered by many would not happen in this country. What makes the whole melting pot even possible is the laws of this land. When this country was founded these were all new idea's, this country was founded with these ideals.

palerider7777 wrote:

theres very few people in this world that are strong minded and not brainwashed into thinking a certain way. those are the real free thinkers not to be brain washed into every move or thought they think or do.and everyone no matter who u are was born into a family that taught to be a certain way and yes most go there whole lifes thinking the same way.i myself was raised like this but when ur old enough to use that brain most don't. i do i know some of the stuff i was taught was there view of things and it's up to me to believe what i want.

just like most are raised to believe dem are better than reps or the reps are better than dems i was raised rep.but as i got older i realized both sides are full of bs. and no one in the goverment has it's people at heart. but only there pocket book.no matter who gets in office nothing will change. name a prez that when campaigning made all the promises that they all make and then get into office and do what they said they would do....none. they act like they hate each other then u see pics where there all at dinner together laughing it up, and i think it's alil wierd that there all connected blood wise down there blood line cuz's and such.

I won't get into politics as that's a whole thread in itself. When it comes to how people are raised I can say that I am against parents forcing a view on a child. Just because you hold a certain view does not mean it is correct, or that you should force it on a child. I always love hearing people at work talk about there 10 year old good Christian child, when a child of that age can not reason and therefor does not truly understand. A child should be free to develop views without the constant effort of the parents to enforce there views upon a child that is unable to reason and has but no choice to believe what mommy and daddy say. It is true that some people will outgrow this influence and will form opinions radically different from their parents. But what parents teach their children tends to stick with them for life. Maybe not every little tiny thing that the parent as told them will stick with them, but all the things that a parent teaches a child will effect how that child thinks and forms opinions as they grow old enough to do such things.

palerider777 wrote:

snow job if ya ask me.whats the best way to keep the heat off of u? put it on someone else and thats what the goverment has done for along time they made an environment "america" where they create all the things that would keep people fighting each other instead of looking at all the bs there doing behind our backs.i mean how could the people ever have an upriasing and get things done like standing together to say make a plant legal when they won't stand together.how, just how the gov planned it to be sure people in america will stand in groups, small groups not big enough to do much.

thats how america has whored it's self out to many hands in the pot.lol no pun intended lol. but do u understand what im saying.if all the distractions ie all the bs in america could things get done would they get done hell yes. cause then the gov would know theres to many to stand against it.i could point out more but i'd be boo'ed lol. but i see it for what it is.all i can say is i speak for what i see and i've been all over america.even where i grew up it was a low to middle class area quite clean safe and when all the mixing of people started there it kept going down from there. now most of the stores are closed up and it's one of the worst spots in the town.i mean it's a huge city.and u know when that happened when the jax jags football team came to town. what happened is all the trash from the inner city got pushed out to the surrounding neighborhoods so the team and altell stadium would look nice. now u can see cRACK deals and white hookers on the corners.

and u want the truth of the matter most of the time when someone looks outside there culture for something it's because that culture don't accept them.like fat people not making fun just saying like say fat white women for some reason most white men do not like that but the fat girl starts getting alot of looks from black males. so they end up going that way so it's not cause it's in the minds to do this. it's more that there pushed into doing it.just like with anything else like in school the jocks did'nt like the nerds and so forth so people go with who will pay the most attention to them. thats the human nature part of it, and sometime people do it to get back at someone.

u know hate or anger will make people do stuff they would not do otherwise.im sure i'll be considered a racist now, but why do people think people that talk like this is racist?? i'll tell u because they been brainwashed in to this thinking.it's not racist to believe it's better for one race and culture to have respect for themselfs.it's also been taught in america that white man is evil and they treated the slave so bad. just in my free thinking i wondered about this very thing let me see,first off if i lived back then and lets say i was a white farmer and i was doing pretty well for my self and i saved up the money to by a slave, of any color, as there were other cultures that were slaves. anyways i could by someone to work for me as a slave would i a.do like they teach in schools and on t.v and beat my slave and not feed him/her for days and pretty much try to kill them or b. as with any investment make sure there well taken care of so they will keep making me money?? humm i'll go with b. as i believe most if not all did. it comes down to common sense.

do i think all were treated good maybe not just like with anything in life im sure there were 1 or 2 real dumbasses out there in the back woods that did'nt even take care of them selfs.but as a whole no. i could go on,and no im not saying it was right i don't believe anyone should be a slave to anyone.that brings me to my next point are we not all slaves to our goverment?? i say we were in a big way as most people the middle class.the hardest working class in america.as for one they don't make to little but don't make enough so they pretty much work from paycheck to paycheck.so they make to much for help when they need it so the gov says and they don't make no where near enough to pay for that unexpected bill from the doc or whatever as that puts them back a couple weeks in the hole.

