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If been curious as to what the common methods of curing are. I have read posts regarding this affecting final product outcome. I know shit about this so enlighten me.
If methods and techniques are esoteric, thats fine.
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OK, That'll keep me busy reading!  Thanx! |
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I forgot those were still around  (OG FAQ's.....).... (heavy sigh.............now your going to have me dwelling on days gone by  .....
2's typical,(jarred) most widely practiced....but, lot of opinions on it, and, depends on amount also..(can jar ps, smaller amounts, larger?, different ways needed...jars not practical....
Good cure makes all the difference and definitely increases potency over time. From minimal (10-12 days?) to month....to 2....to 3....every week that go by huge difference...
(Some prefer trim wet, easier, some prefer trim dry, etc...lot of little nuances but basically the same....)
Edit: Before we get into that again.....it does not increase potency,(per se). It reaches it's potential the longer the cure.. 10% strain 3% wet.....etc...5% dry....etc....with cure...hits potential. Good cure makes huge difference.....(and all characteristics...taste, aroma.....etc)Same with hash, kief, etc... |
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I was clueless that cure had such a impact.
I gotta learn more. This shit has gone way beyond: Stick seed in ground, water, watch, water more, pull it, dry it, smoke it. At least if you want anything worth the effort.
My Dad always said; "Anything worth doing, is worth doing right." |
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Dry and cure man...makes all the difference.....hold on a sec, let me look through there and see if I can find exact explanations. (Can find quicker than I can explain....)
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This shit has gone way beyond: Stick seed in ground, water, watch, water more, pull it, dry it, smoke it.
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Not at all, you just missed veg till established, prep hole, and cure ....otherwise....pretty much sums it up Not rocket science
Here you go man.
First direct link
Second write up
Actually above insinuates maintenance.....lot of people running no maintenance...all depends on your rainfall...Region gives you enough rainfall during season...(minus month of finishing...) might not even have to water at all
As little as 2" a month might be enough if good hole, water retention crystals...etc.....(If good native soil..(some places yes, some no)...can amend as little as just adding dry mix in hole and a top feed....top feed or drip line being dry mix of organic nutes spread around base to potential drip line of plant, etc....)
Curing?
Not much of a debate.....little personal preference here and there....all agree across the board more or less...
Drying?...now there's a subject which strong opinions can get out of hand  ...especially outdoors
Region and rainfall play a strong role in how much maintenance and prep is required..ie: Is native soil good?, or is full hole and amendments needed...
If good soil?,...maybe minimal effort on hole (minimal prep...minimal amendments, minimal effort on hole(s)....)
Also of interest, is you will find while a proper dry and cure can increase potency ....An improper dry and cure also can decrease potency
Note: Curing of hash.....rare to find any mention...but, I just read through one of those, and actually mentions it......very surprised...Very few are aware of cure issues regarding hash.... |
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I'll be reading and digesting the content of those links before I ask another grow-noob question. 
Even if I never grow, I love to know new things!
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Unfortunately for us all, this is not an issue that can be summed up in a few words or links or a just by saying "this is how it works and thats that". But to get one issue out of the way, I concur that improper dries and cures will decrease potency no matter what.
In fact, if you do a proper search, you will find the issue debated on other message boards, or otherwise completely contradicting information as to whether curing really does anything to increase cannabinoid production.
To answer the question at hand, I tried to look at the relevant scientific information first, then other sources.
The first main factor is this - curing cannabis is a process of drying. The remaining water trapped within plant tissues is removed from the plant. This will reduce the overall weight of plant material to THC, which will up the percent THC by dry weight. In this sense, curing (and drying) can be said to increase the amount of THC within the dried plant, but it is not creating more THC, which needs to be understood as a separate thing.
So the real question is whether metabolism continues within the resin heads of cannabis after it is harvested in such a way that is producing more THC (or THC acid).
Primary sources I have found are lacking, and I am unable to access better scientific mediums like jstor or pubmed for a more complete search. I would hope someone who does have access to those mediums (on-campus students anyone?) can find such resources and let us know what they come up with.
Other sources claim different things. The division on the issue seems almost 50/50, sites like these say that curing will not increase potency after harvest
http://users.lycaeum.org/~sky/data/grow/c21.html
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Curing is a process employed to naturally enhance the bouquet, flavour, and texture of marijuana. Curing does not lower potency when done correctly, although poor curing methods often result in some less of THC.
