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socrateez
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Impact of Felony Disenfranchisement
• An estimated 5.3 million Americans, or one in forty-one adults, have currently or permanently lost their voting rights as a result of a felony conviction.
• 1.4 million African American men, or 13% of black men, are disenfranchised, a rate seven times the national average.
• An estimated 676,730 women are currently ineligible to vote as a result of a felony conviction.
• More than 2 million1 white Americans (Hispanic and non-Hispanic)2 are disenfranchised.
• In five states that deny the vote to ex-offenders, one in four black men is permanently disenfranchised.
• Given current rates of incarceration, three in ten of the next generation of black men can expect to be disenfranchised at some point in their lifetime. In states that disenfranchise ex-offenders, as many as 40% of black men may permanently lose their right to vote.
• 2.1 million disenfranchised persons are ex-offenders who have completed their sentences. The state of Florida had an estimated 960,000 ex-felons who were unable to vote in the 2004 presidential election.
So tell me, who's going to be left to vote in another ten years or so?
[/url]http://www.sentencingproject.org/Admin/Documents/publications/fd_bs_fdlawsinus.pdf
Taken from:
http://elections.gmu.edu/Voter_Turnout_FAQ.htm#felons |
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socrateez
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| Oh yeah, another site cited that disenfranchised Americans are more likely to be Independent or democrat in political thought. |
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sharpend43
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thats where some of you have a different view point than I do. Blood , yes blood VON!!
I was at a scene where a 21 year old shot and killed another twenty something and killed him over 2 pds of yr 'peace' drug. That is the tip of the iceberg. Wake up.
I do agree hard drugs are only worse.
I say that because to ignore that violence and illicit money is to really not see the whole picture. Big money= big motive!!
I am trying to see all your points. Are you really trying to see mine.?? Or are you disregarding it just like you do the shootings, burglaries, etc that are on the news every night. Which many are drug related. |
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limburger
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You know I really hate doing this but sharpened you are highly mistaken,
| Quote: | | I was at a scene where a 21 year old shot and killed another twenty something and killed him over 2 pds of yr 'peace' drug. That is the tip of the iceberg. Wake up. |
So the pot caused the murder? That's bullshit. You are the one who needs to wake up sharpened. Some dumbass deciding to pull out a gun isn't caused by pot. It's caused by an irresponsible decision. If you are trying to claim this than I feel very sorry for you sir, because you are one of the most ignorant people I have witnessed. Drugs don't make you do bad things it's your stupid ass choice that makes things happen. Dear god you are talking like marijuana is some kind of fucking mind control device and those who smoke, touch, deal it are doomed to a life of murder and crime. Your pathetic. Blame the dumbass who pulled the gun and shot another human being. It was his own fucking choice.....not the pot. Now if your refering to some crackhead who spends every waking moment of there life looking for there fix....than maybe...just maybe they could do something they might regret, but don't make a mistake by trying to say that pot smokers are all in the same group.
Look at how many people have committed crimes or made mistakes under the influence of alcohol. Now if you want to talk about people making poor decisions than there's your direction.
| Quote: | | "I am trying to see all your points. Are you really trying to see mine.??" |
Sharpened not only do I see your point but I lived under the same morale roof as you for many years. Only I finally stopped just listening to what everyone had to say about marijuana and I went out and did my own research. I am a 100% pothead and I love it. I pay my taxes, have a great job. So I'm living my "points"........ I suggest you start doing your own research.
| Quote: | | ok, if the majority of folks in the US want to legalize it then do it. |
We've got ourselves a genuine einstien here. Here's a news flash...... We've tried to get it legalized....people like you who possess the infinite knowledge of the universe though have kept that from happening.
| Quote: | | i see the blood and the destroyed families and kids. Do you??? |
Hell yeah!!!!! families are ripped apart and people die over a plant!!!!! something that has been growing on this earth for thousands of years. Although you give this as an example of what marijuana does to people, but you do this to people. Everyone like you in the law enforcement community have caused more deaths and destroyed more families than marijuana itself.
| Quote: | | People who are high get into car accidents, have industrial accidents, and both I have seen kill people. |
People who are drunk get into car accidents.... pure stupidity gets people into industrial accidents, and yes all can cause death. So why don't we do a 180 and make alcohol illegal? Why don't we fire people for being stupid and causing accidents at work? Where are all these great statistics your getting sharpened? Industrial accidents caused by the notorious pot smoker? Wheres the numbers? I want to see them... Pure stupidity causes more accidents every day than marijuana.....but marijuana is to blame for all problems right?
| Quote: | | The illicit profits create motive for countless shootings and murders. this I have witnessed first hand. |
So legalize it and tax the hell out of it. God people this is what we have been saying since the beginning of the legalization movement. This shit you are trying to blame on marijuana is actually caused by prohibition itself. Take a look at the history books. People like you back in the alcohol prohibition days had the same exact shit to say. Finally you all grew some fucking braincells and decided to destroy the problem where it all began. prohibition.