lets see how much of slaves to the gov are we really ok#1we get taxed to work #2 we get taxed to buy #3 we get taxed to live the list goes on so how much of our dollar do they really get. i'd say somewhere around 65% when it's all said and done maybe more. so who are the real slaves.and for all we do for them and our country they want to say u can't grow a harmless plant in ur back yard? lmao yea someone has there blinders on. man thats along racist rant to most im sure.lol answer me 1 thing why is someone a racist for wanting to have pride in there own culture? and it seems that any culture other than the white culture can and do/say anything they want and no one says a word. but if a white man just looks the wrong way he's a racist?... oh yea whites were being hung by nooses way b4 america was even thought of, and oh yea almost forgot the jews were slaves wayb4 america was thought of too.

by who u might ask?... Egyptians and where is egypt? top tip of africa? humm i wonder who ran slaves first? ofcorse some say egyptians were from black stock and some say a mix of the region.but the language has been traced down into africa.and who to this day practices to this day slavery?? black stock in africa to this day. people get slaughtered over there for what/ nothing. but yet the white man is the devil. im just showing how people in america have such soft minds and for some reason never seem to want to research anything. what ever they were taught in school or on t.v thats good enough for them.
im not against the usa or it's people but rather our corrupt goverment thats killing us over greed.i know b4 u tell me im off in lala land, and im evil to use my brain and think this way.sorry thats how my mind is built i guess.lol and 1 more thing i love god and believe in jesus and i've learned more by my self than i ever have in any church so no im not some crazy christian lol sorry i have been told this.

I'm just going to comment on the comments on fat girls. Now your saying that because a fat white woman chooses to engage in a relationship with a black man she somehow does not respect her “culture”. It's human nature to be attracted to people that like you for what you are. Indeed one of the better things about America is that some dictator can't tell us that whites can't associate with blacks or that all races must just associate with one another. It's called freedom, the freedom to choose who you wish to associate with, I happen to like my freedom. What is it that you think is wrong with a white woman that chooses to associate with blacks?

As for why the white man in America is often targeted as the evil slave master is because it's one of the most recent example's of mass state sanctioned slavery. Also slaves were treated in an inhuman manner much of the time, they were not thought of as equals so people didn't exactly go out of their way to treat them as such. How would you like to be “owned” and to be treated as if you were some lesser being because of the color of your skin. Made to do whatever your owner wanted without question, when you get whipped when you show even the slightest signs of dissent you learn to just do what your told without question. You also learn not to complain about your living conditions or working conditions, unless you like getting beat. To live in such a time when your whole life was to serve a most often cruel master, with very little hope of anything ever getting better does not sound like a whole lot of fun to me. The way that most animals (and don't kid yourself, man is an animal) establish who is the boss is through pain, either physical or mental. Today in gang culture we still see this, how does one move up in a gang? or even get into some gangs. There are some gangs that you have to get "beat" into. This is merely a way of showing what level you hold in the gang, we are being shown who is boss in effect.

Most of what I have learned has been through my own desire to better understand the world that I live in. I hated school and dropped out in the 10th grade, I went 2 weeks after and got my GED. I've since taken a few college courses but have yet to decide what I want to do for the rest of my life. I know that whatever it is it's not going to be working for some rich prick making him more money at the expense of me.

As for religion, I'm an Atheist, I have been since I reached the age of reason. I've gone to church, hell last week I went to a revival, and that is part of the reason I took a while to respond to this thread. Lets just say mister messenger of God really pissed me off with his “Army Of Satan” rhetoric complete with faulty reasoning. Not to mention the great cold reads he pulled off, not that it's all to hard with a room full of people that are willing to believe anything you say. Couple that with his kindergarten understanding of evolution and I was not all to happy after the event.

But I have to say the part that really pissed me off was when he pulled out the donation baskets. Then proceeded to launch into a 30 minute rant about all the bad things he was not going to do with your money. Like he felt guilty because he was going to do something bad with your money. And then in the middle of the rant start talking about how faith is all about giving and that God only helps those that give.

I did however manage to not interrupt the guy or cause and disturbances, as it does not require religion as he suggested to have respect.

socrateez
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject:

I watched this recently:

THE END OF SUBURBIA: Oil Depletion and the Collapse of The American Dream
http://www.endofsuburbia.com/
And:
Money as Debt
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
Anyone else find this frightening? Is this what FEMA is preparing for?

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