Curing is not an essential procedure, and many growers prefer the "natural" flavour of uncured grass. Sweet sinsemilla buds usually are not cured.
Curing is most successful on plants which have "ripened" and are beginning to lose chlorophyll. It is less successful on growing tips and other vigorous parts which are immature. These parts may only lose some chlorophyll.
Curing proceeds while the leaf is still alive, for until it dries, many of the leaf's life processes continue. Since the leaf's ability to produce sugars is thwarted, it breaks down stored starch to simple sugars, which are used for food. This gives the grass a sweet or earthy aroma and taste. At the same time, many of the complex proteins and pigments, such as chlorophyll, are broken down in enzymatic processes. This changes the colour of the leaf from green to various shades of yellow, brown, tan, or red, depending primarily on the variety, but also on growing environment and cure technique. The destruction of chlorophyll eliminates the minty taste that is commonly associated with green homegrown.
There are several methods of curing, most of which were originally designed to cure large quantities of tobacco. Some of them can be modified by the home grower to use for small marijuana harvests as well as large harvests. The methods used to cure marijuana are the air, flue, sweat, sun, and water cures.
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Erowid.org does not seem to have any information unfortunately that I could find.
Other forums like these argue the issue of curing and potency-
http://www.greenpassion.org/harvest-hash-kief-curing/1846-how-much-extra-potency-does-curing-provied-3.html
http://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/17427-how-increase-potency.html
This is a Q/A from the hightimes website-
http://www.hightimes.com/ht/grow/content.php?page=act_growshow&id=422&totalrecords=1000
It like many websites will make the point that no one contends, that cured cannabis usually has a better aroma and flavor, and perhaps better look.
Some like these (and the Over Grow FAQ) claim THC is further produced after harvest if curing is done properly. Most of their arguments break down as follows:
http://www.mellowgold.com/grow/mjbotany-removed/marijuanabotany4.html
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Certain metabolic activities take place for some time, much like the ripening and eventual spoiling of an apple after it is picked. During this period, cannabinoid acids decarboxylate into the psychoactive cannabinoids and terpenes isomerize to create new polyterpenes with tastes and aromas different from fresh floral clusters. It is suspected that cannabinoid biosynthesis may also continue for a short time after harvest. Taste and aroma also improve as chlorophylls and other pigments begin to break down. When floral clusters are dried slowly they are kept at a humidity very near that of the inside of the stomata.
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Another gives slightly differing information with the same conclusion (stating decarboxylation is taking place during the curing process, converting THC acid to THC)
http://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/18291-does-curing-affect-potency.html
In summary, the argument is 2 fold, that CBD undergoes metabolic processes that convert it to THC acid, and that THC acid is converted to THC through decarboxylation within the resin head of the trichome.
Now remember THC is not made as THC within the plant, allegedly 95%+ of THC is actually in the form of THC acid, which bears an additional COOH group (AND, the link above claimed that someone said even with curing, only roughly 5% of THC acid is converted to THC). Hmmmmm… So lets check out some chemistry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoids
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In the cannabis plant THC occurs mainly as tetrahydrocannabinol carboxylic acid (THC-COOH). The enzymatic condensation of geranyl pyrophosphate and olivetolic acid gives cannabigerolic acid which is cyclized by the enzyme THC acid synthase to give THC-COOH. Heating decarboxylates the acid to THC.
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This means THC starts as a non-psychoactive cannabinoid that must undergo the process of decarboxylation to become psychoactive. The process of decarboxylation is usually done via the application of heat, which releases the COOH group and converts THC acid to THC. What this seems to mean is that nearly all the THC within a cannabis plant isn’t THC at all, its THC acid, and it must undergo the process of decarboxylation to become psychoactive THC. And to decarboxylate, THC acid must be heated.
There is no real academic information that states that decarboxylation ever happens at any point in the plant's lifetime, let alone continues within the cannabis plant after harvest. I would like to see information otherwise, since I tried looking for it.