Sharpened you take this stance as if all of us on these boards want to just create a circus once marijuana is legalized. We want it controlled much the same way alcohol is. I want responsible "ADULT" use. Not some kid at the school rec yard. I don't want some dumbass ripped out of his gorde driving me to the airport on the busy highways.
Believe it or not I have the utmost respect for law enforcement. Hell i'm an ex-military man. If it wasn't for these institutions we would not be able to enjoy the rights or safety we witness daily, but people like you who throw out a bunch of bullshit really do make me sick. |
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trober
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Jerry Garcia
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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if both these 21 year old guys were able to grow there own 'peace drug' there paths would never have crossed, O' and by the way 'its not my peace drug' GOD put it on our green planet for man to enjoy. good day mate.
peace & compassion |
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trober
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: god |
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god spoke through a burning bush
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Brute4291
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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sharp, This shooting would have been prevented if it were legalized. Like someone else said if they grew there own, but also if they could purchase it from a store just like booze or cigarettes.
there are no shootings over booze or cig's, because they are readily available and there when you want them. |
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sharpend43
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: |
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i agree that the shooting may have been prevented if marijuana was legalized. but as of today its not.
I have to deal with the mess of today.
And someone asked if marijuana caused the shooting?
Ahhh, no, but the shooter told us in an interview.... the guy he shot had shorted him on a previous marijuana deal. that was his reason to shoot him.
Does that mean marijuana caused it,? you decide! |
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sharpend43
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject:
sharpend43 wrote:
ok, if the majority of folks in the US want to legalize it then do it. / i see the blood and the destroyed families and kids. Do you???
Blood and destroyed families over smoking? get real! When has a potsmoker ever done anything violent that was caused by smoking?
The only violence I've seen is due to the black market caused by prohibition.
So kids are hurt by pot? Another lie created to keep the sheeple afraid of the potwolf. In my life the kids around me were harmed by alcohol, pills, and guns. We smoked a lot, nobody died from that.
If you're going to make bullshit claims you had better back them up with specifics and not generalities.
Also most of America has lost total interest in the political system. As long as a majority of senior citizens (who have drank the drug war cool-aid) vote, and realistic people refuse to vote or are too busy, (look up the stats on who votes) we will have an imbalance of representation.
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Some of what you say is true.
But shootings , murders etc do happen over marijuna..... just because you say it aint so, doesnt change the fact it does.
I have seen it. most people are harmed over hard drugs, I agree.
I say if you can carry the congress, then legalize it. i will obey the law of the land.
is marijuana different than crack and heroin, for sure. But the illegality of it, that in part contributes to the criminal elements love of its distribution etc.
it is a huge cash crop! dont even tell me its not.
I have seized large amounts of money that came from marijuana distribution. Thats where the criminality starts, big money attracts big criminals.....and little criminals.... and then the side nonsense starts. burgs, guns shootings, .
the same thing goes on with other illegal drugs, its just higher profile is all.
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dawsonspaw
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Like what was stated earlier,the shooting was related to the illegality of it,but it didn't cause it. I believe you,and see your point,I understand you see the ugly side of the war on drugs...but Pot in itself never killed anyone,next are you gonna argue that we are not supposed to eat beef,because someone killed the cow?
You are driving that argument into the ground,Do us a favor,do some research,and point out to us that,that smoking a joint will make me go crazy and homicidal,Mr Aslinger. |
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Jerry Garcia
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PROHIBITION - goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a mans appetite by legislation and makes a crime out ofthings that are not crimes. a prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.
-- Abraham Lincoln --
December, 1840
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Penance
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| sharpend43 wrote: | sharpend43:
I have seen the illicit profits that marijuana, yes marijuana, generates and how the money is used. Trust me when I tell you it aint good. |
I want to have a home with electricity and running water and a car to drive to work and be able to pay my bills and afford college. i am absolutely the lowest of the low, scum of the earth. i should be locked away for eternity for being such a horrible person. |
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Brute4291
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Sharp, If marijuana were legal and you get shorted, go back to the store get a refund. Drug dealers dont have the same rules as stores. If you need the money there is not much you can do if you get shorted on a deal. |
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Bongzilla
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No kidding, the particular neck of the woods here has what many would consider a peculiar view on justified homicide. My hometown (where I grew up) has a sign bragging that old time radio star Walter Winchell made the claim that my community was well known for accepting murder more than the average county. Even going so far as to say if there's anyplace to kill someone. But it's gotta be under justifiable conditions. The postman who shot his boss was sent up the river. But there are also a lot of unexplained disappearances. The attitude is an armed society is a polite society. Gotta love it when some dumbass tries robbing a store around here and discovers that he is outgunned with 2 customers in the joint.
Besides that there are also studies which have proven the majority of gang violence has escalated from petty differences, more often than not a petty slight than a deal gone wrong. Peer pressure of the local culture more often than not will determine what will happen.
Some dude comes around ripping folks off he will soon find that no-one will even speak to the bastard, same thing with snitches. If you burn folks you will run out of friends fast, life will get real lonely. No violence, that's reserved for when drastic measures are required. |
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