There is also no scientific information that states that CBD within the plant is further converted to THC acid through "metabolic processes" within the plant during the curing process. I would be curious to know the exact metabolic processes that allegedly continue and how they happen. Evaporation is not a sufficient answer, unless the answer coincides with a scientific article that tested it and shows how evaporation produces metabolic pathways for the conversion of THC acid to THC. This could be possible, as the conversion of water to different states gives off heat (hmmm have to check my science books on the exact process of that so correct me if I am wrong…). But would it be enough? THC is decarboxylated usually by heat (any other chemical pathways???), but I do not know how much heat is needed to convert THC acid to THC (remember that the vaporization point, ie boiling point, of THC is 200 degrees C.)
Another little factoid to consider in all this is that once a plant is harvested and THC production has stopped, at some point the THC (whether THC or THC acid) will start to break down and convert to less psychoactive CBN. Light will amplify this metabolic process. This is the only known metabolic process occurring after harvesting that I can find literature on.
Also another little point to consider, is that it doesn’t matter if THC acid is or isn’t converted to THC within the plant; THC acid will be converted to psychoactive THC when you heat it by applying flame (will it be converted by extracting it with butter, alcohol, butane, or other solvents? I think so but I am too lazy to go research it right now LoL… Someone find out!). But whether or not a metabolic process is occuring that allows for the decarboxylation of THC acid to THC (which I am unaware of in any scientific literature), it would not matter since it all gets decarboxylated anyway!
So that means that even if curing converts THC acid to THC, it isn’t creating more usable THC for someone to smoke, since all the THC acid will be converted to usable THC anyway when you smoke the plant (which would make the conversion process of THC acid to THC within the plant useless really). Perhaps the THC acid must be converted to THC before metabolizing to CBN, and this is what is happening in the plant after harvest, but I am unaware of this being the case.
The last factor then, does curing metabolize CBD into more THC? I don’t know, and neither does anyone else it really seems. Someone can post a link saying it does.. And someone else can post a link saying it doesn’t. I think the issue really needs some scientific study or at least research into the scientific literature before a clear consensus is made on the issue. The conversion of CBD within the plant to THC acid would indeed increace the potency of a particular harvested bud, and so if such is the case then a tried and true proper method for attaining this metabolic conversion should be found and published for use.
In my opinion though it would not make sense to me that CBD is converted to THC after the plant is cut from it’s stem and usable light for photosynthesis is taken away (ie harvest). This would mean a metabolic process for cannabinoid production is occurring without the need for photosynthesis and direct usable light (which is what stimulates cannabinoid production), and again, this just doesn’t make sense to me, but may in fact be possible. But to my knowledge after harvest THC can only degrade, though one can slow this degradation, which is something curing will do.
So summary?
What curing will definately do if done right: Give better aroma, taste, look, and up THC% as compared to dry weight.
What curing may do if done right: Convert CBD to THC, which will increase the potency of the finished product without fail as you are creating more THC, and convert THC acid to THC.
Curing may also be wasteful (ie. not needed, unless you merely wish to dry bud out more for that aroma/flavor), as it could be possible that as soon as a plant is harvested, the metabolic breakdown of THC occurs and converts it to CBN, so waiting a month or more for it to cure could be rather useless as the THC content may be at whatever peak it will be at when you harvest, and only degrade over time.
Though the degrading of THC to CBN may be very slow as compared to any of the above processes and may not be a factor. Again it is my opinion that more real research needs to be done on the issue before someone makes up their mind. |
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Thank you High Man for the informative and unbiased research!
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Your skill at googling is unmatched.....this is unquestionable.....
(There are not many recognized experts in the field......Max at High Times, and forum comments don't fall among those.
Tell us, in your own words, what your experiences have shown...(please, all specific details ......
Should be easy.......you have stated you are a "pro"...to ask to exhibit such isn't unusual.....
Tell us about your experiences.......specific strains....results....methods......veg time .....nutes...dosage.......all details....
I'm very curious......
Surely someone of your knowledge and expertise has quite a bit to say.....
(Not interested in cut and paste statements that google returns the source it was lifted from.......)
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Can you also explain these comments from other thread?
I found them interesting since all of the highest yielding and most efficient methods call for the least amount of veg time. (even in Amsterdam)
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Most any seed needs to undergo some period of vegetation and then flowering. You can veg for a month or 2 with any seed before flowering but its not going to give you much bud as there is not enough time for the plant to store up sugars needed for calyx formation (or develop stems, leaves, etc).
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And if you would be so kind....
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Aside from an auto-flowering strain that allows for this to happen, the only possibility I know of would be to grow in an advanced setup such as one employing aeroponics, which will drastically increase production time and does allow for harvest within a few months time. Suffice to say, sure it could be done, but it ain't easy.
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Interesting.
1.Why is aero considered "more advanced"?....what makes it "more advanced" than any other method?
2.So aeroponics drastically increases production time?
How is that possible since finishing time is universal? regrdless of method?
3. How does aero allow for "a harvest in a few months time"?
What do other methods call for? |
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| High Man wrote: | Your comments joe are out of line and off topic.
Nothing in your first post makes any sense or has anything to do with the issue at hand or what I said.
My personal experiences also would have no bearing on the matter. This is a scientific issue that should be held in a scientific matter. Anecdotal accounts are not good evidence of anything (unless say a poster gathered "good" data from scientific testing using good methodology and controls).
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Then why did you reference "Max" from High Times....and not the 2 most recognized in the field?......
So which is it?.....
I merely asked reasonable, rational questions, which were in direct relation to topic....
Since such can support what is already documented, I see it as everything to do with issue.
Do you not wish to answer?, or are you unable to answer........
You wish to discuss and take part in a topic but refuse to state any direct experience or knowledge?........
Very reasonable questions.......
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If you read my posts, I point out methods that can shorten the time needed for traditional maturation of the plant. Now the statement of mine you had taken out of context was implying more conventional methods of growing (ie. soil, outdoors), as opposed to areo, hydro, sog, etc.
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Please, point out methods.......I would like to know all your personal commentary on such....
I am sure others could gain quite a bit from such expertise.
If not?....then why are you here?....
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Really I don't even know why you are bringing any of this up other than to try and stir conflict.
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Because this is a grow forum....
I am not sure why you see my completely valid questions as "stirring conflict".....
They were presented quite reasonably.....
If you want to share?......
Then share.....
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Again if you read my posts, you can clearly see I am merely using areoponics as one example out of many. I could have chosen hydro or sog or something else as mentioned above.
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Well, what would be other examples.....
Your obviously here to share your wealth of information and experience.....
So do so......
I asked reasonable, rational questions, fairly polite......for the benefit of all.......yet you do not address......
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It is more advanced because it is not using soil (duh) and is employing more technique than "put in soil and water".
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How does that different from all other methods which also are soiless?....
What is the significance and how would it compare to all other similar methods....
(In your experience.....strains and feeding schedules also.....because all have relevance....)
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I don't know what you are talking about and what you are trying to confuse.
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My question was very straightforward in response to your statement.......
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Advanced techniques will usually allow one to cut down the vegetation time and allow for increased cannabinoid production.
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So........what would such techniques be?.....
Are you saying methods that are not "advanced" require more veg time?....
What would those methods be?
Which are advanced, and which qualifies as not advanced....
I think it's important people know this.....
This is the reason we are here.....
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Finishing time, if you are referring to flowering time, is dependant upon the plant, but usually is about 2 months for most strains I am familiar with.
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Yes, finishing time is flowering time the world over. Universal phrase.
Why don't you tell us about which strains, and, your experiences, and, the best times to cut them...
I am sure many could find such information invaluable......
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So using an advanced technique one could potentially in theory veg for a month - month and a half and flower for a month and a half or so.
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Could you please name all strains that flower for a month and a half?
So your stating that in "non advanced" techniques, veg time is longer?
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But really all this was explained in the link I provided, why didn't you read it?
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Actually the above were not.
The curing links I did not read. There are recognized experts in the field. These are usually whose information I rely on as accurate.
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Atomized water is sprayed directly onto roots in a soiless medium, allowing for rapid growth.
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What exactly, and how does that relate to "harvest in a few months time"?
Other methods do not achieve "rapid growth"?
So your saying a strains finishing time is lengthened or reduced depending on the method and system one utilizes?
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Please clarify the above so that others may gain great knowledge, but, you left out all specifics......
I assume just an oversight......
Something else btw.....
Your statement above mentions vegging for a month or a month and a half in an aero system?
Is this correct? (it says so in your quote.....just making sure this is your statement.....)
What aero set ups are your experiences with?...
(system, strains, lighting, nutes)
I am sure readers would be able to draw a great amount of information from this.
Just looking for confirmation since aero is usually 0 veg time, and above you say "aero,soil,hydro,sog", when Sog can be practiced in any of the above. SOG is merely tight spacing, regardless of medium, system, or lighting chosen.It is not a system or a method, but it appears as though you mistakenly included it as such...
I'd like to hear more, as I am sure others would, about "advanced techniques".....
Soil is not? You state aero is.....what about coco with drippers?....what about E&F/hydroton/coco/RW?....what about DWC? What about all other methods?....
Does that mean everything but soil is "advanced"?
I'm trying to understand this position since the top medical facility in the Netherlands runs soil in all their ops......You did say all the best labs and product were there, so, seems odd to me they wouldn't be utilizing all the most "advanced techniques"....
Doesn't it?
I'm eager for you to share your extensive experience and knowledge......
Should be quite enlightening......
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Then why did you reference "Max" from High Times....and not the 2 most recognized in the field?......
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Who are the 2 most recognized experts in the field of cannabis curing?
As I have stated numerous times, if others have scientific information and sources that can point people in the right direction to answer this issue, then so be it.
As I stated in my post, I was using one example out of many, but every source is secondary, without any real scientific articles explaining the matter (to my knowledge) Why do you have to try and nit pick and get off the topic at hand?
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I merely asked reasonable, rational questions, which were in direct relation to topic....
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How is asking questions from another thread in an effort to engage me in points you have already been refuted on rational, reasonable, and relating to the topic at hand, which is curing cannabis?
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Since such can support what is already documented, I see it as everything to do with issue.
Do you not wish to answer?, or are you unable to answer........ You wish to discuss and take part in a topic but refuse to state any direct experience or knowledge?........
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Since such can support what is already documented? What is already documented? What are you talking about?
No one has direct knowledge with this issue unless they wrote or read a scientfic paper that explains the issue.
I have given my knowledge of the issue in my post.
I have tried to explain the chemistry of what is going on inside the cannabis plant and the matter of decarboxylation and rationalize what may be happening in the cannabis plant after harvest and during the process of curing.
I do not know what your alleged "curing experts" say but I have merely been stating the plain biology of the matter. I doubt those experts put cannabis plants under rigrous study to examine the issue and find a clear answer. Maybe they did. I don't know, why don't you post us the actual resources instead of merely saying they exist so we can check them and see what they say. If you are referring to the links you provided, they are no more experts than Max at high times, and they clearly did not do any real scientific data gathering into the issue.
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Please, point out methods.......I would like to know all your personal commentary on such....
I am sure others could gain quite a bit from such expertise.
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I am sure you would love to know, but really anyone can go and research for themselves, they do not need me to tell them. Please try and stay on topic.
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If not?....then why are you here?....
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To correct all the incorrect things you say of course!
But seriously, I ask you the same question, why are you here joe, to just repeat yourself?
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Because this is a grow forum....
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SO WHAT????
Find something better to do man.
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I am not sure why you see my completely valid questions as "stirring conflict".....
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Because they are pointless and off topic and have nothing to do with anything at hand, you are just trying to goad me.
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Well, what would be other examples.....
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I gave some already. Perhaps you should do research for yourself, this is something I personally emphasize.
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Your obviously here to share your wealth of information and experience.....
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Only when I want to correct misinformation or share what I know.
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My question was very straightforward in response to your statement.......
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No it isn't, perhaps you should rephrase. Or better yet drop it all together, since it is off topic and quite pointless.
You go on a rant asking a bunch of questions but I ask all the same questions of you joe, since you proclaim yourself a library of information, why don't you tell us, cause I don't have the time and do not care to engage you in off topic nonsense.
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The curing links I did not read. There are recognized experts in the field. These are usually whose information I rely on as accurate.
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I know you didn't read them. Who are these recognized experts that you speak of in this aformentioned field? What field, botany, biology, cannabis curing? What are their credentials, you know, what kind of degrees do they have?
Are they really experts or just some guys on the internet saying some stuff. Cause I think its the latter and not the former.
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What exactly, and how does that relate to "harvest in a few months time"?
Other methods do not achieve "rapid growth"?
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I never said other methods didn't (I said they did, I only used areo as one example of many. Again, you clearly are not bothering to read my posts and then take statements I make out of context and write something ridiculous about them). If you cannot understand why/how rapid growth will relate to harvest time, then you are hopeless. I am not here to talk about basic biology when all the information you are asking has either already been posted to you or is available to you with a quick google search.
Why must you take statements out of context and then go and imply nonsense that I never said? Stop trying to goad me and get off topic!
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So your saying a strains finishing time is lengthened or reduced depending on the method and system one utilizes?
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If you actually read my post you would know the answer already joe!
Why don't you first try by answering everything I brought up in my initial post about curing?
Oh and joe, since you are on the topic of off topic questions, how are those trichomes doing? Do they still stay on due to heavy wind and rains? And is Amsterdam cannabis still crap compared to Mexican brick? Is the level of THC to CBD still fixed throughout the life of the plant? |
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Who are the 2 most recognized experts in the field of cannabis curing?
As I have stated numerous times, if others have scientific information and sources that can point people in the right direction to answer this issue, then so be it.
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They were referenced in above links.....
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As I stated in my post, I was using one example out of many, but every source is secondary, without any real scientific articles explaining the matter (to my knowledge) Why do you have to try and nit pick and get off the topic at hand?
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My questions were absolutely reasonable, and relevant.
I don't see why you keep avoiding specific questions.
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How is asking questions from another thread in an effort to engage me in points you have already been refuted on rational, reasonable, and relating to the topic at hand, which is curing cannabis?
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Why do you again refuse to answer reasonable, rational, and specific questions for benefit to all?
This is a forum dedicated to sharing information.
If you refuse to share information, then what exactly are you doing here?
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Since such can support what is already documented? What is already documented? What are you talking about?
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My questions are very clear and concise.
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No one has direct knowledge with this issue unless they wrote or read a scientfic paper that explains the issue.
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Aside from 2 foremost experts in Marijuana Botany.
2. Every professional grower has significant input. You claimed you were such and I asked you to offer specifics of such.
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I have given my knowledge of the issue in my post.
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So you have no experience with any methods, strains you can share?
With all due respect, the above was a series of cut and paste's.....
I asked for specific commentary on subject. This is not an unreasonable or unusual request, and, most with such experience would have volumes to add.
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I do not know what your alleged "curing experts" say but I have merely been stating the plain biology of the matter. I doubt those experts put cannabis plants under rigrous study to examine the issue and find a clear answer. Maybe they did. I don't know, why don't you post us the actual resources instead of merely saying they exist so we can check them and see what they say. If you are referring to the links you provided, they are no more experts than Max at high times, and they clearly did not do any real scientific data gathering into the issue.
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The short articles above, and your comment above refers to two of the highest regarded men in cannabis botany.
Please review the above if still unaware who those men are. You seem to have missed it the first time.
Obviously an oversight. I understand.
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I am sure you would love to know, but really anyone can go and research for themselves, they do not need me to tell them. Please try and stay on topic.
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Why do you continue to refuse to address reasonable and rational questions?......
"theory" and practice are 2 different things.
Your above statement insinuates we should discuss nothing, since everyone can "research for themselves"....
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To correct all the incorrect things you say of course!
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You haven't answered a single direct and specific question posed that requires more than a link.....
Are we back to flaming and insults because you are unable to answer the simple questions posed to you?
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But seriously, I ask you the same question, why are you here joe, to just repeat yourself?
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Answering a question with a question is not an answer.
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SO WHAT????
Find something better to do man.
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I stated this is a grow forum, and, you stated the above.
You come to a grow forum, you tout superior knowledge and expertise, you refuse to answer questions posed to you, and then tell people to "go find something better to do"?
(Just pointing that out......)
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Because they are pointless and off topic and have nothing to do with anything at hand, you are just trying to goad me.
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My questions were valid questions, posed fairly polite, easily answered.
I fail to see how in any way, shape, or form it is anything but.....I asked questions, you refuse to answer......
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I gave some already. Perhaps you should do research for yourself, this is something I personally emphasize.
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I asked for others.
Once again, why would one who possesses superior knowledge refuse to answer questions about growing on a grow forum and tell others to "go research yourself".
The purpose of a forum is to discuss knowledge, and experience, and help others.
You do none of the above, refuse to, and tell everyone seek information elsewhere....
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Only when I want to correct misinformation or share what I know.
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You have refused 4 different times above to "share what you know".
I am not sure, but I have the feeling it will continue.
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You go on a rant asking a bunch of questions but I ask all the same questions of you joe, since you proclaim yourself a library of information, why don't you tell us, cause I don't have the time and do not care to engage you in off topic nonsense.
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How is asking questions (politely I may add) a "rant"......
You were posed questions, refuse to answer, and you ask me to answer......
I asked reasonable questions......
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I know you didn't read them. Who are these recognized experts that you speak of in this aformentioned field? What field, botany, biology, cannabis curing? What are their credentials, you know, what kind of degrees do they have?
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Your discussing topic but not aware?
Botany (Clarke) and Chemistry (Starkes)
You refuse to answer reasonable questions, asked politely....you tell me and assuming others to go research elsewhere......and then you ask me another question?
I, and others, are waiting for answers to the questions posed....
Your tone is starting to revert to previous at easily answered questions......
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I never said other methods didn't (I said they did, I only used areo as one example of many. Again, you clearly are not bothering to read my posts and then take statements I make out of context and write something ridiculous about them). If you cannot understand why/how rapid growth will relate to harvest time, then you are hopeless.
I am not here to talk about basic biology when all the information you are asking has either already been posted to you or is available to you with a quick google search.
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I asked specific questions, which again you refuse to answer.
I quoted your statements, and asked for clarification.
You did not answer. (and called me hopeless.....)
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Why must you take statements out of context and then go and imply nonsense that I never said? Stop trying to goad me and get off topic!
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You make a statement, then are questions about said statement, you don't answer, and you accuse of "goading you........"
I have never claimed such,(Out of context) and stand behind every statement made aside from a typo.
Your statement were not taken out of context. At all.
Once again you attempt to divert attention to your refusal to answer simple questions.
You made statements, they were quoted word for word.
Nothing was taken out of context.
Or are you trying to say something else? I stand by every statement I make. I don't need excuses.
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If you actually read my post you would know the answer already joe!
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Your not addressing questions.
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Oh and joe, since you are on the topic of off topic questions, how are those trichomes doing? Do they still stay on due to heavy wind and rains?
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I have made my statements on the matter.
Why not provide yours.
Please provide your experiences with outdoors, and various conditions and spots, and strains used, and all dietary information, and how they support your position.
I'm confused.........
You attempt to contradict all my statements, yet when your asked for specific information and commentary, you refuse to answer, tell me seek information elsewhere.
Yet another question above is posed.
Are you going to answer simple questions posed to you?, or ignore, advise others to seek the answers elsewhere, and hint at beginning to insult.
No statement I have made has been impolite.
No question I have asked has been unreasonable.
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And is Amsterdam cannabis still crap compared to Mexican brick?
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After you answer the above questions, feel free to provide me link to any quote.
I think what others will find (as you already know) is I stated Adam is kiefed, easy cut and no cure in many cases (high volume commercial ops), and that there really is not many environments that are better than Mexico.
Why do you refuse to answer simple questions, and quote my statements incorrectly. Thread is there. Statement is also.
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Is the level of THC to CBD still fixed throughout the life of the plant? |
Why are you not answering all questions posed to you, and bringing up issues I already clearly stated my position on?
How about another question?
Why don't you answer the above regarding your experience, all systems, and all strains.
You refuse to answer questions.....you advice others to seek information elsewhere.....
You have been asked several very simple questions, all very important to people, especially new growers.....
So?, answer.
Your entire post addressed nothing asked. I assure you, it's not getting by as many as you think.
How about another question?....
What would you say your area of expertise is, and experience(how long, including methods, strains, and dietary including supplemental/additives)
You have been posed now several question, which you have already skipped over once.
Questions remain, regardless of next posts....I am not alone in wishing them addressed in detail.....
Or would it just be nevermind, which was my initial suspicion.......
Questions above. (earlier posts and this one...not one answered......) |
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